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Physical drivers and trends of the recent delayed withdrawal of the Southwest Monsoon over Mainland Indochina
Abstract. The study investigates the key factors that cause the Mainland Indochina Southwest Monsoon (MSwM) to delay withdrawal, utilizing a spatial trend correlation between the monsoon index and various meteorological and oceanic variables such as sea surface temperature (SST), zonal winds, and moisture transport. A significant strengthening trend in the Subtropical Westerly jet (SWJ) and a weakening Tropical Easterly jet (TEJ) not only impacts regional wind patterns but also delays the monsoon departure. The anomalous South China Sea and the equatorial Indo-Pacific Ocean surface temperature (SSTA) further contribute to these delayed withdrawals, and there is a significant correlation between the MSwM withdrawal index and SSTA, moisture transport, and essential atmospheric factors. The results clarify MSwM dynamics, offering significant insights for future climate research associated with MSwM. The study also suggests that the variability of ocean-atmosphere interactions and local atmospheric circulation patterns is critical for understanding monsoon variability, which has a potential impact on climate predictions, water resource management, and agriculture practices over Mainland Indochina.
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1159', Brian Ayugi, 24 Apr 2025
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AC1: 'Reply on CC1', KyawThan Oo, 29 Apr 2025
Firstly, we would like to say thank you for your suggestions and valued time for this. Now we are waiting for all reviewer suggestions and will revise as per you all suggested. Hope you will review again our revised manuscript next time. And we will also respond to all your suggestions point by point after the revision is done.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1159-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on CC1', KyawThan Oo, 29 Apr 2025
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CC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1159', Md. Arfan Ali, 30 Apr 2025
This study examines delayed monsoon withdrawal, highlighting the Somali Westerly Jet (SWJ) and Tropical Easterly Jet (TEJ) as key drivers, with implications for climate adaptation in agriculture and water management. To strengthen the manuscript, the following revisions are suggested:
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Expand the conclusion to clarify the mechanistic role of SWJ/TEJ interactions in withdrawal timing, propose policy measures (e.g., early warning systems), and identify unresolved research questions.
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Elaborate on data preprocessing, including regridding techniques, temporal adjustments, and bias corrections for reproducibility.
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Deepen the literature review by comparing existing monsoon withdrawal indices, their regional applicability, and limitations to better justify the current approach.
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Adjust figure scales symmetrically for improved clarity.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1159-CC2 -
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1159', Anonymous Referee #1, 17 Jul 2025
Comments:
This study examines interannual variation of the Mainland Indochina Southwest Monsoon (MSwM) withdrawal. The authors found that stronger subtropical westerly jet and weaker easterly jet could lead to delay of the monsoon withdrawal via modulating regional wind patterns. In addition, SST anomalies in the Indian Ocean could change the length of the monsoon season via modulating moisture transport. Results of this study are interesting and important. This manuscript can be accepted after several revisions.
The writing of this manuscript should be further improved, some of suggestions has been listed below.
Line 52: Base on--->Based on
Line 55: the (ISM delete "parenthesis"
Line 55: ISM should be presented in its full name
Lines 79-83: In addition to ENSO, recent studies have demonstrated that mid-high latitude systems also have significant impacts on ENSO, East Asian monsoon onset and withdrawal, which should also be briefly reviewed (Hu et al. 2020, 2025).
Hu et al. 2020: Extremely early summer monsoon onset in the South China Sea in 2019 following an El Niño event. Month Weather Review, 148, 1877–1890.
Hu et al. 2025: Asian-Pacific Summer Monsoon Variability and Atmospheric Teleconnection Patterns: Review and Outlook. Journal of Meteorological Research, 39(3), 653-674, doi: 10.1007/s13351-025-4222-2
Lines 226-227: To examine the possible role of ENSO and IOD in modulating monsoon onset, the authors should present SST anomalies pattern regressed upon the monsoon onset index.
Whether there exist a connection between the MSwM onset and withdrawal? I suggest examine this issue and add some discussions.
Line 390: are suggests that---> are suggesting that
The physical process for the impact of the weakening of the TEJ and intensification of the SWJ on the monsoon withdrawal could be examined in more details.
Do Arctic sea ice anomalies could exert impacts on monsoon withdrawal? Recent studies indicated that Arctic climat systems (e.g. Arctic sea ice and Arctic Oscillation) could exert significant impact on IOD and ENSO (Cheng et al. 2025; Chen et al. 2024). As this study indicated that ENSO and IOD can exert impacts on MSwM monsoon onset and withdrawal. I am wondering Arctic sea ice anomalies may play a role. I suggest add some discussions for future study.
Cheng et al. 2025: Influence of winter Arctic sea ice anomalies on the following autumn Indian Ocean Dipole development. Journal of Climate, 38(13), 3109-3129, https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-24-0419.1.
Chen et al. 2024: Interdecadal Variation in the Impact of Arctic Sea Ice on the El Niño-Southern Oscillation: The Role of Atmospheric Mean Flow. Journal of Climate, 37(21), 5483-5506, https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-23-0733.1.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC1', KyawThan Oo, 22 Jul 2025
We sincerely appreciate the time and effort you have dedicated to reviewing our manuscript. Your insightful comments and constructive suggestions have significantly improved the quality of this work. We have carefully addressed each of your concerns in the revised manuscript, with detailed responses provided point-by-point above.
