the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
Spatial and temporal variations in rockwall erosion rates around Pigne d’Arolla, Switzerland, derived from cosmogenic 10Be in medial moraines at five adjacent valley glaciers
Abstract. Rockwall erosion in high-alpine glacial environments varies both temporally and spatially. Where rockwalls flank glaciers, changes in debris supply and supraglacial cover will modify ice ablation. Yet, quantifying spatiotemporal patterns in erosion across deglaciating rockwalls is not trivial. At five adjacent valley glaciers around Pigne d’Arolla in Switzerland, we derived apparent rockwall erosion rates using 10Be cosmogenic nuclide concentrations ([10Be]) in medial moraine debris. Systematic downglacier-sampling of six medial moraines that receive debris from rockwalls with differing orientation, slope and deglaciation histories enabled us to assess rockwall erosion through time and to investigate how distinct spatial source rockwall morphology may express itself in medial moraine [10Be] records. Our dataset combines 24 new samples from medial moraines of Glacier du Brenay, Glacier de Cheilon, Glacier de Pièce, and Glacier de Tsijiore Nouve, with 15 published samples from Glacier d’Otemma. For each sample, we simulated the glacial debris transport using a simple debris particle trajectory model, to approximate the time of debris erosion and to correct the measured [10Be] for post-depositional 10Be accumulation. Our derived apparent rockwall erosion rates range between ~0.6 and 10.0 mm yr-1. Whereas the longest downglacier [10Be] record presumably reaches back to the end of the Little Ice Age (LIA) and suggests a systematic increase in rockwall erosion rates over the last ~200 years, the shorter records only cover the last ~100 years from the recent deglaciation period and indicate temporally more stable erosion rates. For the estimated time of debris erosion, ice cover changes across most source rockwalls were small, suggesting that our records are largely unaffected by the contribution of recently deglaciated bedrock of possibly different [10Be]; but admixture of subglacially derived debris cannot be excluded at every site. Comparing our sites suggests that apparent rockwall erosion rates are higher where rockwalls are steep and north-facing, indicating a potential slope and temperature control on rockwall erosion around Pigne d’Arolla.
-
Notice on discussion status
The requested preprint has a corresponding peer-reviewed final revised paper. You are encouraged to refer to the final revised version.
-
Preprint
(10727 KB)
-
Supplement
(4965 KB)
-
The requested preprint has a corresponding peer-reviewed final revised paper. You are encouraged to refer to the final revised version.
- Preprint
(10727 KB) - Metadata XML
-
Supplement
(4965 KB) - BibTeX
- EndNote
- Final revised paper
Journal article(s) based on this preprint
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
-
RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-630', Neil Glasser, 14 May 2023
Review of “Spatial and temporal variations in rockwall erosion rates around Pigne d’Arolla, Switzerland, derived from cosmogenic 10Be in medial moraines at five adjacent valley glaciers” by Katharina Wetterauer and Dirk Scherler
This is a well-written and informative manuscript. The study is well-embedded in the existing literature and the study sites, methods and data sets are described and analysed in detail. I would recommend it is published, subject only to a few minor points of clarification listed below.
- The manuscript builds on a previous study (Wetterauer, 2022) but I was not clear how it adds to that study, other than expanding the data set from a single site (Glacier d’Otemma) to four other new sites (Glacier du Brenay, Glacier de Cheilon, Glacier de Pièce, and Glacier de Tsijiore Nouve). I would like to see a clear statement of what the addition of these new sites has added. The place to do this is probably around Line 69 of the manuscript.
- Figure 1 could be improved. There are a lot words in the caption that should be in the legend or annotated on the various panels.
- Line 188 “assuming an initial concentration of zero”: can we have some discussion of the validity (or otherwise) of this statement? Does it mean you assume that the original bedrock in the rockwalls had no exposure? This seems unlikely to me as presumably these were exposed above the glaciers over the last few millenia.
- Line 208: I would like to see a statement about how representative (or otherwise) the samples are. How were the samples collected and how did you decide where to collect them? How did you ensure they represent the local environment at each point of the moraines?
