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High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic
Abstract. Arctic regions are under immense pressure from a continuously warming climate. Understanding the physical mechanisms and processes that determine soil liquid moisture availability contributes to the way we conceptualize and understand the development and functioning of terrestrial Arctic ecosystems. However, harsh weather and logistical constraints limit opportunities to directly observe subsurface processes year-round, hence automated and uninterrupted strategies of monitoring soil physicochemical properties are essential. Geoelectrical monitoring using electrical resistivity tomography (ERT) has proven to be an effective method to capture soil moisture distribution in time and space. ERT instrumentation has been adapted for year-round operation in high- latitude weather conditions. We installed two geoelectrical monitoring stations on the forefield of a retreating glacier on Svalbard, consisting of semi-permanent surface ERT arrays and co-located soil sensors, which track seasonal changes in 3D of soil electrical resistivity, moisture and temperature. One of the stations observes recently exposed sediments (5–10 years since deglaciation), whilst the other covers more established sediments (50 years since deglaciation). We obtained a one-year continuous measurement record (Oct 2021–Sep 2022), which produced 4D images of soil freeze-thaw transitions with unprecedented detail, allowing us to calculate the velocity of the thawing front in 3D. At its peak, this was found to be 1 m/day for the older sediments and 0.4 m/day for the younger sediments. Records of soil moisture and thermal regime obtained by sensors help define the conditions under which snowmelt takes place. Our data reveal that the freeze-thaw shoulder period, during which the surface soils experienced the zero-curtain effect, lasted 23 days at the site closer to the glacier, but only 6 days for the older sediments. Furthermore, we used unsupervised clustering to classify areas of the soil volume according to their electrical resistivity coefficient of variance, which enables us to understand spatial variations in susceptibility to water phase transition. Novel insights about soil moisture dynamics throughout the spring melt will help parameterize models of biological activity to build a more predictive understanding of newly emerging terrestrial landscapes and their impact on carbon and nutrient cycling.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-350', Anonymous Referee #1, 02 Mar 2024
This is a review of “High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic” by Cimpoiasu and others. This is an interesting manuscript describing 4D ert measurement at two comparative permafrost sites near a glacier on Svalbard. In general, the writing is clear, though there is room for improvement of organization in some places. The graphics are generally well suited to illustrate the points in the text, though in many cases the text is quite small and a lot of blank space is present between the images. English usage is good. I am very positive about the overall measurement scheme used in this manuscript including 4D ert, many point sensors, met data, and then analysis including statistical clustering – it’s really “one stop shopping” for how this type of observation can be made. I look forward to this manuscript being published after appropriate revision so that I may cite it in my own work. Please see general and specific line comments provided below.
General comments:
- Figures have a lot of text/numbers/features that are too small to read clearly.
- There is no science question or hypothesis stated or tested and therefore it is difficult to evaluate how this work advances knowledge of permafrost hydro(bio)logic systems
- It’s unclear why so many references to biological activity are made in the intro and discussion, when there do not appear to be any observations of biological parameters made during the experiment.
- The discussion section contains quite a bit of test that could be relocated to the results section, and there is a considerable need for better referencing.
- The conclusion is almost exclusively summary text and does not provide substantial concluding remarks.
Line 67: younger/older: does this refer to more recently exposed sediments and sediments exposed longer ago?
Figure 1: some of the text on the map is too small to read even when zoomed in on the PDF
Line 115-124: It would be helpful to specifically state the science question and hypothesis in this paragraph.
Line 141: How were these Teros11 sensors calibrated for VWC and what temperature range is the calibration valid for?
Line 160: measurement frequency?
Line 191-193: Please clarify – you assume that the onset of thaw is defined by a “steep” drop in resistivity, which implies a rate of change, however you then go on to use a threshold which does not contain any information about rate. Also, where do the 1000 and 3000 ohmm vales come from?
Line 225-235 (including Figure 2): The terminology used here is not standard. I have not encountered the term “apparent resistance” before - is this 1) contact resistance (ohm), 2) transfer resistance (ohm), or 3) apparent resistivity (ohm m)? Also, shouldn’t units on contact resistance by kOhm rather than kW?
Line 312/Figure 9: I suggest to organize this figure similar to Figure 3 with one column for each site and increasing with time downwards. Also, perhaps consider selecting a time period for site 1 where the advance of the thawing front is more evident – the reader does not get much useful information about site 1 spatial/temporal dynamics from this figure. Also, most of the numbers on this figure are too small to read, even when I zoom in on the PDF. There is a lot of unnecessary white space on this figure that could be removed so that the graphics of interest are more readable.
Figure 10: Would it be possible to plot X versus Y with the time encoded as color? Or perhaps X or Y versus Z with the time encoded as color? I like concept of this analysis, however it seems like the way it is presented in this figure is not particularly intuitive for the reader to understand. Even after reviewing the explanation in the Methods section, the concept of “Cell center” in b1 is hard to understand given the plot provided.
Figure 12, b1/b2: Resistivity is not a physically linear parameter; it should only be represented in log space. For example, it is non-physical to have a negative resistivity or resistivity of zero. The inset on b1 is too small to read anything.
Line 375 – 384: The referencing in this paragraph is insufficient. Please attempt to make comparisons or synthesis related to prior published research. The two references at the end are cursory, and the text should be elaborated on to make an explicit connection between the analysis in earlier in the paragraph and the idea of elevated liquid water level discussed in Brooks and Schmidt.
Line 399/400: Please support this statement with a reference.
Line 402/403: Please support this statement with a reference.
Line 411: “similar” please provide a quantitative comparison
Line 415: “Fig. 1” Figure number appears to be wrong.
Line 417-420: Could this also be attributed to differences in substrate properties? A deeper analysis and comparison of the archies curves and fit parameters may be useful here to support an argument that inherent characteristics of the formation drive differences in average resistivity values rather than just dynamic variables.
Line 421-425: Nice job supporting this argument with a literature reference, but is there any evidence measured at the site that would also support this? Did you see any massive ice? What is the typical size of ‘boulders’ at the site – have you seen ones large enough to explain the regions in the ERT model that do not change?
Line 425-428: Please calculate the sensitivity of voxels throughout the model domain. For example, Oldenburg and Li 1999 have a pretty general method that should work for this. It would not be necessary to plot the DOI/sensitivity for every pixel on every figure, however it would be useful for the reader to have a quantitative reference that illustrates where the model can be trusted.
Douglas W. Oldenburg, Yaoguo Li; Estimating depth of investigation in DC resistivity and IP surveys. Geophysics 1999;; 64 (2): 403–416. doi: https://doi.org/10.1190/1.1444545
Line 429-433: This can be moved to the results section. Absent any attempt to draw comparisons with the published literature, this could be considered “interpretation” and may be located with other description of time-lapse results.
Line 431-433: This is a potentially interesting idea that could be explored as a discussion point if elaborated on and supported by references to the published literature.
Line 434 – 443: This can be moved to the results section. Absent any attempt to draw comparisons with the published literature, this could be considered “interpretation” and may be located with other description of Archies results.
Line 445 – 477: This is OK, but more referencing is needed and a better effort is needed to relate these observations to published literature and produce synthesis. As it is, this entire section has only a single reference mentioned.
Line 479-509: This is OK, but more referencing is needed and a better effort is needed to relate these observations to published literature and produce synthesis. As it is, this entire section has only a single reference mentioned.
Line 511 – 537: This section is currently mostly ‘summary’ rather than ‘conclusions.’ I suggest rethinking the content of this section and focusing it on only conclusions.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
Reviewer 1.
This is a review of “High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic” by Cimpoiasu and others. This is an interesting manuscript describing 4D ert measurement at two comparative permafrost sites near a glacier on Svalbard. In general, the writing is clear, though there is room for improvement of organization in some places. The graphics are generally well suited to illustrate the points in the text, though in many cases the text is quite small and a lot of blank space is present between the images. English usage is good. I am very positive about the overall measurement scheme used in this manuscript including 4D ert, many point sensors, met data, and then analysis including statistical clustering – it’s really “one stop shopping” for how this type of observation can be made. I look forward to this manuscript being published after appropriate revision so that I may cite it in my own work. Please see general and specific line comments provided below.
General comments
- Figures have a lot of text/numbers/features that are too small to read clearly.
R: We have now improved the figures following the reviewer’s suggestions.
- There is no science question or hypothesis stated or tested and therefore it is difficult to evaluate how this work advances knowledge of permafrost hydro(bio)logic systems
R: We have made changes to our introduction. The scientific aim is to provide a better understanding of moisture availability year-round in young Arctic sediments. Moisture availability is crucial for microbial activity and the development of these sediments. We have also strengthened the way we explain the need for near surface geophysics to achieve such aim and provided a brief overview of other methods of long-term monitoring.