We are particularly grateful for your suggestions on clarifying physical mechanisms, expanding discussions on Arctic connections, and improving the overall readability of the paper. Your expertise has been invaluable in shaping this study into a more robust and impactful contribution to the field.
Thank you again for your thoughtful review. We look forward to your feedback on the revised version.Response to Reviewer Comments
Q1 (Line 52): "Base on" → "Based on"
A1: Thank you for catching this typo. We have corrected it to "Based on" in the revised manuscript. Line 51.Q2 (Line 55): Delete the parenthesis around "ISM" "the ISM"
A2: We have removed the unnecessary parentheses as suggested. Line 55-56Q3 (Line 55): "ISM should be presented in its full name"
A3: We have now defined "Indian Summer Monsoon (ISM)" at its first mention for clarity. Line 55-56Q4 (Lines 79-83): "In addition to ENSO, recent studies have demonstrated that mid-high latitude systems also have significant impacts on ENSO, East Asian monsoon onset and withdrawal, which should also be briefly reviewed (Hu et al. 2020, 2025)."
A4: We appreciate this suggestion. A brief discussion of influences (citing Hu et al. 2020, 2025) has been added to the introduction. Line 79-81Q5 (Lines 226-227): "To examine the possible role of ENSO and IOD in modulating monsoon onset, the authors should present SST anomaly patterns regressed upon the monsoon onset index."
A5: We have now included the regression analysis of SST anomalies against the monsoon onset index in the revised manuscript. Fig-S10 and Line 457-459Q6: "Whether there exists a connection between the MSwM onset and withdrawal? I suggest examining this issue and adding some discussions."
A6: This is a valuable point. We have analyzed the relationship and added a new figure and sub paragraph discussing potential linkages between onset and withdrawal. Line 244-283"The interannual variations of the Mainland Indochina Southwest Monsoon (MSwM) onset and withdrawal dates from 1991 to 2020 reveal a clear divergence in behavior between the two phases when analyzed through thermodynamic and dynamic components using the CPM index (Fig. 4). The onset phase shows minimal long-term change, with weak regression slopes of +0.09 days/year for the thermodynamic component and +0.12 days/year for the dynamic component, both statistically insignificant (Fig. 4.b). In contrast, the withdrawal phase exhibits a significant delay, especially in the dynamic processes, with a regression slope of +0.80 days/year and a moderate correlation (R² = 0.35, CC = 0.59). The thermodynamic component also shows a positive trend, albeit weaker, at +0.45 days/year (R² = 0.21, CC = 0.46), indicating that dynamic atmospheric factors, such as upper-level wind changes, are increasingly contributing to the delayed monsoon withdrawal (Fig. 4.a).
The random forest analysis further supports these findings. For onset prediction, the Net heat flux (Net) and Moisture Flux Convergence (MFC) are the most important factors, reflecting the dominant role of thermodynamic processes (Fig. 4.c). For withdrawal prediction, however, the 850-hPa zonal wind (U) emerges as the most critical driver, followed by pressure gradient (dP), with MFC playing a secondary role (Fig. 4.d). Regarding seasonal rainfall, all five parameters (U, dP, MFC, Net, OLR) contribute relatively evenly (Fig. 4.e), highlighting the coupled influence of both dynamic and thermodynamic factors on rainfall variability.
The box-whisker plot (Fig. 4.f) shows that MFC and OLR tend to correspond with delayed withdrawal dates, suggesting that lingering moisture convergence and persistent convective activity can postpone the withdrawal phase. This aligns with previous findings that regional convective systems and late-season tropical cyclones (Akter & Tsuboki, 2014; Fosu & Wang, 2015; Oo et al., 2024) can sustain rainfall events even after large-scale monsoon winds weaken (Chou et al., 2009). These results collectively point to a dynamic-thermodynamic asymmetry: while monsoon onset is controlled primarily by energy build-up and moisture availability, the withdrawal is increasingly modulated by dynamic atmospheric circulation anomalies, such as upper-level wind changes and tropical disturbances from the South China Sea.
The analysis suggests that the two phases of monsoon are influenced by distinct mechanisms with weak interdependence. The onset phase remains stable over the study period, primarily driven by thermodynamic factors, while the withdrawal phase shows a significant delay due to dynamic factors (Fig. 4). This decoupling might be explained by different large-scale climate processes governing the two phases: onset is mainly linked to pre-monsoon land-sea thermal contrasts and moisture build-up, whereas withdrawal is more sensitive to post-monsoon circulation shifts, tropical cyclone activity, and upper-level wind anomalies. However, this finding also highlights the need for further research into potential indirect links, such as how early or late onsets may influence intra-seasonal rainfall breaks, which in turn could modulate withdrawal characteristics."
Q7 (Line 390): "are suggests that" → "are suggesting that"
A7: We have corrected this grammatical error to "are suggesting that." Line 409Q8: "The physical process for the impact of the weakening of the TEJ and intensification of the SWJ on the monsoon withdrawal could be examined in more details."