- Line 257 onwards: Please add an uncertainty estimate for the velocities here and elsewhere.
- Line 305 “We acknowledge that our reconstruction of glacier surface velocities and elevations contains several sources of unquantified uncertainties”: can you say more about how these unquantified uncertainties are a limitation and how this then plays out? Where is it later discussed? (mentioned again on Line 405).
- Line 576: What does “provides systematic results” mean?
- Conclusion iv (line 596): I am not sure you can say this (that the source walls are unaffected by any major climatic, tectonic or lithological differences) because the temporal records you have derived are so short by comparison.
Reference:
Wetterauer, K., Scherler, D., Anderson, L.S., and Wittmann, H.: Temporal evolution of rockwall erosion rates derived from cosmogenic nuclide concentrations in the medial moraines of Glacier d’Otemma, Switzerland, Earth Surf. Proc. Land., 47, 2437-2454, https://doi.org/10.1002/esp.5386, 2022
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-630-RC1 - AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Katharina Wetterauer, 07 Aug 2023
-
RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-630', Anonymous Referee #2, 20 Jul 2023
Review of Wetterauer and Scherler, “Spatial and temporal variations in rockwall erosion rates around Pigne d’Arolla, Switzerland, derived from cosmogenic 10Be in medial moraines at five adjacent valley glaciers”
This paper describes a new study extending the approach of measuring glacier headwall/sidewall erosion rates using the 10Be concentrations in medial moraines. The authors combine new measurements with published data on multiple Alpine glaciers that flow more or less radially from a central massif, enabling comparisons on aspect, slope, glacier size, etc. Glacier surface velocity tracking is used to constrain debris transport rates due to ice flow, which enables assignment of specific samples to times in the past spanning ~200 yrs in the longest case. These are supplemented by various historical maps and other documents to evaluate changes due to ice loss and lowering along headwalls. Thus both spatial and temporal trends are assessed.
The manuscript is very well written and organized. The figures are well drafted and useful. It is clear that the researchers worked hard to evaluate the potential impacts of the common sources of error associated with these methods (particulalry admixture of subglaical debris), and reported the results with the appropriate caveats. The findings that hint at the increase in rockfall erosion rates across the LIA but little change since are interesting and potentially quite useful for past climate evaluations; I’m not sure of any other way to get such a record. The results that show a dependence of rock wall erosion rates on aspect and a stronger one on slope reinforce physical models of rockfall erosion.
It’s uncommon that I can’t find something to nitpick in a paper, but really, this is ready to be published in my evaluation. Very nice study.
-DW
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-630-RC2 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Katharina Wetterauer, 07 Aug 2023
Dear Referee DW,
we are very happy about your positive feedback and evaluation of our study. Thank you for taking the time to review our manuscript and for your positive recommendation.
With kind regards,
The authors
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-630-AC1
-
AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Katharina Wetterauer, 07 Aug 2023
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
-
RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-630', Neil Glasser, 14 May 2023
Review of “Spatial and temporal variations in rockwall erosion rates around Pigne d’Arolla, Switzerland, derived from cosmogenic 10Be in medial moraines at five adjacent valley glaciers” by Katharina Wetterauer and Dirk Scherler
This is a well-written and informative manuscript. The study is well-embedded in the existing literature and the study sites, methods and data sets are described and analysed in detail. I would recommend it is published, subject only to a few minor points of clarification listed below.
- The manuscript builds on a previous study (Wetterauer, 2022) but I was not clear how it adds to that study, other than expanding the data set from a single site (Glacier d’Otemma) to four other new sites (Glacier du Brenay, Glacier de Cheilon, Glacier de Pièce, and Glacier de Tsijiore Nouve). I would like to see a clear statement of what the addition of these new sites has added. The place to do this is probably around Line 69 of the manuscript.
- Figure 1 could be improved. There are a lot words in the caption that should be in the legend or annotated on the various panels.