- It’s unclear why so many references to biological activity are made in the intro and discussion, when there do not appear to be any observations of biological parameters made during the experiment.
R: Biological activity is an essential driver of the evolution and fate of deglaciating Arctic soils. Soil biological activity is constrained by liquid water availability – a property that we can uninterruptedly measure in situ. In our revised manuscript we have included more background context on the role and importance of biological activity, without deviating too much from the focus of our manuscript which is on the geophysical properties of the soil.
- The discussion section contains quite a bit of test that could be relocated to the results section, and there is a considerable need for better referencing.
R: Paragraphs indicated have now been relocated to the results section. We have also added references to relevant paragraphs.
- The conclusion is almost exclusively summary text and does not provide substantial concluding remarks.
R: We have now redrafted the conclusion in order to capture important remarks.
Specific comments
Line 67: younger/older: does this refer to more recently exposed sediments and sediments exposed longer ago?
R: Yes. Now rephrased for clarity.
Figure 1: some of the text on the map is too small to read even when zoomed in on the PDF
R: Figure has now been amended. The main change was including a different map type.
Line 115-124: It would be helpful to specifically state the science question and hypothesis in this paragraph.
R: We have now formulated a clearer aim, namely determining “how much, where and when can we detect liquid moisture (in recently deglaciated sediments) alongside the factors contributing to liquid moisture availability”.
Line 141: How were these Teros11 sensors calibrated for VWC and what temperature range is the calibration valid for?
R: Details about the calibration are now mentioned in text. Calibration is valid for -40C to +60C.
Line 160: measurement frequency?
R: 25 Hz, information now available in text.
Line 191-193: Please clarify – you assume that the onset of thaw is defined by a “steep” drop in resistivity, which implies a rate of change, however you then go on to use a threshold which does not contain any information about rate. Also, where do the 1000 and 3000 ohmm vales come from?
R: Threshold values are supposed to mark the point before the drop. This text has been rephrased for clarity: “This allowed us to select a threshold electrical resistivity value, which marks the point before the drop, of 1,000 Ωm for Site 1 and 5,000 Ωm for Site 2. It is worth noting that because these threshold values were established empirically, if the sediment water saturation were to change a different threshold electrical resistivity value would be selected.”
Line 225-235 (including Figure 2): The terminology used here is not standard. I have not encountered the term “apparent resistance” before - is this 1) contact resistance (ohm), 2) transfer resistance (ohm), or 3) apparent resistivity (ohm m)? Also, shouldn’t units on contact resistance by kOhm rather than kW?
R: Now corrected to transfer resistance with the right units.
Line 312/Figure 9: I suggest to organize this figure similar to Figure 3 with one column for each site and increasing with time downwards. Also, perhaps consider selecting a time period for site 1 where the advance of the thawing front is more evident – the reader does not get much useful information about site 1 spatial/temporal dynamics from this figure. Also, most of the numbers on this figure are too small to read, even when I zoom in on the PDF. There is a lot of unnecessary white space on this figure that could be removed so that the graphics of interest are more readable.
R: The reviewer suggestions were taken on board and now we believe the figure is more readable. However, we believe the timesteps chosen should not be changed. Firstly, if we were to change the dates on Site1 it would inhibit a direct comparison with Site2. Secondly, Site1 simply does not change in the same way as Site2 does, and we wish this to be reflected in the plots.
Figure 10: Would it be possible to plot X versus Y with the time encoded as color? Or perhaps X or Y versus Z with the time encoded as color? I like concept of this analysis, however it seems like the way it is presented in this figure is not particularly intuitive for the reader to understand. Even after reviewing the explanation in the Methods section, the concept of “Cell center” in b1 is hard to understand given the plot provided.
R: We agree with the reviewer, their suggestion will improve the way the reader understands the analysis. We have now plotted X vs Y and Y vs Z and added corresponding explanations in text.
Figure 12, b1/b2: Resistivity is not a physically linear parameter; it should only be represented in log space. For example, it is non-physical to have a negative resistivity or resistivity of zero. The inset on b1 is too small to read anything.
R: The figure has now been improved after the reviewer’s suggestions. The inset has been removed altogether.
On the issue of insufficient referencing in various locations.
R: We have now added further text and references throughout our discussion.
Line 411: “similar” please provide a quantitative comparison
R: A quantitative comparison has now been added.
Line 415: “Fig. 1” Figure number appears to be wrong.
R: Now corrected.
Line 417-420: Could this also be attributed to differences in substrate properties? A deeper analysis and comparison of the archies curves and fit parameters may be useful here to support an argument that inherent characteristics of the formation drive differences in average resistivity values rather than just dynamic variables.
R: We agree with the reviewer and have added this point to the text.
Line 421-425: Nice job supporting this argument with a literature reference, but is there any evidence measured at the site that would also support this? Did you see any massive ice? What is the typical size of ‘boulders’ at the site – have you seen ones large enough to explain the regions in the ERT model that do not change?
R: Yes, boulders can often be found at sites on the surface, with a similar size to what we see. There are photographs of the sites throughout the manuscript that attest this, but the size and location of the boulders, unfortunately, is information that was not quantified. This statement is now included in text.
Line 425-428: Please calculate the sensitivity of voxels throughout the model domain. For example, Oldenburg and Li 1999 have a pretty general method that should work for this. It would not be necessary to plot the DOI/sensitivity for every pixel on every figure, however it would be useful for the reader to have a quantitative reference that illustrates where the model can be trusted.
Douglas W. Oldenburg, Yaoguo Li; Estimating depth of investigation in DC resistivity and IP surveys. Geophysics 1999;; 64 (2): 403–416. doi: https://doi.org/10.1190/1.1444545
R: Sensitivity has now been calculated and plotted as a section of Figure 2.
Line 429-433: This can be moved to the results section. Absent any attempt to draw comparisons with the published literature, this could be considered “interpretation” and may be located with other description of time-lapse results.
R: Moved to the results section.
Line 434 – 443: This can be moved to the results section. Absent any attempt to draw comparisons with the published literature, this could be considered “interpretation” and may be located with other description of Archies results.
R: Moved to the results section.
Line 511 – 537: This section is currently mostly ‘summary’ rather than ‘conclusions.’ I suggest rethinking the content of this section and focusing it on only conclusions.
R: We have now redrafted the conclusions section.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-AC1
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-350', Anonymous Referee #2, 02 Apr 2024
This is a review of “High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic” by Cimpoiasu and others. The paper is very well written, and the authors have carried out extensive research trying to decipher freeze-thaw movement. However, I would recommend major revisions. For example, the paper is a case study, but it is written like a report. A report that gives the facts but not too much explanation of why important decisions were made. An issue for example is why specific parameters were utilized. In the Archie’s law in 2.4 of the methods, there is no description for the reasoning of the chosen resistivity values. This reasoning needs to be included. I would recommend providing a deeper explanation of both the described values, and a deeper description of all of the figures (more detailed captions). For your case study, the figures need to guide the reader more accurately to what you are trying to convey. I would also perhaps remove some figures such as figure 9 because it is referenced very little and the reasoning for the chosen threshold values is not described well. Furthermore, there are times where it appears that an assumption has been made, as there is no reference to connect to the idea. Certain statements, while understandable, can be made stronger with the inclusion of a reference (e.g., line 402).
General comments:
1- The introduction and methods need improvement. There are multiple phases of methodology that have not been previously explained in the introduction. I suggest that the authors add some literature review to the introduction trying to delineate some of their methods and theory behind the study. Concepts such as inversion, clustering (The k-means clustering needs to be better explained for readers who are unfamiliar with the method), etc. must be introduced first.
Line 187-188: Why choose these values for Archie’s law?
Line 193: Why did you choose these threshold values?2- Figures need to be revised throughout the manuscript. Figure captions need to have more explanation and annotation (especially on ERT profiles). Figure 1 should have a better visualization of the ERT electrodes and the ERT frame does not have units. Figure 2 can be placed on 1 singular figure instead of 2. Figure 3 is very small, and the axis do not have a unit. Please separate the study areas to give yourself space to enlarge the figures. Also delineate some zones and give them numbers to discuss in the text. Figure 9 needs a more extensive and elaborative caption. And the color bar does not match the image as some colors are masked on the figure.
Figure 3: Why does site 2 have less resistivity change, but according to the site descriptions the soil has higher hydraulic conductivity?
Figure 5: Explanation of this figure is needed. What is the orange line on the Air temperature figure.
Figure 8: Why did you decide to use these threshold values?
Figure 9: Do you need this figure?
Figure 10: The legend. What are “Site 1(1), Site 2 (1)” etc.3- The discussion section is comprised of many repetitions (from results mostly). I recommend that the authors review this section and attempt to focus more on the reasoning behind the differences between two study sites and try to discuss the causes of variations of ERT values. Another suggestion would be to combine the discussion and result sections and have one result and discussion section to help avoid repetitions. The latter suggestion is at the discretion of the authors.