A8: We have expanded the discussion on dynamical mechanisms to clarify how TEJ weakening and SWJ intensification modulate monsoon withdrawal. Line 416-437"The weakening of the Tropical Easterly Jet (TEJ) and the concurrent intensification of the Subtropical Westerly Jet (SWJ) exert a pivotal control on the monsoon withdrawal process through modifications of the upper-tropospheric thermodynamic and dynamic structures. A pronounced negative trend in the 200 hPa zonal wind over the tropical belt signifies a weakening TEJ, while an enhanced westerly anomaly over the subtropics indicates a strengthening SWJ (Fig. 8.b and d). This shift reflects a northward migration of the jet core and a weakening of the upper-level Easterly ventilation, which reduces the divergent outflow critical for maintaining deep convection during the mature monsoon phase. The low-level wind trends (Fig. 8.a and c) depict a weakening of the 850 hPa monsoon westerlies, leading to reduced moisture convergence over the Indo-China Peninsula, as supported by the negative moisture flux convergence correlations. Furthermore, the suppressed ascending motion at mid-troposphere levels (Fig. 7.e), coupled with positive 500 hPa geopotential height anomalies (Fig. 7.f), signify the onset of mid-level atmospheric stabilization and the collapse of the monsoon thermal structure.
The vertical cross-sections reveal that during the late years, corresponding to delayed withdrawal events, the upper-tropospheric divergence weakens (associated with TEJ weakening), while the upper-level westerly shearing and subsidence induced by the intensified SWJ strengthen (Fig. 9.c and d) This enhanced subsidence promotes tropospheric drying and suppression of convection, which together act as a dynamical brake on the monsoon system, facilitating its withdrawal. Collectively, these findings exhibited the barotropic and baroclinic adjustments in the upper-level circulation, where the interaction between the weakening TEJ and the intensifying SWJ modifies the large-scale monsoon dynamics, disrupts the monsoon Hadley circulation, and accelerates the seasonal transition toward the dry post-monsoon regime. This conclusion lends credence to those earlier findings (Krishnamurti et al., 2012; Roxy et al., 2015). In addition, prior research has demonstrated the connection between sustained moisture transport and extended convective activity with the monsoon, which is supported by the positive link between moisture flux convergence and delayed monsoon withdrawal (Goswami et al., 2006). The atmospheric dynamics anomaly, specifically the weakening of the TEJ and the intensification of the SWJ, are significant variables influencing the noted trend of delayed monsoon withdrawal."
Q9: "Do Arctic sea ice anomalies exert impacts on monsoon withdrawal? Recent studies indicated that Arctic climate systems could influence IOD and ENSO (Cheng et al. 2025; Chen et al. 2024). I suggest adding some discussions for future study."
A9: We agree this is an important direction. A paragraph on potential Arctic linkages (citing Cheng et al. 2025 and Chen et al. 2024) has been added to the "Future Work" section. Line 469-476"The Aug-Sep SST of the tropical Pacific and Indian oceans and rainfall within October can also predict the MIC October rainfall. The negative correlation otherwise (La Niña) in the equatorial Pacific and the negative Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) mode are associated with exceeding rainfall over MIC (Fig. 10.d), which is a mark of an extended monsoon (as mentioned in Fig. 4). This association supports the earlier finding that increased SSTs are associated with extended rainfall during the late monsoon, especially in the central Pacific and the Indo-Pacific Warm Pool (Ghosh et al., 2009; Sabeerali et al., 2014). Furthermore, the pattern of connection is associated with the impact of global climate models like the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO), which changes regional SSTs and rainfall distributions in the Indo-Pacific area."
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1159-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC1', KyawThan Oo, 22 Jul 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1159', Anonymous Referee #2, 19 Aug 2025
This manuscript investigated the factors modulating the withdrawal of the Southwest Monsoon over Mainland Indochina, as well as the recent interdecadal delay withdrawal. The topic is important, and the results are interesting. However, some issues remain to be explained before this manuscript can be published.
- Page 3 Lines 70-74: In addition to precipitation and circulation, the thermal and moisture characteristics of the atmosphere also serve as an important indicator for describing the progression of the monsoon season.
Zhang H, Liang P, Moise A, et al. Diagnosing potential changes in Asian summer monsoon onset and duration in IPCC AR4 model simulations using moisture and wind indices. Climate dynamics, 2012, 39(9): 2465-2486.
Song L, Hu P, Chen W, et al. Increasing Trend of Summer Monsoonal Rainfall Tied to the Extension of the South China Sea Summer Monsoon Duration. Atmospheric Science Letters, 2025, 26(7): e1308.
- Equation 2: This study takes multiple factors into account to characterize the seasonal evolution of the monsoon. However, this approach may render the physical meaning of the index somewhat ambiguous. How do these factors compare in terms of relative importance? Which factor plays the dominant role?
- Following up on the previous question, these factors were obtained by averaging over different spatial domains. What is the rationale for choosing these domains? In the article, the ranges are directly specified, but no explanation is provided for the selection. It should be noted that tropical atmospheric dynamics exhibit well-defined spatial and location relationship (Gill 1980). For instance, convective activity can excite westward-propagating equatorial Rossby wave responses, which in turn lead to the strongest southwesterlies being located to the west of the convection center (e.g., Wang et al. 2009).
Gill A E. Some simple solutions for heat‐induced tropical circulation. Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society, 1980, 106(449): 447-462.
Wang B, Huang F, Wu Z, et al. Multi-scale climate variability of the South China Sea monsoon: A review. Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans, 2009, 47(1-3): 15-37.
- The authors only analyzed changes over the period 1991–2020, which is rather short. Why not consider a longer time span, for example starting from 1979?
- Figure 2: Although the timing of the seasonal transition is generally consistent, a closer look reveals that different variables are not perfectly synchronized. What causes this asynchrony, and how might it affect the CPM index?