- Line 188 “assuming an initial concentration of zero”: can we have some discussion of the validity (or otherwise) of this statement? Does it mean you assume that the original bedrock in the rockwalls had no exposure? This seems unlikely to me as presumably these were exposed above the glaciers over the last few millenia.
- Line 208: I would like to see a statement about how representative (or otherwise) the samples are. How were the samples collected and how did you decide where to collect them? How did you ensure they represent the local environment at each point of the moraines?
- Line 257 onwards: Please add an uncertainty estimate for the velocities here and elsewhere.
- Line 305 “We acknowledge that our reconstruction of glacier surface velocities and elevations contains several sources of unquantified uncertainties”: can you say more about how these unquantified uncertainties are a limitation and how this then plays out? Where is it later discussed? (mentioned again on Line 405).
- Line 576: What does “provides systematic results” mean?
- Conclusion iv (line 596): I am not sure you can say this (that the source walls are unaffected by any major climatic, tectonic or lithological differences) because the temporal records you have derived are so short by comparison.
Reference:
Wetterauer, K., Scherler, D., Anderson, L.S., and Wittmann, H.: Temporal evolution of rockwall erosion rates derived from cosmogenic nuclide concentrations in the medial moraines of Glacier d’Otemma, Switzerland, Earth Surf. Proc. Land., 47, 2437-2454, https://doi.org/10.1002/esp.5386, 2022
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-630-RC1 - AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Katharina Wetterauer, 07 Aug 2023
-
RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-630', Anonymous Referee #2, 20 Jul 2023
Review of Wetterauer and Scherler, “Spatial and temporal variations in rockwall erosion rates around Pigne d’Arolla, Switzerland, derived from cosmogenic 10Be in medial moraines at five adjacent valley glaciers”
This paper describes a new study extending the approach of measuring glacier headwall/sidewall erosion rates using the 10Be concentrations in medial moraines. The authors combine new measurements with published data on multiple Alpine glaciers that flow more or less radially from a central massif, enabling comparisons on aspect, slope, glacier size, etc. Glacier surface velocity tracking is used to constrain debris transport rates due to ice flow, which enables assignment of specific samples to times in the past spanning ~200 yrs in the longest case. These are supplemented by various historical maps and other documents to evaluate changes due to ice loss and lowering along headwalls. Thus both spatial and temporal trends are assessed.
The manuscript is very well written and organized. The figures are well drafted and useful. It is clear that the researchers worked hard to evaluate the potential impacts of the common sources of error associated with these methods (particulalry admixture of subglaical debris), and reported the results with the appropriate caveats. The findings that hint at the increase in rockfall erosion rates across the LIA but little change since are interesting and potentially quite useful for past climate evaluations; I’m not sure of any other way to get such a record. The results that show a dependence of rock wall erosion rates on aspect and a stronger one on slope reinforce physical models of rockfall erosion.
It’s uncommon that I can’t find something to nitpick in a paper, but really, this is ready to be published in my evaluation. Very nice study.
-DW
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-630-RC2 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Katharina Wetterauer, 07 Aug 2023
Dear Referee DW,
we are very happy about your positive feedback and evaluation of our study. Thank you for taking the time to review our manuscript and for your positive recommendation.
With kind regards,
The authors
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-630-AC1
-
AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Katharina Wetterauer, 07 Aug 2023
Peer review completion
Journal article(s) based on this preprint
Viewed
HTML | XML | Total | Supplement | BibTeX | EndNote | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
269 | 118 | 19 | 406 | 44 | 12 | 12 |
- HTML: 269
- PDF: 118
- XML: 19
- Total: 406
- Supplement: 44
- BibTeX: 12
- EndNote: 12
Viewed (geographical distribution)
Country | # | Views | % |
---|
Total: | 0 |
HTML: | 0 |
PDF: | 0 |
XML: | 0 |
- 1
Cited
Katharina Wetterauer
Dirk Scherler
The requested preprint has a corresponding peer-reviewed final revised paper. You are encouraged to refer to the final revised version.
- Preprint
(10727 KB) - Metadata XML
-
Supplement
(4965 KB) - BibTeX
- EndNote
- Final revised paper