Overall, the study is interesting. Congratulations on the good work. Please revise your manuscript in a way that carries more learning potential for the readers rather than reporting your results. Describe the methodologies and interpretation techniques more elaboratively and introduce your terminologies in the introduction and summarize your discussion section.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
Reviewer 2.
This is a review of “High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic” by Cimpoiasu and others. The paper is very well written, and the authors have carried out extensive research trying to decipher freeze-thaw movement. However, I would recommend major revisions. For example, the paper is a case study, but it is written like a report. A report that gives the facts but not too much explanation of why important decisions were made. An issue for example is why specific parameters were utilized. In the Archie’s law in 2.4 of the methods, there is no description for the reasoning of the chosen resistivity values. This reasoning needs to be included. I would recommend providing a deeper explanation of both the described values, and a deeper description of all of the figures (more detailed captions). For your case study, the figures need to guide the reader more accurately to what you are trying to convey. I would also perhaps remove some figures such as figure 9 because it is referenced very little and the reasoning for the chosen threshold values is not described well. Furthermore, there are times where it appears that an assumption has been made, as there is no reference to connect to the idea. Certain statements, while understandable, can be made stronger with the inclusion of a reference (e.g., line 402).
General comments:
1The introduction and methods need improvement. There are multiple phases of methodology that have not been previously explained in the introduction. I suggest that the authors add some literature review to the introduction trying to delineate some of their methods and theory behind the study. Concepts such as inversion, clustering (The k-means clustering needs to be better explained for readers who are unfamiliar with the method), etc. must be introduced first.
R: We have made improvements to our introduction in the attempt to make our aims clearer to the reader. However, we think that notions and strategies regarding data analysis belong to the methods section.
Line 187-188: Why choose these values for Archie’s law?R: All the parameters were assigned for specific reasons: Porosity was derived in the laboratory; According to Kwon et al. (2015) that have sampled the forefield at various locations and calculated the sample electrical conductivity, we assumed the pore fluid resistivity to be quite high, 100 Ωm. The other parameters a, n and m are the result of the fit of the Archie curve and our data, they are not chosen per-se. This further justification was added in text.
Line 193: Why did you choose these threshold values?R: We rephrased the text slightly for clarity. These values were chosen to represent the last recorded values of electrical resistivity before a steep drop in our average electrical resistivity data series, which marks the onset of melt.
2Figures need to be revised throughout the manuscript. Figure captions need to have more explanation and annotation (especially on ERT profiles). Figure 1 should have a better visualization of the ERT electrodes and the ERT frame does not have units. Figure 2 can be placed on 1 singular figure instead of 2. Figure 3 is very small, and the axis do not have a unit. Please separate the study areas to give yourself space to enlarge the figures. Also delineate some zones and give them numbers to discuss in the text. Figure 9 needs a more extensive and elaborative caption. And the color bar does not match the image as some colors are masked on the figure.
R: Figure 1 has been amended; units specified in caption. For figure 2, we would rather keep the average resistivity distribution in two separate subplots, for better readability. If the editor disagrees, we are happy to change it. Even though we didn’t separate the study areas because we think there is remit in showing them side by side, we believe we improved the presentation of Figure 3 significantly, by making the ERT volumes and axis bigger and easier to read. Caption was also amended, and regions of interest highlighted on the figure. Figure 9 and its caption have been amended accordingly.
Figure 3: Why does site 2 have less resistivity change, but according to the site descriptions the soil has higher hydraulic conductivity?R: We are not sure if indeed it has less resistivity change. According to our methodology it has a higher CV overall (Coefficient of Variance). The reviewer suggests a good discussion point which we have included now.
Figure 5: Explanation of this figure is needed. What is the orange line on the Air temperature figure.R: We think the reviewer refers to the 5th panel of the figure (1st column 3rd row). The blue bars represent precipitation, and the red line represents air temperature. Caption was amended to reflect this more clearly.
Figure 8: Why did you decide to use these threshold values?R: We have responded to this query above.
Figure 9: Do you need this figure?R: Yes, a visual representation of the thawing front is probably one of the most novel parts of this manuscript.
Figure 10: The legend. What are “Site 1(1), Site 2 (1)” etc.R: We have divided the ERT volume in 3 layers of equal thickness: layer1 (l1) layer 2 (l2) and layer (l3), in order to look at distribution of electrical resistivity values with depth. The caption was amended slightly to reflect this reference more clearly.
3The discussion section is comprised of many repetitions (from results mostly). I recommend that the authors review this section and attempt to focus more on the reasoning behind the differences between two study sites and try to discuss the causes of variations of ERT values. Another suggestion would be to combine the discussion and result sections and have one result and discussion section to help avoid repetitions. The latter suggestion is at the discretion of the authors.
R: We have streamlined and relocated parts of the discussion to the results section in order to increase the focus on reasoning.
Overall, the study is interesting. Congratulations on the good work. Please revise your manuscript in a way that carries more learning potential for the readers rather than reporting your results. Describe the methodologies and interpretation techniques more elaboratively and introduce your terminologies in the introduction and summarize your discussion section.
R: We thank the reviewer for their encouraging comments. We hope we have revised accordingly.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-350', Anonymous Referee #3, 08 Apr 2024
General comments
I read the manuscript submitted for review entitled "High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic" with attention and interest. The authors used an advanced and, at the same time, sufficiently reliable system for automatic ERT measurements of the ground, enabling repeatable 3D imaging of the two tested sites. Knowing the Arctic realities, this was quite a challenge.
While conducting a literature review for this evaluation, I found an article published in March 2024 by the same authors, “Characterization of a Deglaciated Sediment Chronosequence in the High Arctic Using Near-Surface Geoelectrical Monitoring Methods” (Cimpoiasu et al., 2024). The text contains the research results conducted in the same area, partly in the same sites and dealing with the same problem to some extent. Although it is not an identical material, the submitted manuscript loses some originality. However, I understand the authors' situation. The journal "Parmafrost and Periglacial Processes", in which the article mentioned above was published, restricts the volume of the text and makes it impossible to present all the data collected during the research. So, I guess that the manuscript submitted for review was intended to be an extension of the methodological part of the earlier paper, with more conclusions arising from the ERT method used.
However, I must note that the authors did not formulate the aim of their work. There are two main themes: (i) imaging the thawing and freezing of glacial sediments at two different sites and (ii) examining the thawing front depending on external conditions, including snow cover and the presence of liquid water on the terrain surface. I consider defining the purpose of the study to be crucial in improving the manuscript.
Due to the methods used, observations, and results presented, I consider the topics of gas emissions and biological succession discussed in the text to be unnecessary and disturbing the manuscript structure. However, the introduction lacks a review of the latest research on monitoring the temperature of near-surface ground layers (e.g., Christiansen et al., 2019; Strand et al., 2020; Kasprzak and Szymanowski, 2023; Tyystjärvi et al., 2024; and others) and references to them in the discussion. The description of the methodology also does not convince how original and necessary ERT 3D monitoring is. The choice of research sites is also poorly motivated. The time since the deglaciation of the area is not the only factor that determines the characteristics of glacial till. The differences between the sites result from the sediments' textual and structural features, which the authors write about later in the work.
The authors do not mention the occurrence of permafrost in the marginal zone of Midtre Lovénbreen (Glacier) at Kongsfjord. Considering the relatively quick formation of permafrost (Rotem et al., 2023), it can be assumed that it may occur at least in one of the studied sites. From my point of view, the planned installation should be used to image the entire thickness of the active layer (whether on permafrost or in meaning seasonally frozen ground), although probably at the expense of model resolution. Please discuss this matter.
I do not doubt that the research is a further step in understanding the characteristics of seasonally frozen ground. I appreciate the effort put into obtaining the data and processing it.
Specific comments
Page 2, lines 81–86: I doubt whether the landscape can be covered with glacial till; it is probably about the terrain's surface. There are too many inaccuracies and generalisations in all these sentences that are difficult to verify. “…Deeper ground layers undergo successional changes more slowly than surface layers… “ - What changes? The soil-forming process? This is probably too trivial to write about.
Page 2, lines 88–94: I am afraid this information does not apply to glacial sediments examined in the presented manuscript but to thicker sediments and mainly soils covered with tundra or even peat bogs. The information provided also applies to permafrost, which, as I understand it, was not found in the studied sites (?). There is some inconsistency here.
Page 2, lines 109–111: It would be good to tell the reader when the first continuous ERT monitoring systems appeared (used by whom). In the literature review, it is good to notice some groundbreaking research, e.g. the first applications of ERT in the study of permafrost or glacial sediments, the first measurements with high resolution (small electrode spacing), etc.