- Does the monsoon transition timing (onset and withdrawal) defined in this manuscript show any significant correlation with the time series of surrounding regions and other monsoon subsystems? For example, many studies have indicated that the monsoon onset over the Bay of Bengal is significantly correlated with that over the South China Sea and India (Xing et al. 2016; Hu et al. 2022). If such calculations are difficult, the manuscript should at least include some discussion on this aspect.
Xing N, Li J, Wang L. Effect of the early and late onset of summer monsoon over the Bay of Bengal on Asian precipitation in May. Climate Dynamics, 2016, 47(5): 1961-1970.
Hu P, Chen W, Chen S, et al. The leading mode and factors for coherent variations among the subsystems of tropical Asian summer monsoon onset. Journal of Climate, 2022, 35(5): 1597-1612.
- Some studies have already focused on the interdecadal delay of the South China Sea summer monsoon withdrawal in recent years. Is this delay related to the summer monsoon withdrawal over the Indochina Peninsula?
Wang X, Zhou W. Interdecadal variation of the monsoon trough and its relationship with tropical cyclone genesis over the South China Sea and Philippine Sea around the mid-2000s. Climate Dynamics, 2024, 62(5): 3743-3762.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1159-RC2 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC2', KyawThan Oo, 19 Aug 2025
Revierwe2#
This manuscript investigated the factors modulating the withdrawal of the Southwest Monsoon over Mainland Indochina, as well as the recent interdecadal delay withdrawal. The topic is important, and the results are interesting. However, some issues remain to be explained before this manuscript can be published.
We sincerely thank Referee for the constructive and insightful comments, which have greatly improved the quality of our manuscript. Below, we provide detailed responses to each point and indicate how we have revised the manuscript accordingly.
- Page 3 Lines 70-74: In addition to precipitation and circulation, the thermal and moisture characteristics of the atmosphere also serve as an important indicator for describing the progression of the monsoon season.
Zhang H, Liang P, Moise A, et al. Diagnosing potential changes in Asian summer monsoon onset and duration in IPCC AR4 model simulations using moisture and wind indices. Climate dynamics, 2012, 39(9): 2465-2486.
Song L, Hu P, Chen W, et al. Increasing Trend of Summer Monsoonal Rainfall Tied to the Extension of the South China Sea Summer Monsoon Duration. Atmospheric Science Letters, 2025, 26(7): e1308.
A1: We appreciate the reviewer’s suggestion to include thermal and moisture characteristics as indicators for monsoon progression. Following the advice, we have revised the text and incorporated the suggested references (Zhang et al. 2012; Song et al. 2025) in Lines 75–77.
- Equation 2: This study takes multiple factors into account to characterize the seasonal evolution of the monsoon. However, this approach may render the physical meaning of the index somewhat ambiguous. How do these factors compare in terms of relative importance? Which factor plays the dominant role?
A2: We thank the reviewer for raising this important point. To address it, we conducted an additional analysis using a machine learning approach to compare the relative importance of the factors. A new figure and a dedicated subsection have been added, and relevant discussions are now included in Lines 262–286.
- Following up on the previous question, these factors were obtained by averaging over different spatial domains. What is the rationale for choosing these domains? In the article, the ranges are directly specified, but no explanation is provided for the selection. It should be noted that tropical atmospheric dynamics exhibit well-defined spatial and location relationship (Gill 1980). For instance, convective activity can excite westward-propagating equatorial Rossby wave responses, which in turn lead to the strongest southwesterlies being located to the west of the convection center (e.g., Wang et al. 2009).
Gill A E. Some simple solutions for heat‐induced tropical circulation. Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society, 1980, 106(449): 447-462.
Wang B, Huang F, Wu Z, et al. Multi-scale climate variability of the South China Sea monsoon: A review. Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans, 2009, 47(1-3): 15-37.
A3: We acknowledge the reviewer’s concern regarding the selection of spatial domains. We have now provided a clearer explanation for these choices and added relevant references (Gill 1980; Wang et al. 2009). Lines 137–142 and 157–162.
- The authors only analyzed changes over the period 1991–2020, which is rather short. Why not consider a longer time span, for example starting from 1979?
A4: We agree with the reviewer that a longer period would be ideal. However, due to data reliability, quality, and availability, we restricted our analysis to recent climatology (1991–2020). We have clarified this in the revised manuscript and also emphasized that future work will extend to longer historical and future projections as data availability improves.
- Figure 2: Although the timing of the seasonal transition is generally consistent, a closer look reveals that different variables are not perfectly synchronized. What causes this asynchrony, and how might it affect the CPM index?
A5: We agree with the reviewer’s observation. The asynchrony among variables reflects expected Gill-type dynamical adjustments versus thermodynamic and radiative memory processes (Gill, 1980; Wang et al., 2009). In our CPM index, we account for this by averaging across the five standardized change dates and reporting their spread as uncertainty, providing a stable and physically grounded estimate of onset and withdrawal. This clarification has been added to the revised text Line 216-222
- Does the monsoon transition timing (onset and withdrawal) defined in this manuscript show any significant correlation with the time series of surrounding regions and other monsoon subsystems? For example, many studies have indicated that the monsoon onset over the Bay of Bengal is significantly correlated with that over the South China Sea and India (Xing et al. 2016; Hu et al. 2022). If such calculations are difficult, the manuscript should at least include some discussion on this aspect.
