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Unprecedent cave ice melt in the last 6100 years in the Central Pyrenees (A294 ice cave)
Abstract. Ice caves are understudied environments within the cryosphere, hosting unique ice deposits valuable for paleoclimate studies. Recently, many of these deposits have experienced accelerated retreat due to global warming, threatening their existence. The A294 cave contains the world’s known oldest firn cave deposit (6100 years cal. BP), which is progressively waning. This study presents 12 years (2009–2021) of monitoring data from A294, including temperature measurements both outside and inside the cave, meteoric precipitation, and ice loss measurements by comparing historical cave surveys (1978, 2012, 2019), photographs, and ice measurements within the cave. Our findings indicate a continuous increase in cave air temperature (~1.07 to 1.56 °C over 12 years), increases in the Thaw Index, and a decrease in the number of freezing days (i.e., days below 0 °C) as well as in the Freezing Index. Calculated melting rates based on cave surveys and measurements show significant variations depending on the cave sector, ranging from ~15 to ~192 cm per year. The retreat of the ice body is primarily driven by an increase in winter temperatures, the rise in rainfall during the warm seasons, and the decrease in snowfall and snow cover duration. The ice stratigraphy and local paleoclimate records suggest unprecedented melting conditions since this ice began to form 6100 years ago. This study highlights the urgent need to recover all possible information from these unique subterranean ice deposits before they disappear.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-8', Anonymous Referee #1, 21 Mar 2025
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This study presents a detailed analysis of ice loss in A294 Ice Cave over the last 12 years (2009–2021), with implications for climate change impacts on cave ice deposits. The authors use a combination of temperature monitoring, precipitation data, and ice loss measurements from historical cave surveys, offering valuable insights into the unprecedented nature of recent melting. The authors successfully place their results within the broader framework of climate reconstructions and ice retreat trends in the Pyrenees.
Suggestions for areas of improvements:
1) The temperature reconstruction method using quantile-based gap-filling should include a validation step against external datasets beyond Góriz and La Renclusa stations.
2) More details on uncertainties associated with ice retreat rates would be helpful. For example, specifying potential sources of error in survey comparisons (e.g., instrument precision, human factors) would strengthen confidence in the retreat estimates.
3) Some sections, particularly those discussing temperature trends and ice retreat, could benefit from a clearer distinction between observed data and modeled inferences. For instance, in section 5.1, the link between external temperature anomalies and ice melting rates could be more explicitly quantified. Including R-squared values or additional statistical measures would strengthen the argument.
4) Linking the cave’s ice retreat to regional hydrology or ecosystem impacts could provide further relevance beyond cryosphere studies.
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Figure 3: The cave survey should have clearer legends to indicate differences in retreat rates across different sectors of the cave. In panel (d) the ice limit for 2011 is shown but not for 2012. Why there are no plan views for all ice deposit limits shown in (d)?
Figure 4: I suggest using “Twelve years …” instead of “12 years…"
Figure 8: (a) The caption is unclear. Light blue bars are visible in other months than April to November. The dark blue lines are intended to represent the number of rainy days (April to November), but the curve includes data from months outside this period. The same applies to the total rainfall. Why are the Y-axes titled “April-November” when the plots show wider intervals? Are the last two plots (nr of rainy days and total rainfall) depicted in Fig. 8a necessary, given that they are also shown in Fig. 8b and in panel (a) there is a lack of correlation?
Figure 9: Enhance text visibility in panels (e) and (f) by employing larger white font.
Figure 11 is highly informative, but it is quite dense. Can you think of some changes that might improve readability? For (h), orange (Fall) is not the best color as is almost impossible distinguish from red.
Minor editorial issues:
Lines 80-82: Several additional factors influence cave temperature during the “closed” phase, not solely the heat exchange during winter. The sentence requires revision for clarity, considering the information provided in lines 82-85.
Line 183: The (dd/mm/aa) format is used, but at line 187, authors use the (dd/mm/yy) format. Choose and maintain one format consistently.
Line 594 (Acknowledgements): should be “… foe for ..” or it should only be “for”
References: There are minor formatting inconsistencies in the list, which should be checked for uniformity.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-8-RC1
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