Page 3, lines 133–135: For studies designed in this way, information on the sediments at both sites should be more detailed and supported by laboratory tests. However, this is a non-binding note. More information is provided in the paper published in the PPP journal.
Page 5, lines 226: How exactly were the resistivity limit values established for the ground subject to thawing/freezing? Was it a chart analysis (graphical method)? What I miss in the further discussion part is the consideration of how these values may change for the same site with different water saturation (?), which is theoretically possible.
Page 6, lines 237–238: The study does not show the results of the sediment test. Therefore, it cannot be assumed that ground ice was formed in the ground profile; maybe it was only the effect of lowering the temperature (?).
Page 7, line 255: "Soil thawing occurs at each site when soil temperature rises above 0°C”. Please change this sentence because it represents a truism.
Page 11, Figure 9: This is the most interesting figure in the manuscript. Has it been stated which ground factor is responsible for the uneven thawing front, especially at site 1? Please rearrange the figure so that the block diagrams for each site are next to each other, e.g., site 1 on the left and site 2 on the right.
Page 13, lines 376–377: Please correct this inaccuracy in the text. I guess it's about analysing the effects, not the conditions (?).
Page 14, lines 409–411: "According to Elberling and Brandt (2003), microbial activity may continue in unfrozen soils whilst the diffusion and advection…” – I do not understand this sudden change of topic, and I consider this sentence unnecessary.
Page 16, lines 530–537: I suggest that this fragment of the conclusion be either deleted entirely or rewritten. In its current form, it contains oversimplifications and numerous logical errors. It also directly refers to issues that have not been the subject of research (soil biological activity, carbon cycle in the environment).
Technical corrections
The manuscript must be checked for technical correctness (citations, etc.). I do not see any significant errors, but they may be pointed out during editorial work.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-RC3 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
Reviewer 3.
General comments
I read the manuscript submitted for review entitled "High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic" with attention and interest. The authors used an advanced and, at the same time, sufficiently reliable system for automatic ERT measurements of the ground, enabling repeatable 3D imaging of the two tested sites. Knowing the Arctic realities, this was quite a challenge.
While conducting a literature review for this evaluation, I found an article published in March 2024 by the same authors, “Characterization of a Deglaciated Sediment Chronosequence in the High Arctic Using Near-Surface Geoelectrical Monitoring Methods” (Cimpoiasu et al., 2024). The text contains the research results conducted in the same area, partly in the same sites and dealing with the same problem to some extent. Although it is not an identical material, the submitted manuscript loses some originality. However, I understand the authors' situation. The journal "Parmafrost and Periglacial Processes", in which the article mentioned above was published, restricts the volume of the text and makes it impossible to present all the data collected during the research. So, I guess that the manuscript submitted for review was intended to be an extension of the methodological part of the earlier paper, with more conclusions arising from the ERT method used.
However, I must note that the authors did not formulate the aim of their work. There are two main themes: (i) imaging the thawing and freezing of glacial sediments at two different sites and (ii) examining the thawing front depending on external conditions, including snow cover and the presence of liquid water on the terrain surface. I consider defining the purpose of the study to be crucial in improving the manuscript.
Due to the methods used, observations, and results presented, I consider the topics of gas emissions and biological succession discussed in the text to be unnecessary and disturbing the manuscript structure. However, the introduction lacks a review of the latest research on monitoring the temperature of near-surface ground layers (e.g., Christiansen et al., 2019; Strand et al., 2020; Kasprzak and Szymanowski, 2023; Tyystjärvi et al., 2024; and others) and references to them in the discussion. The description of the methodology also does not convince how original and necessary ERT 3D monitoring is. The choice of research sites is also poorly motivated. The time since the deglaciation of the area is not the only factor that determines the characteristics of glacial till. The differences between the sites result from the sediments' textual and structural features, which the authors write about later in the work.
The authors do not mention the occurrence of permafrost in the marginal zone of Midtre Lovénbreen (Glacier) at Kongsfjord. Considering the relatively quick formation of permafrost (Rotem et al., 2023), it can be assumed that it may occur at least in one of the studied sites. From my point of view, the planned installation should be used to image the entire thickness of the active layer (whether on permafrost or in meaning seasonally frozen ground), although probably at the expense of model resolution. Please discuss this matter.
I do not doubt that the research is a further step in understanding the characteristics of seasonally frozen ground. I appreciate the effort put into obtaining the data and processing it.
R: The article submitted to TC has a different aim and scope to the one published in PPP earlier this year. The PPP paper is a characterization of the sites and the thermal and hydrological changes over a short summer interval (2 months). The TC paper provides a more in-depth analysis of a longer-term record of ERT data (an entire year vs 2 months). Specifically, a continuous year-long dataset allows us to focuses on the capability to monitor soil water availability across seasons, with a special focus to the spring freeze-thaw transition – which is much more lacking in the literature and for which we have much less data and knowledge.
Following the reviewer’s suggestion we have now supplemented the introduction with a paragraph about monitoring the temperature of near surface layers using the references suggested. Also, we have strengthened the necessity and novelty of 3D ERT by emphasizing its advantages over the use of point sensors.
We have now included a paragraph in the discussion which refers to permafrost. However, imaging the active layer did not fall within the scope of this study. As is, the electrodes are not placed sufficiently far apart to allow the PRIME system to image the interface between the active layer and permafrost.
Specific comments
Page 2, lines 81–86: I doubt whether the landscape can be covered with glacial till; it is probably about the terrain's surface. There are too many inaccuracies and generalisations in all these sentences that are difficult to verify. “…Deeper ground layers undergo successional changes more slowly than surface layers… “ - What changes? The soil-forming process? This is probably too trivial to write about.
R: The sentence regarding glacial till has been removed. Succession is the process by which natural communities replace (or success) one another over time. The other sentence is rephrased to “with deeper layers of the soil likely to be carbon-limited due to a lack of photosynthetically derived organic carbon (Freeman et al., 2009), and undergoing successional and corresponding physicochemical changes more slowly than surface layers”.
Page 2, lines 88–94: I am afraid this information does not apply to glacial sediments examined in the presented manuscript but to thicker sediments and mainly soils covered with tundra or even peat bogs. The information provided also applies to permafrost, which, as I understand it, was not found in the studied sites (?). There is some inconsistency here.
R: The sentence referring to thawing of permafrost and destabilisation has been removed to avoid the inconsistency reported.
Page 2, lines 109–111: It would be good to tell the reader when the first continuous ERT monitoring systems appeared (used by whom). In the literature review, it is good to notice some groundbreaking research, e.g. the first applications of ERT in the study of permafrost or glacial sediments, the first measurements with high resolution (small electrode spacing), etc.
R: Following the reviewers’ suggestion, relevant references were added to the introduction.
Page 3, lines 133–135: For studies designed in this way, information on the sediments at both sites should be more detailed and supported by laboratory tests. However, this is a non-binding note. More information is provided in the paper published in the PPP journal.
R: As the reviewer pointed out, we have published physicochemical information about the sediments in a different paper which we referenced to in this manuscript.
Page 5, lines 226: How exactly were the resistivity limit values established for the ground subject to thawing/freezing? Was it a chart analysis (graphical method)? What I miss in the further discussion part is the consideration of how these values may change for the same site with different water saturation (?), which is theoretically possible.
R: We rephrased the text slightly for clarity. These values were chosen to represent the last recorded values of electrical resistivity before a steep drop in our average electrical resistivity data series, which marks the onset of melt. This value would change from season to season if the water saturation were different. We have added this point to the discussion.
Page 6, lines 237–238: The study does not show the results of the sediment test. Therefore, it cannot be assumed that ground ice was formed in the ground profile; maybe it was only the effect of lowering the temperature (?).
R: We agree with the reviewer the sentence was speculative, it has now been rephrased: “A low soil temperature during winter determines strong positive changes in electrical resistivity”.
Page 7, line 255: "Soil thawing occurs at each site when soil temperature rises above 0°C”. Please change this sentence because it represents a truism.
R: Sentence was rephrased. “When the recorded soil temperature rises above 0 °C we observe a steep increase in VWC values as more liquid water becomes available”.
Page 11, Figure 9: This is the most interesting figure in the manuscript. Has it been stated which ground factor is responsible for the uneven thawing front, especially at site 1? Please rearrange the figure so that the block diagrams for each site are next to each other, e.g., site 1 on the left and site 2 on the right.
R: Figure 9 was now modified. We believe that the uneven thawing front at Site 1 might be due to the presence of boulders and uneroded rocks with a different thermal mass than the surrounding glacial diamiction. Information added in text.
Page 13, lines 376–377: Please correct this inaccuracy in the text. I guess it's about analysing the effects, not the conditions (?).
R: Sentence now amended.