Xing N, Li J, Wang L. Effect of the early and late onset of summer monsoon over the Bay of Bengal on Asian precipitation in May. Climate Dynamics, 2016, 47(5): 1961-1970.
Hu P, Chen W, Chen S, et al. The leading mode and factors for coherent variations among the subsystems of tropical Asian summer monsoon onset. Journal of Climate, 2022, 35(5): 1597-1612.
A6: We thank the reviewer for raising this important point. In response, we have expanded the discussion and incorporated the suggested references (Xing et al., 2016; Hu et al., 2022). A supplementary figure (Figure S-6) has also been added to illustrate related aspects (Lines 223–229). Fig S-6
- Some studies have already focused on the interdecadal delay of the South China Sea summer monsoon withdrawal in recent years. Is this delay related to the summer monsoon withdrawal over the Indochina Peninsula?
Wang X, Zhou W. Interdecadal variation of the monsoon trough and its relationship with tropical cyclone genesis over the South China Sea and Philippine Sea around the mid-2000s. Climate Dynamics, 2024, 62(5): 3743-3762.
A7: We appreciate the reviewer’s valuable suggestion. We have now discussed the potential link between the interdecadal delay of the South China Sea summer monsoon withdrawal and the Indochina Peninsula, with reference to Wang & Zhou (2024). Relevant sentences and citations have been added (Lines 223–224).
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1159-AC3
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1159', Brian Ayugi, 24 Apr 2025
This important study unravels the causation of delayed withdrawal of MSwM, with the role of SWJ and TEJ being listed as among the causes. The findings highlight significant insights for future research and point to policy shifts such as water resource management and agriculture. However, the study requires a few changes before it can be considered for publication. I have provided some anonymous feedback to help improve the quality of the article. My comments are as follows:
Comment 1# The main scientific abstract should precede the plain language summary
Comment 2# Could the authors elaborate more details about the previous studies that established the onset and withdrawal indices in Liner 70 to 78Comment 3# The datasets used in the current study have varying temporal and horizontal grid resolutions. Authors are urged to provide more details on how the products were pre-processed before being used for the analysis.
Comment 5# Conclusion needs to be strengthened, and details regarding the future studies and policy recommendations need to be provided. The conclusion in the current state is scant and does not provide detailed information regarding the work and takeaway message.
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AC1: 'Reply on CC1', KyawThan Oo, 29 Apr 2025
Firstly, we would like to say thank you for your suggestions and valued time for this. Now we are waiting for all reviewer suggestions and will revise as per you all suggested. Hope you will review again our revised manuscript next time. And we will also respond to all your suggestions point by point after the revision is done.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1159-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on CC1', KyawThan Oo, 29 Apr 2025
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CC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1159', Md. Arfan Ali, 30 Apr 2025
This study examines delayed monsoon withdrawal, highlighting the Somali Westerly Jet (SWJ) and Tropical Easterly Jet (TEJ) as key drivers, with implications for climate adaptation in agriculture and water management. To strengthen the manuscript, the following revisions are suggested:
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Expand the conclusion to clarify the mechanistic role of SWJ/TEJ interactions in withdrawal timing, propose policy measures (e.g., early warning systems), and identify unresolved research questions.
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Elaborate on data preprocessing, including regridding techniques, temporal adjustments, and bias corrections for reproducibility.
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Deepen the literature review by comparing existing monsoon withdrawal indices, their regional applicability, and limitations to better justify the current approach.
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Adjust figure scales symmetrically for improved clarity.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1159-CC2 -
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1159', Anonymous Referee #1, 17 Jul 2025
Comments:
This study examines interannual variation of the Mainland Indochina Southwest Monsoon (MSwM) withdrawal. The authors found that stronger subtropical westerly jet and weaker easterly jet could lead to delay of the monsoon withdrawal via modulating regional wind patterns. In addition, SST anomalies in the Indian Ocean could change the length of the monsoon season via modulating moisture transport. Results of this study are interesting and important. This manuscript can be accepted after several revisions.
The writing of this manuscript should be further improved, some of suggestions has been listed below.
Line 52: Base on--->Based on
Line 55: the (ISM delete "parenthesis"
Line 55: ISM should be presented in its full name
Lines 79-83: In addition to ENSO, recent studies have demonstrated that mid-high latitude systems also have significant impacts on ENSO, East Asian monsoon onset and withdrawal, which should also be briefly reviewed (Hu et al. 2020, 2025).
Hu et al. 2020: Extremely early summer monsoon onset in the South China Sea in 2019 following an El Niño event. Month Weather Review, 148, 1877–1890.
Hu et al. 2025: Asian-Pacific Summer Monsoon Variability and Atmospheric Teleconnection Patterns: Review and Outlook. Journal of Meteorological Research, 39(3), 653-674, doi: 10.1007/s13351-025-4222-2
Lines 226-227: To examine the possible role of ENSO and IOD in modulating monsoon onset, the authors should present SST anomalies pattern regressed upon the monsoon onset index.
Whether there exist a connection between the MSwM onset and withdrawal? I suggest examine this issue and add some discussions.
Line 390: are suggests that---> are suggesting that
The physical process for the impact of the weakening of the TEJ and intensification of the SWJ on the monsoon withdrawal could be examined in more details.
Do Arctic sea ice anomalies could exert impacts on monsoon withdrawal? Recent studies indicated that Arctic climat systems (e.g. Arctic sea ice and Arctic Oscillation) could exert significant impact on IOD and ENSO (Cheng et al. 2025; Chen et al. 2024). As this study indicated that ENSO and IOD can exert impacts on MSwM monsoon onset and withdrawal. I am wondering Arctic sea ice anomalies may play a role. I suggest add some discussions for future study.
Cheng et al. 2025: Influence of winter Arctic sea ice anomalies on the following autumn Indian Ocean Dipole development. Journal of Climate, 38(13), 3109-3129, https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-24-0419.1.
Chen et al. 2024: Interdecadal Variation in the Impact of Arctic Sea Ice on the El Niño-Southern Oscillation: The Role of Atmospheric Mean Flow. Journal of Climate, 37(21), 5483-5506, https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-23-0733.1.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1159-RC1 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC1', KyawThan Oo, 22 Jul 2025
We sincerely appreciate the time and effort you have dedicated to reviewing our manuscript. Your insightful comments and constructive suggestions have significantly improved the quality of this work. We have carefully addressed each of your concerns in the revised manuscript, with detailed responses provided point-by-point above.
We are particularly grateful for your suggestions on clarifying physical mechanisms, expanding discussions on Arctic connections, and improving the overall readability of the paper. Your expertise has been invaluable in shaping this study into a more robust and impactful contribution to the field.
Thank you again for your thoughtful review. We look forward to your feedback on the revised version.Response to Reviewer Comments
Q1 (Line 52): "Base on" → "Based on"
A1: Thank you for catching this typo. We have corrected it to "Based on" in the revised manuscript. Line 51.Q2 (Line 55): Delete the parenthesis around "ISM" "the ISM"
A2: We have removed the unnecessary parentheses as suggested. Line 55-56Q3 (Line 55): "ISM should be presented in its full name"
A3: We have now defined "Indian Summer Monsoon (ISM)" at its first mention for clarity. Line 55-56Q4 (Lines 79-83): "In addition to ENSO, recent studies have demonstrated that mid-high latitude systems also have significant impacts on ENSO, East Asian monsoon onset and withdrawal, which should also be briefly reviewed (Hu et al. 2020, 2025)."
A4: We appreciate this suggestion. A brief discussion of influences (citing Hu et al. 2020, 2025) has been added to the introduction. Line 79-81Q5 (Lines 226-227): "To examine the possible role of ENSO and IOD in modulating monsoon onset, the authors should present SST anomaly patterns regressed upon the monsoon onset index."
A5: We have now included the regression analysis of SST anomalies against the monsoon onset index in the revised manuscript. Fig-S10 and Line 457-459Q6: "Whether there exists a connection between the MSwM onset and withdrawal? I suggest examining this issue and adding some discussions."
A6: This is a valuable point. We have analyzed the relationship and added a new figure and sub paragraph discussing potential linkages between onset and withdrawal. Line 244-283"The interannual variations of the Mainland Indochina Southwest Monsoon (MSwM) onset and withdrawal dates from 1991 to 2020 reveal a clear divergence in behavior between the two phases when analyzed through thermodynamic and dynamic components using the CPM index (Fig. 4). The onset phase shows minimal long-term change, with weak regression slopes of +0.09 days/year for the thermodynamic component and +0.12 days/year for the dynamic component, both statistically insignificant (Fig. 4.b). In contrast, the withdrawal phase exhibits a significant delay, especially in the dynamic processes, with a regression slope of +0.80 days/year and a moderate correlation (R² = 0.35, CC = 0.59). The thermodynamic component also shows a positive trend, albeit weaker, at +0.45 days/year (R² = 0.21, CC = 0.46), indicating that dynamic atmospheric factors, such as upper-level wind changes, are increasingly contributing to the delayed monsoon withdrawal (Fig. 4.a).
The random forest analysis further supports these findings. For onset prediction, the Net heat flux (Net) and Moisture Flux Convergence (MFC) are the most important factors, reflecting the dominant role of thermodynamic processes (Fig. 4.c). For withdrawal prediction, however, the 850-hPa zonal wind (U) emerges as the most critical driver, followed by pressure gradient (dP), with MFC playing a secondary role (Fig. 4.d). Regarding seasonal rainfall, all five parameters (U, dP, MFC, Net, OLR) contribute relatively evenly (Fig. 4.e), highlighting the coupled influence of both dynamic and thermodynamic factors on rainfall variability.
The box-whisker plot (Fig. 4.f) shows that MFC and OLR tend to correspond with delayed withdrawal dates, suggesting that lingering moisture convergence and persistent convective activity can postpone the withdrawal phase. This aligns with previous findings that regional convective systems and late-season tropical cyclones (Akter & Tsuboki, 2014; Fosu & Wang, 2015; Oo et al., 2024) can sustain rainfall events even after large-scale monsoon winds weaken (Chou et al., 2009). These results collectively point to a dynamic-thermodynamic asymmetry: while monsoon onset is controlled primarily by energy build-up and moisture availability, the withdrawal is increasingly modulated by dynamic atmospheric circulation anomalies, such as upper-level wind changes and tropical disturbances from the South China Sea.