Page 14, lines 409–411: "According to Elberling and Brandt (2003), microbial activity may continue in unfrozen soils whilst the diffusion and advection…” – I do not understand this sudden change of topic, and I consider this sentence unnecessary.
R: We agree, the sentence was removed.
Page 16, lines 530–537: I suggest that this fragment of the conclusion be either deleted entirely or rewritten. In its current form, it contains oversimplifications and numerous logical errors. It also directly refers to issues that have not been the subject of research (soil biological activity, carbon cycle in the environment).
R: The conclusions section was restructured and rewritten. Portions of the paragraph indicated were either removed or rephrased in order to reduce references to soil biological activity.
Technical corrections
The manuscript must be checked for technical correctness (citations, etc.). I do not see any significant errors, but they may be pointed out during editorial work.
R: We are pleased to see that the reviewer does not see any major technical errors. We shall amend them if any become apparent during a potential future editorial review.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-350', Anonymous Referee #1, 02 Mar 2024
This is a review of “High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic” by Cimpoiasu and others. This is an interesting manuscript describing 4D ert measurement at two comparative permafrost sites near a glacier on Svalbard. In general, the writing is clear, though there is room for improvement of organization in some places. The graphics are generally well suited to illustrate the points in the text, though in many cases the text is quite small and a lot of blank space is present between the images. English usage is good. I am very positive about the overall measurement scheme used in this manuscript including 4D ert, many point sensors, met data, and then analysis including statistical clustering – it’s really “one stop shopping” for how this type of observation can be made. I look forward to this manuscript being published after appropriate revision so that I may cite it in my own work. Please see general and specific line comments provided below.
General comments:
- Figures have a lot of text/numbers/features that are too small to read clearly.
- There is no science question or hypothesis stated or tested and therefore it is difficult to evaluate how this work advances knowledge of permafrost hydro(bio)logic systems
- It’s unclear why so many references to biological activity are made in the intro and discussion, when there do not appear to be any observations of biological parameters made during the experiment.
- The discussion section contains quite a bit of test that could be relocated to the results section, and there is a considerable need for better referencing.
- The conclusion is almost exclusively summary text and does not provide substantial concluding remarks.
Line 67: younger/older: does this refer to more recently exposed sediments and sediments exposed longer ago?
Figure 1: some of the text on the map is too small to read even when zoomed in on the PDF
Line 115-124: It would be helpful to specifically state the science question and hypothesis in this paragraph.
Line 141: How were these Teros11 sensors calibrated for VWC and what temperature range is the calibration valid for?
Line 160: measurement frequency?
Line 191-193: Please clarify – you assume that the onset of thaw is defined by a “steep” drop in resistivity, which implies a rate of change, however you then go on to use a threshold which does not contain any information about rate. Also, where do the 1000 and 3000 ohmm vales come from?
Line 225-235 (including Figure 2): The terminology used here is not standard. I have not encountered the term “apparent resistance” before - is this 1) contact resistance (ohm), 2) transfer resistance (ohm), or 3) apparent resistivity (ohm m)? Also, shouldn’t units on contact resistance by kOhm rather than kW?
Line 312/Figure 9: I suggest to organize this figure similar to Figure 3 with one column for each site and increasing with time downwards. Also, perhaps consider selecting a time period for site 1 where the advance of the thawing front is more evident – the reader does not get much useful information about site 1 spatial/temporal dynamics from this figure. Also, most of the numbers on this figure are too small to read, even when I zoom in on the PDF. There is a lot of unnecessary white space on this figure that could be removed so that the graphics of interest are more readable.
Figure 10: Would it be possible to plot X versus Y with the time encoded as color? Or perhaps X or Y versus Z with the time encoded as color? I like concept of this analysis, however it seems like the way it is presented in this figure is not particularly intuitive for the reader to understand. Even after reviewing the explanation in the Methods section, the concept of “Cell center” in b1 is hard to understand given the plot provided.
Figure 12, b1/b2: Resistivity is not a physically linear parameter; it should only be represented in log space. For example, it is non-physical to have a negative resistivity or resistivity of zero. The inset on b1 is too small to read anything.
Line 375 – 384: The referencing in this paragraph is insufficient. Please attempt to make comparisons or synthesis related to prior published research. The two references at the end are cursory, and the text should be elaborated on to make an explicit connection between the analysis in earlier in the paragraph and the idea of elevated liquid water level discussed in Brooks and Schmidt.
Line 399/400: Please support this statement with a reference.
Line 402/403: Please support this statement with a reference.
Line 411: “similar” please provide a quantitative comparison
Line 415: “Fig. 1” Figure number appears to be wrong.
Line 417-420: Could this also be attributed to differences in substrate properties? A deeper analysis and comparison of the archies curves and fit parameters may be useful here to support an argument that inherent characteristics of the formation drive differences in average resistivity values rather than just dynamic variables.
Line 421-425: Nice job supporting this argument with a literature reference, but is there any evidence measured at the site that would also support this? Did you see any massive ice? What is the typical size of ‘boulders’ at the site – have you seen ones large enough to explain the regions in the ERT model that do not change?
Line 425-428: Please calculate the sensitivity of voxels throughout the model domain. For example, Oldenburg and Li 1999 have a pretty general method that should work for this. It would not be necessary to plot the DOI/sensitivity for every pixel on every figure, however it would be useful for the reader to have a quantitative reference that illustrates where the model can be trusted.
Douglas W. Oldenburg, Yaoguo Li; Estimating depth of investigation in DC resistivity and IP surveys. Geophysics 1999;; 64 (2): 403–416. doi: https://doi.org/10.1190/1.1444545
Line 429-433: This can be moved to the results section. Absent any attempt to draw comparisons with the published literature, this could be considered “interpretation” and may be located with other description of time-lapse results.
Line 431-433: This is a potentially interesting idea that could be explored as a discussion point if elaborated on and supported by references to the published literature.
Line 434 – 443: This can be moved to the results section. Absent any attempt to draw comparisons with the published literature, this could be considered “interpretation” and may be located with other description of Archies results.
Line 445 – 477: This is OK, but more referencing is needed and a better effort is needed to relate these observations to published literature and produce synthesis. As it is, this entire section has only a single reference mentioned.
Line 479-509: This is OK, but more referencing is needed and a better effort is needed to relate these observations to published literature and produce synthesis. As it is, this entire section has only a single reference mentioned.
Line 511 – 537: This section is currently mostly ‘summary’ rather than ‘conclusions.’ I suggest rethinking the content of this section and focusing it on only conclusions.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
Reviewer 1.
This is a review of “High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic” by Cimpoiasu and others. This is an interesting manuscript describing 4D ert measurement at two comparative permafrost sites near a glacier on Svalbard. In general, the writing is clear, though there is room for improvement of organization in some places. The graphics are generally well suited to illustrate the points in the text, though in many cases the text is quite small and a lot of blank space is present between the images. English usage is good. I am very positive about the overall measurement scheme used in this manuscript including 4D ert, many point sensors, met data, and then analysis including statistical clustering – it’s really “one stop shopping” for how this type of observation can be made. I look forward to this manuscript being published after appropriate revision so that I may cite it in my own work. Please see general and specific line comments provided below.
General comments
- Figures have a lot of text/numbers/features that are too small to read clearly.
R: We have now improved the figures following the reviewer’s suggestions.
- There is no science question or hypothesis stated or tested and therefore it is difficult to evaluate how this work advances knowledge of permafrost hydro(bio)logic systems
R: We have made changes to our introduction. The scientific aim is to provide a better understanding of moisture availability year-round in young Arctic sediments. Moisture availability is crucial for microbial activity and the development of these sediments. We have also strengthened the way we explain the need for near surface geophysics to achieve such aim and provided a brief overview of other methods of long-term monitoring.
- It’s unclear why so many references to biological activity are made in the intro and discussion, when there do not appear to be any observations of biological parameters made during the experiment.
R: Biological activity is an essential driver of the evolution and fate of deglaciating Arctic soils. Soil biological activity is constrained by liquid water availability – a property that we can uninterruptedly measure in situ. In our revised manuscript we have included more background context on the role and importance of biological activity, without deviating too much from the focus of our manuscript which is on the geophysical properties of the soil.
- The discussion section contains quite a bit of test that could be relocated to the results section, and there is a considerable need for better referencing.
R: Paragraphs indicated have now been relocated to the results section. We have also added references to relevant paragraphs.
- The conclusion is almost exclusively summary text and does not provide substantial concluding remarks.
R: We have now redrafted the conclusion in order to capture important remarks.
Specific comments
Line 67: younger/older: does this refer to more recently exposed sediments and sediments exposed longer ago?
R: Yes. Now rephrased for clarity.
Figure 1: some of the text on the map is too small to read even when zoomed in on the PDF
R: Figure has now been amended. The main change was including a different map type.
Line 115-124: It would be helpful to specifically state the science question and hypothesis in this paragraph.
R: We have now formulated a clearer aim, namely determining “how much, where and when can we detect liquid moisture (in recently deglaciated sediments) alongside the factors contributing to liquid moisture availability”.
Line 141: How were these Teros11 sensors calibrated for VWC and what temperature range is the calibration valid for?
R: Details about the calibration are now mentioned in text. Calibration is valid for -40C to +60C.
Line 160: measurement frequency?
R: 25 Hz, information now available in text.
Line 191-193: Please clarify – you assume that the onset of thaw is defined by a “steep” drop in resistivity, which implies a rate of change, however you then go on to use a threshold which does not contain any information about rate. Also, where do the 1000 and 3000 ohmm vales come from?
R: Threshold values are supposed to mark the point before the drop. This text has been rephrased for clarity: “This allowed us to select a threshold electrical resistivity value, which marks the point before the drop, of 1,000 Ωm for Site 1 and 5,000 Ωm for Site 2. It is worth noting that because these threshold values were established empirically, if the sediment water saturation were to change a different threshold electrical resistivity value would be selected.”
Line 225-235 (including Figure 2): The terminology used here is not standard. I have not encountered the term “apparent resistance” before - is this 1) contact resistance (ohm), 2) transfer resistance (ohm), or 3) apparent resistivity (ohm m)? Also, shouldn’t units on contact resistance by kOhm rather than kW?
R: Now corrected to transfer resistance with the right units.
Line 312/Figure 9: I suggest to organize this figure similar to Figure 3 with one column for each site and increasing with time downwards. Also, perhaps consider selecting a time period for site 1 where the advance of the thawing front is more evident – the reader does not get much useful information about site 1 spatial/temporal dynamics from this figure. Also, most of the numbers on this figure are too small to read, even when I zoom in on the PDF. There is a lot of unnecessary white space on this figure that could be removed so that the graphics of interest are more readable.
R: The reviewer suggestions were taken on board and now we believe the figure is more readable. However, we believe the timesteps chosen should not be changed. Firstly, if we were to change the dates on Site1 it would inhibit a direct comparison with Site2. Secondly, Site1 simply does not change in the same way as Site2 does, and we wish this to be reflected in the plots.
Figure 10: Would it be possible to plot X versus Y with the time encoded as color? Or perhaps X or Y versus Z with the time encoded as color? I like concept of this analysis, however it seems like the way it is presented in this figure is not particularly intuitive for the reader to understand. Even after reviewing the explanation in the Methods section, the concept of “Cell center” in b1 is hard to understand given the plot provided.
R: We agree with the reviewer, their suggestion will improve the way the reader understands the analysis. We have now plotted X vs Y and Y vs Z and added corresponding explanations in text.
Figure 12, b1/b2: Resistivity is not a physically linear parameter; it should only be represented in log space. For example, it is non-physical to have a negative resistivity or resistivity of zero. The inset on b1 is too small to read anything.
R: The figure has now been improved after the reviewer’s suggestions. The inset has been removed altogether.
On the issue of insufficient referencing in various locations.
R: We have now added further text and references throughout our discussion.
Line 411: “similar” please provide a quantitative comparison
R: A quantitative comparison has now been added.
Line 415: “Fig. 1” Figure number appears to be wrong.
R: Now corrected.
Line 417-420: Could this also be attributed to differences in substrate properties? A deeper analysis and comparison of the archies curves and fit parameters may be useful here to support an argument that inherent characteristics of the formation drive differences in average resistivity values rather than just dynamic variables.
R: We agree with the reviewer and have added this point to the text.
Line 421-425: Nice job supporting this argument with a literature reference, but is there any evidence measured at the site that would also support this? Did you see any massive ice? What is the typical size of ‘boulders’ at the site – have you seen ones large enough to explain the regions in the ERT model that do not change?
R: Yes, boulders can often be found at sites on the surface, with a similar size to what we see. There are photographs of the sites throughout the manuscript that attest this, but the size and location of the boulders, unfortunately, is information that was not quantified. This statement is now included in text.
Line 425-428: Please calculate the sensitivity of voxels throughout the model domain. For example, Oldenburg and Li 1999 have a pretty general method that should work for this. It would not be necessary to plot the DOI/sensitivity for every pixel on every figure, however it would be useful for the reader to have a quantitative reference that illustrates where the model can be trusted.
Douglas W. Oldenburg, Yaoguo Li; Estimating depth of investigation in DC resistivity and IP surveys. Geophysics 1999;; 64 (2): 403–416. doi: https://doi.org/10.1190/1.1444545
R: Sensitivity has now been calculated and plotted as a section of Figure 2.
Line 429-433: This can be moved to the results section. Absent any attempt to draw comparisons with the published literature, this could be considered “interpretation” and may be located with other description of time-lapse results.
R: Moved to the results section.
Line 434 – 443: This can be moved to the results section. Absent any attempt to draw comparisons with the published literature, this could be considered “interpretation” and may be located with other description of Archies results.
R: Moved to the results section.
Line 511 – 537: This section is currently mostly ‘summary’ rather than ‘conclusions.’ I suggest rethinking the content of this section and focusing it on only conclusions.
R: We have now redrafted the conclusions section.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-AC1
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-350', Anonymous Referee #2, 02 Apr 2024
This is a review of “High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic” by Cimpoiasu and others. The paper is very well written, and the authors have carried out extensive research trying to decipher freeze-thaw movement. However, I would recommend major revisions. For example, the paper is a case study, but it is written like a report. A report that gives the facts but not too much explanation of why important decisions were made. An issue for example is why specific parameters were utilized. In the Archie’s law in 2.4 of the methods, there is no description for the reasoning of the chosen resistivity values. This reasoning needs to be included. I would recommend providing a deeper explanation of both the described values, and a deeper description of all of the figures (more detailed captions). For your case study, the figures need to guide the reader more accurately to what you are trying to convey. I would also perhaps remove some figures such as figure 9 because it is referenced very little and the reasoning for the chosen threshold values is not described well. Furthermore, there are times where it appears that an assumption has been made, as there is no reference to connect to the idea. Certain statements, while understandable, can be made stronger with the inclusion of a reference (e.g., line 402).
General comments:
1- The introduction and methods need improvement. There are multiple phases of methodology that have not been previously explained in the introduction. I suggest that the authors add some literature review to the introduction trying to delineate some of their methods and theory behind the study. Concepts such as inversion, clustering (The k-means clustering needs to be better explained for readers who are unfamiliar with the method), etc. must be introduced first.
Line 187-188: Why choose these values for Archie’s law?
Line 193: Why did you choose these threshold values?2- Figures need to be revised throughout the manuscript. Figure captions need to have more explanation and annotation (especially on ERT profiles). Figure 1 should have a better visualization of the ERT electrodes and the ERT frame does not have units. Figure 2 can be placed on 1 singular figure instead of 2. Figure 3 is very small, and the axis do not have a unit. Please separate the study areas to give yourself space to enlarge the figures. Also delineate some zones and give them numbers to discuss in the text. Figure 9 needs a more extensive and elaborative caption. And the color bar does not match the image as some colors are masked on the figure.
Figure 3: Why does site 2 have less resistivity change, but according to the site descriptions the soil has higher hydraulic conductivity?
Figure 5: Explanation of this figure is needed. What is the orange line on the Air temperature figure.
Figure 8: Why did you decide to use these threshold values?
Figure 9: Do you need this figure?
Figure 10: The legend. What are “Site 1(1), Site 2 (1)” etc.3- The discussion section is comprised of many repetitions (from results mostly). I recommend that the authors review this section and attempt to focus more on the reasoning behind the differences between two study sites and try to discuss the causes of variations of ERT values. Another suggestion would be to combine the discussion and result sections and have one result and discussion section to help avoid repetitions. The latter suggestion is at the discretion of the authors.
Overall, the study is interesting. Congratulations on the good work. Please revise your manuscript in a way that carries more learning potential for the readers rather than reporting your results. Describe the methodologies and interpretation techniques more elaboratively and introduce your terminologies in the introduction and summarize your discussion section.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
Reviewer 2.
This is a review of “High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic” by Cimpoiasu and others. The paper is very well written, and the authors have carried out extensive research trying to decipher freeze-thaw movement. However, I would recommend major revisions. For example, the paper is a case study, but it is written like a report. A report that gives the facts but not too much explanation of why important decisions were made. An issue for example is why specific parameters were utilized. In the Archie’s law in 2.4 of the methods, there is no description for the reasoning of the chosen resistivity values. This reasoning needs to be included. I would recommend providing a deeper explanation of both the described values, and a deeper description of all of the figures (more detailed captions). For your case study, the figures need to guide the reader more accurately to what you are trying to convey. I would also perhaps remove some figures such as figure 9 because it is referenced very little and the reasoning for the chosen threshold values is not described well. Furthermore, there are times where it appears that an assumption has been made, as there is no reference to connect to the idea. Certain statements, while understandable, can be made stronger with the inclusion of a reference (e.g., line 402).