The analysis suggests that the two phases of monsoon are influenced by distinct mechanisms with weak interdependence. The onset phase remains stable over the study period, primarily driven by thermodynamic factors, while the withdrawal phase shows a significant delay due to dynamic factors (Fig. 4). This decoupling might be explained by different large-scale climate processes governing the two phases: onset is mainly linked to pre-monsoon land-sea thermal contrasts and moisture build-up, whereas withdrawal is more sensitive to post-monsoon circulation shifts, tropical cyclone activity, and upper-level wind anomalies. However, this finding also highlights the need for further research into potential indirect links, such as how early or late onsets may influence intra-seasonal rainfall breaks, which in turn could modulate withdrawal characteristics."
Q7 (Line 390): "are suggests that" → "are suggesting that"
A7: We have corrected this grammatical error to "are suggesting that." Line 409Q8: "The physical process for the impact of the weakening of the TEJ and intensification of the SWJ on the monsoon withdrawal could be examined in more details."
A8: We have expanded the discussion on dynamical mechanisms to clarify how TEJ weakening and SWJ intensification modulate monsoon withdrawal. Line 416-437"The weakening of the Tropical Easterly Jet (TEJ) and the concurrent intensification of the Subtropical Westerly Jet (SWJ) exert a pivotal control on the monsoon withdrawal process through modifications of the upper-tropospheric thermodynamic and dynamic structures. A pronounced negative trend in the 200 hPa zonal wind over the tropical belt signifies a weakening TEJ, while an enhanced westerly anomaly over the subtropics indicates a strengthening SWJ (Fig. 8.b and d). This shift reflects a northward migration of the jet core and a weakening of the upper-level Easterly ventilation, which reduces the divergent outflow critical for maintaining deep convection during the mature monsoon phase. The low-level wind trends (Fig. 8.a and c) depict a weakening of the 850 hPa monsoon westerlies, leading to reduced moisture convergence over the Indo-China Peninsula, as supported by the negative moisture flux convergence correlations. Furthermore, the suppressed ascending motion at mid-troposphere levels (Fig. 7.e), coupled with positive 500 hPa geopotential height anomalies (Fig. 7.f), signify the onset of mid-level atmospheric stabilization and the collapse of the monsoon thermal structure.
The vertical cross-sections reveal that during the late years, corresponding to delayed withdrawal events, the upper-tropospheric divergence weakens (associated with TEJ weakening), while the upper-level westerly shearing and subsidence induced by the intensified SWJ strengthen (Fig. 9.c and d) This enhanced subsidence promotes tropospheric drying and suppression of convection, which together act as a dynamical brake on the monsoon system, facilitating its withdrawal. Collectively, these findings exhibited the barotropic and baroclinic adjustments in the upper-level circulation, where the interaction between the weakening TEJ and the intensifying SWJ modifies the large-scale monsoon dynamics, disrupts the monsoon Hadley circulation, and accelerates the seasonal transition toward the dry post-monsoon regime. This conclusion lends credence to those earlier findings (Krishnamurti et al., 2012; Roxy et al., 2015). In addition, prior research has demonstrated the connection between sustained moisture transport and extended convective activity with the monsoon, which is supported by the positive link between moisture flux convergence and delayed monsoon withdrawal (Goswami et al., 2006). The atmospheric dynamics anomaly, specifically the weakening of the TEJ and the intensification of the SWJ, are significant variables influencing the noted trend of delayed monsoon withdrawal."
Q9: "Do Arctic sea ice anomalies exert impacts on monsoon withdrawal? Recent studies indicated that Arctic climate systems could influence IOD and ENSO (Cheng et al. 2025; Chen et al. 2024). I suggest adding some discussions for future study."
A9: We agree this is an important direction. A paragraph on potential Arctic linkages (citing Cheng et al. 2025 and Chen et al. 2024) has been added to the "Future Work" section. Line 469-476"The Aug-Sep SST of the tropical Pacific and Indian oceans and rainfall within October can also predict the MIC October rainfall. The negative correlation otherwise (La Niña) in the equatorial Pacific and the negative Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) mode are associated with exceeding rainfall over MIC (Fig. 10.d), which is a mark of an extended monsoon (as mentioned in Fig. 4). This association supports the earlier finding that increased SSTs are associated with extended rainfall during the late monsoon, especially in the central Pacific and the Indo-Pacific Warm Pool (Ghosh et al., 2009; Sabeerali et al., 2014). Furthermore, the pattern of connection is associated with the impact of global climate models like the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO), which changes regional SSTs and rainfall distributions in the Indo-Pacific area."
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AC2: 'Reply on RC1', KyawThan Oo, 22 Jul 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1159', Anonymous Referee #2, 19 Aug 2025
This manuscript investigated the factors modulating the withdrawal of the Southwest Monsoon over Mainland Indochina, as well as the recent interdecadal delay withdrawal. The topic is important, and the results are interesting. However, some issues remain to be explained before this manuscript can be published.
- Page 3 Lines 70-74: In addition to precipitation and circulation, the thermal and moisture characteristics of the atmosphere also serve as an important indicator for describing the progression of the monsoon season.
Zhang H, Liang P, Moise A, et al. Diagnosing potential changes in Asian summer monsoon onset and duration in IPCC AR4 model simulations using moisture and wind indices. Climate dynamics, 2012, 39(9): 2465-2486.
Song L, Hu P, Chen W, et al. Increasing Trend of Summer Monsoonal Rainfall Tied to the Extension of the South China Sea Summer Monsoon Duration. Atmospheric Science Letters, 2025, 26(7): e1308.