General comments:
1The introduction and methods need improvement. There are multiple phases of methodology that have not been previously explained in the introduction. I suggest that the authors add some literature review to the introduction trying to delineate some of their methods and theory behind the study. Concepts such as inversion, clustering (The k-means clustering needs to be better explained for readers who are unfamiliar with the method), etc. must be introduced first.
R: We have made improvements to our introduction in the attempt to make our aims clearer to the reader. However, we think that notions and strategies regarding data analysis belong to the methods section.
Line 187-188: Why choose these values for Archie’s law?R: All the parameters were assigned for specific reasons: Porosity was derived in the laboratory; According to Kwon et al. (2015) that have sampled the forefield at various locations and calculated the sample electrical conductivity, we assumed the pore fluid resistivity to be quite high, 100 Ωm. The other parameters a, n and m are the result of the fit of the Archie curve and our data, they are not chosen per-se. This further justification was added in text.
Line 193: Why did you choose these threshold values?R: We rephrased the text slightly for clarity. These values were chosen to represent the last recorded values of electrical resistivity before a steep drop in our average electrical resistivity data series, which marks the onset of melt.
2Figures need to be revised throughout the manuscript. Figure captions need to have more explanation and annotation (especially on ERT profiles). Figure 1 should have a better visualization of the ERT electrodes and the ERT frame does not have units. Figure 2 can be placed on 1 singular figure instead of 2. Figure 3 is very small, and the axis do not have a unit. Please separate the study areas to give yourself space to enlarge the figures. Also delineate some zones and give them numbers to discuss in the text. Figure 9 needs a more extensive and elaborative caption. And the color bar does not match the image as some colors are masked on the figure.
R: Figure 1 has been amended; units specified in caption. For figure 2, we would rather keep the average resistivity distribution in two separate subplots, for better readability. If the editor disagrees, we are happy to change it. Even though we didn’t separate the study areas because we think there is remit in showing them side by side, we believe we improved the presentation of Figure 3 significantly, by making the ERT volumes and axis bigger and easier to read. Caption was also amended, and regions of interest highlighted on the figure. Figure 9 and its caption have been amended accordingly.
Figure 3: Why does site 2 have less resistivity change, but according to the site descriptions the soil has higher hydraulic conductivity?R: We are not sure if indeed it has less resistivity change. According to our methodology it has a higher CV overall (Coefficient of Variance). The reviewer suggests a good discussion point which we have included now.
Figure 5: Explanation of this figure is needed. What is the orange line on the Air temperature figure.R: We think the reviewer refers to the 5th panel of the figure (1st column 3rd row). The blue bars represent precipitation, and the red line represents air temperature. Caption was amended to reflect this more clearly.
Figure 8: Why did you decide to use these threshold values?R: We have responded to this query above.
Figure 9: Do you need this figure?R: Yes, a visual representation of the thawing front is probably one of the most novel parts of this manuscript.
Figure 10: The legend. What are “Site 1(1), Site 2 (1)” etc.R: We have divided the ERT volume in 3 layers of equal thickness: layer1 (l1) layer 2 (l2) and layer (l3), in order to look at distribution of electrical resistivity values with depth. The caption was amended slightly to reflect this reference more clearly.
3The discussion section is comprised of many repetitions (from results mostly). I recommend that the authors review this section and attempt to focus more on the reasoning behind the differences between two study sites and try to discuss the causes of variations of ERT values. Another suggestion would be to combine the discussion and result sections and have one result and discussion section to help avoid repetitions. The latter suggestion is at the discretion of the authors.
R: We have streamlined and relocated parts of the discussion to the results section in order to increase the focus on reasoning.
Overall, the study is interesting. Congratulations on the good work. Please revise your manuscript in a way that carries more learning potential for the readers rather than reporting your results. Describe the methodologies and interpretation techniques more elaboratively and introduce your terminologies in the introduction and summarize your discussion section.
R: We thank the reviewer for their encouraging comments. We hope we have revised accordingly.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-350', Anonymous Referee #3, 08 Apr 2024
General comments
I read the manuscript submitted for review entitled "High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic" with attention and interest. The authors used an advanced and, at the same time, sufficiently reliable system for automatic ERT measurements of the ground, enabling repeatable 3D imaging of the two tested sites. Knowing the Arctic realities, this was quite a challenge.
While conducting a literature review for this evaluation, I found an article published in March 2024 by the same authors, “Characterization of a Deglaciated Sediment Chronosequence in the High Arctic Using Near-Surface Geoelectrical Monitoring Methods” (Cimpoiasu et al., 2024). The text contains the research results conducted in the same area, partly in the same sites and dealing with the same problem to some extent. Although it is not an identical material, the submitted manuscript loses some originality. However, I understand the authors' situation. The journal "Parmafrost and Periglacial Processes", in which the article mentioned above was published, restricts the volume of the text and makes it impossible to present all the data collected during the research. So, I guess that the manuscript submitted for review was intended to be an extension of the methodological part of the earlier paper, with more conclusions arising from the ERT method used.
However, I must note that the authors did not formulate the aim of their work. There are two main themes: (i) imaging the thawing and freezing of glacial sediments at two different sites and (ii) examining the thawing front depending on external conditions, including snow cover and the presence of liquid water on the terrain surface. I consider defining the purpose of the study to be crucial in improving the manuscript.
Due to the methods used, observations, and results presented, I consider the topics of gas emissions and biological succession discussed in the text to be unnecessary and disturbing the manuscript structure. However, the introduction lacks a review of the latest research on monitoring the temperature of near-surface ground layers (e.g., Christiansen et al., 2019; Strand et al., 2020; Kasprzak and Szymanowski, 2023; Tyystjärvi et al., 2024; and others) and references to them in the discussion. The description of the methodology also does not convince how original and necessary ERT 3D monitoring is. The choice of research sites is also poorly motivated. The time since the deglaciation of the area is not the only factor that determines the characteristics of glacial till. The differences between the sites result from the sediments' textual and structural features, which the authors write about later in the work.
The authors do not mention the occurrence of permafrost in the marginal zone of Midtre Lovénbreen (Glacier) at Kongsfjord. Considering the relatively quick formation of permafrost (Rotem et al., 2023), it can be assumed that it may occur at least in one of the studied sites. From my point of view, the planned installation should be used to image the entire thickness of the active layer (whether on permafrost or in meaning seasonally frozen ground), although probably at the expense of model resolution. Please discuss this matter.
I do not doubt that the research is a further step in understanding the characteristics of seasonally frozen ground. I appreciate the effort put into obtaining the data and processing it.
Specific comments
Page 2, lines 81–86: I doubt whether the landscape can be covered with glacial till; it is probably about the terrain's surface. There are too many inaccuracies and generalisations in all these sentences that are difficult to verify. “…Deeper ground layers undergo successional changes more slowly than surface layers… “ - What changes? The soil-forming process? This is probably too trivial to write about.
Page 2, lines 88–94: I am afraid this information does not apply to glacial sediments examined in the presented manuscript but to thicker sediments and mainly soils covered with tundra or even peat bogs. The information provided also applies to permafrost, which, as I understand it, was not found in the studied sites (?). There is some inconsistency here.
Page 2, lines 109–111: It would be good to tell the reader when the first continuous ERT monitoring systems appeared (used by whom). In the literature review, it is good to notice some groundbreaking research, e.g. the first applications of ERT in the study of permafrost or glacial sediments, the first measurements with high resolution (small electrode spacing), etc.
Page 3, lines 133–135: For studies designed in this way, information on the sediments at both sites should be more detailed and supported by laboratory tests. However, this is a non-binding note. More information is provided in the paper published in the PPP journal.
Page 5, lines 226: How exactly were the resistivity limit values established for the ground subject to thawing/freezing? Was it a chart analysis (graphical method)? What I miss in the further discussion part is the consideration of how these values may change for the same site with different water saturation (?), which is theoretically possible.
Page 6, lines 237–238: The study does not show the results of the sediment test. Therefore, it cannot be assumed that ground ice was formed in the ground profile; maybe it was only the effect of lowering the temperature (?).
Page 7, line 255: "Soil thawing occurs at each site when soil temperature rises above 0°C”. Please change this sentence because it represents a truism.
Page 11, Figure 9: This is the most interesting figure in the manuscript. Has it been stated which ground factor is responsible for the uneven thawing front, especially at site 1? Please rearrange the figure so that the block diagrams for each site are next to each other, e.g., site 1 on the left and site 2 on the right.
Page 13, lines 376–377: Please correct this inaccuracy in the text. I guess it's about analysing the effects, not the conditions (?).
Page 14, lines 409–411: "According to Elberling and Brandt (2003), microbial activity may continue in unfrozen soils whilst the diffusion and advection…” – I do not understand this sudden change of topic, and I consider this sentence unnecessary.
Page 16, lines 530–537: I suggest that this fragment of the conclusion be either deleted entirely or rewritten. In its current form, it contains oversimplifications and numerous logical errors. It also directly refers to issues that have not been the subject of research (soil biological activity, carbon cycle in the environment).
Technical corrections
The manuscript must be checked for technical correctness (citations, etc.). I do not see any significant errors, but they may be pointed out during editorial work.
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Mihai Cimpoiasu, 08 May 2024
Reviewer 3.
General comments
I read the manuscript submitted for review entitled "High-resolution 4D ERT monitoring of recently deglaciated sediments undergoing freeze-thaw transitions in the High Arctic" with attention and interest. The authors used an advanced and, at the same time, sufficiently reliable system for automatic ERT measurements of the ground, enabling repeatable 3D imaging of the two tested sites. Knowing the Arctic realities, this was quite a challenge.
While conducting a literature review for this evaluation, I found an article published in March 2024 by the same authors, “Characterization of a Deglaciated Sediment Chronosequence in the High Arctic Using Near-Surface Geoelectrical Monitoring Methods” (Cimpoiasu et al., 2024). The text contains the research results conducted in the same area, partly in the same sites and dealing with the same problem to some extent. Although it is not an identical material, the submitted manuscript loses some originality. However, I understand the authors' situation. The journal "Parmafrost and Periglacial Processes", in which the article mentioned above was published, restricts the volume of the text and makes it impossible to present all the data collected during the research. So, I guess that the manuscript submitted for review was intended to be an extension of the methodological part of the earlier paper, with more conclusions arising from the ERT method used.
However, I must note that the authors did not formulate the aim of their work. There are two main themes: (i) imaging the thawing and freezing of glacial sediments at two different sites and (ii) examining the thawing front depending on external conditions, including snow cover and the presence of liquid water on the terrain surface. I consider defining the purpose of the study to be crucial in improving the manuscript.
Due to the methods used, observations, and results presented, I consider the topics of gas emissions and biological succession discussed in the text to be unnecessary and disturbing the manuscript structure. However, the introduction lacks a review of the latest research on monitoring the temperature of near-surface ground layers (e.g., Christiansen et al., 2019; Strand et al., 2020; Kasprzak and Szymanowski, 2023; Tyystjärvi et al., 2024; and others) and references to them in the discussion. The description of the methodology also does not convince how original and necessary ERT 3D monitoring is. The choice of research sites is also poorly motivated. The time since the deglaciation of the area is not the only factor that determines the characteristics of glacial till. The differences between the sites result from the sediments' textual and structural features, which the authors write about later in the work.
The authors do not mention the occurrence of permafrost in the marginal zone of Midtre Lovénbreen (Glacier) at Kongsfjord. Considering the relatively quick formation of permafrost (Rotem et al., 2023), it can be assumed that it may occur at least in one of the studied sites. From my point of view, the planned installation should be used to image the entire thickness of the active layer (whether on permafrost or in meaning seasonally frozen ground), although probably at the expense of model resolution. Please discuss this matter.
I do not doubt that the research is a further step in understanding the characteristics of seasonally frozen ground. I appreciate the effort put into obtaining the data and processing it.
R: The article submitted to TC has a different aim and scope to the one published in PPP earlier this year. The PPP paper is a characterization of the sites and the thermal and hydrological changes over a short summer interval (2 months). The TC paper provides a more in-depth analysis of a longer-term record of ERT data (an entire year vs 2 months). Specifically, a continuous year-long dataset allows us to focuses on the capability to monitor soil water availability across seasons, with a special focus to the spring freeze-thaw transition – which is much more lacking in the literature and for which we have much less data and knowledge.
Following the reviewer’s suggestion we have now supplemented the introduction with a paragraph about monitoring the temperature of near surface layers using the references suggested. Also, we have strengthened the necessity and novelty of 3D ERT by emphasizing its advantages over the use of point sensors.
We have now included a paragraph in the discussion which refers to permafrost. However, imaging the active layer did not fall within the scope of this study. As is, the electrodes are not placed sufficiently far apart to allow the PRIME system to image the interface between the active layer and permafrost.
Specific comments
Page 2, lines 81–86: I doubt whether the landscape can be covered with glacial till; it is probably about the terrain's surface. There are too many inaccuracies and generalisations in all these sentences that are difficult to verify. “…Deeper ground layers undergo successional changes more slowly than surface layers… “ - What changes? The soil-forming process? This is probably too trivial to write about.
R: The sentence regarding glacial till has been removed. Succession is the process by which natural communities replace (or success) one another over time. The other sentence is rephrased to “with deeper layers of the soil likely to be carbon-limited due to a lack of photosynthetically derived organic carbon (Freeman et al., 2009), and undergoing successional and corresponding physicochemical changes more slowly than surface layers”.
Page 2, lines 88–94: I am afraid this information does not apply to glacial sediments examined in the presented manuscript but to thicker sediments and mainly soils covered with tundra or even peat bogs. The information provided also applies to permafrost, which, as I understand it, was not found in the studied sites (?). There is some inconsistency here.
R: The sentence referring to thawing of permafrost and destabilisation has been removed to avoid the inconsistency reported.
Page 2, lines 109–111: It would be good to tell the reader when the first continuous ERT monitoring systems appeared (used by whom). In the literature review, it is good to notice some groundbreaking research, e.g. the first applications of ERT in the study of permafrost or glacial sediments, the first measurements with high resolution (small electrode spacing), etc.
R: Following the reviewers’ suggestion, relevant references were added to the introduction.
Page 3, lines 133–135: For studies designed in this way, information on the sediments at both sites should be more detailed and supported by laboratory tests. However, this is a non-binding note. More information is provided in the paper published in the PPP journal.
R: As the reviewer pointed out, we have published physicochemical information about the sediments in a different paper which we referenced to in this manuscript.
Page 5, lines 226: How exactly were the resistivity limit values established for the ground subject to thawing/freezing? Was it a chart analysis (graphical method)? What I miss in the further discussion part is the consideration of how these values may change for the same site with different water saturation (?), which is theoretically possible.
R: We rephrased the text slightly for clarity. These values were chosen to represent the last recorded values of electrical resistivity before a steep drop in our average electrical resistivity data series, which marks the onset of melt. This value would change from season to season if the water saturation were different. We have added this point to the discussion.
Page 6, lines 237–238: The study does not show the results of the sediment test. Therefore, it cannot be assumed that ground ice was formed in the ground profile; maybe it was only the effect of lowering the temperature (?).
R: We agree with the reviewer the sentence was speculative, it has now been rephrased: “A low soil temperature during winter determines strong positive changes in electrical resistivity”.
Page 7, line 255: "Soil thawing occurs at each site when soil temperature rises above 0°C”. Please change this sentence because it represents a truism.
R: Sentence was rephrased. “When the recorded soil temperature rises above 0 °C we observe a steep increase in VWC values as more liquid water becomes available”.
Page 11, Figure 9: This is the most interesting figure in the manuscript. Has it been stated which ground factor is responsible for the uneven thawing front, especially at site 1? Please rearrange the figure so that the block diagrams for each site are next to each other, e.g., site 1 on the left and site 2 on the right.
R: Figure 9 was now modified. We believe that the uneven thawing front at Site 1 might be due to the presence of boulders and uneroded rocks with a different thermal mass than the surrounding glacial diamiction. Information added in text.
Page 13, lines 376–377: Please correct this inaccuracy in the text. I guess it's about analysing the effects, not the conditions (?).
R: Sentence now amended.
Page 14, lines 409–411: "According to Elberling and Brandt (2003), microbial activity may continue in unfrozen soils whilst the diffusion and advection…” – I do not understand this sudden change of topic, and I consider this sentence unnecessary.
R: We agree, the sentence was removed.
Page 16, lines 530–537: I suggest that this fragment of the conclusion be either deleted entirely or rewritten. In its current form, it contains oversimplifications and numerous logical errors. It also directly refers to issues that have not been the subject of research (soil biological activity, carbon cycle in the environment).
R: The conclusions section was restructured and rewritten. Portions of the paragraph indicated were either removed or rephrased in order to reduce references to soil biological activity.
Technical corrections
The manuscript must be checked for technical correctness (citations, etc.). I do not see any significant errors, but they may be pointed out during editorial work.
R: We are pleased to see that the reviewer does not see any major technical errors. We shall amend them if any become apparent during a potential future editorial review.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-350-AC3
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