- Equation 2: This study takes multiple factors into account to characterize the seasonal evolution of the monsoon. However, this approach may render the physical meaning of the index somewhat ambiguous. How do these factors compare in terms of relative importance? Which factor plays the dominant role?
- Following up on the previous question, these factors were obtained by averaging over different spatial domains. What is the rationale for choosing these domains? In the article, the ranges are directly specified, but no explanation is provided for the selection. It should be noted that tropical atmospheric dynamics exhibit well-defined spatial and location relationship (Gill 1980). For instance, convective activity can excite westward-propagating equatorial Rossby wave responses, which in turn lead to the strongest southwesterlies being located to the west of the convection center (e.g., Wang et al. 2009).
Gill A E. Some simple solutions for heat‐induced tropical circulation. Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society, 1980, 106(449): 447-462.
Wang B, Huang F, Wu Z, et al. Multi-scale climate variability of the South China Sea monsoon: A review. Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans, 2009, 47(1-3): 15-37.
- The authors only analyzed changes over the period 1991–2020, which is rather short. Why not consider a longer time span, for example starting from 1979?
- Figure 2: Although the timing of the seasonal transition is generally consistent, a closer look reveals that different variables are not perfectly synchronized. What causes this asynchrony, and how might it affect the CPM index?
- Does the monsoon transition timing (onset and withdrawal) defined in this manuscript show any significant correlation with the time series of surrounding regions and other monsoon subsystems? For example, many studies have indicated that the monsoon onset over the Bay of Bengal is significantly correlated with that over the South China Sea and India (Xing et al. 2016; Hu et al. 2022). If such calculations are difficult, the manuscript should at least include some discussion on this aspect.
Xing N, Li J, Wang L. Effect of the early and late onset of summer monsoon over the Bay of Bengal on Asian precipitation in May. Climate Dynamics, 2016, 47(5): 1961-1970.
Hu P, Chen W, Chen S, et al. The leading mode and factors for coherent variations among the subsystems of tropical Asian summer monsoon onset. Journal of Climate, 2022, 35(5): 1597-1612.
- Some studies have already focused on the interdecadal delay of the South China Sea summer monsoon withdrawal in recent years. Is this delay related to the summer monsoon withdrawal over the Indochina Peninsula?
Wang X, Zhou W. Interdecadal variation of the monsoon trough and its relationship with tropical cyclone genesis over the South China Sea and Philippine Sea around the mid-2000s. Climate Dynamics, 2024, 62(5): 3743-3762.
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AC3: 'Reply on RC2', KyawThan Oo, 19 Aug 2025
Revierwe2#
This manuscript investigated the factors modulating the withdrawal of the Southwest Monsoon over Mainland Indochina, as well as the recent interdecadal delay withdrawal. The topic is important, and the results are interesting. However, some issues remain to be explained before this manuscript can be published.
We sincerely thank Referee for the constructive and insightful comments, which have greatly improved the quality of our manuscript. Below, we provide detailed responses to each point and indicate how we have revised the manuscript accordingly.
- Page 3 Lines 70-74: In addition to precipitation and circulation, the thermal and moisture characteristics of the atmosphere also serve as an important indicator for describing the progression of the monsoon season.
Zhang H, Liang P, Moise A, et al. Diagnosing potential changes in Asian summer monsoon onset and duration in IPCC AR4 model simulations using moisture and wind indices. Climate dynamics, 2012, 39(9): 2465-2486.
Song L, Hu P, Chen W, et al. Increasing Trend of Summer Monsoonal Rainfall Tied to the Extension of the South China Sea Summer Monsoon Duration. Atmospheric Science Letters, 2025, 26(7): e1308.
A1: We appreciate the reviewer’s suggestion to include thermal and moisture characteristics as indicators for monsoon progression. Following the advice, we have revised the text and incorporated the suggested references (Zhang et al. 2012; Song et al. 2025) in Lines 75–77.
- Equation 2: This study takes multiple factors into account to characterize the seasonal evolution of the monsoon. However, this approach may render the physical meaning of the index somewhat ambiguous. How do these factors compare in terms of relative importance? Which factor plays the dominant role?
A2: We thank the reviewer for raising this important point. To address it, we conducted an additional analysis using a machine learning approach to compare the relative importance of the factors. A new figure and a dedicated subsection have been added, and relevant discussions are now included in Lines 262–286.
- Following up on the previous question, these factors were obtained by averaging over different spatial domains. What is the rationale for choosing these domains? In the article, the ranges are directly specified, but no explanation is provided for the selection. It should be noted that tropical atmospheric dynamics exhibit well-defined spatial and location relationship (Gill 1980). For instance, convective activity can excite westward-propagating equatorial Rossby wave responses, which in turn lead to the strongest southwesterlies being located to the west of the convection center (e.g., Wang et al. 2009).
Gill A E. Some simple solutions for heat‐induced tropical circulation. Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society, 1980, 106(449): 447-462.
Wang B, Huang F, Wu Z, et al. Multi-scale climate variability of the South China Sea monsoon: A review. Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans, 2009, 47(1-3): 15-37.
A3: We acknowledge the reviewer’s concern regarding the selection of spatial domains. We have now provided a clearer explanation for these choices and added relevant references (Gill 1980; Wang et al. 2009). Lines 137–142 and 157–162.
- The authors only analyzed changes over the period 1991–2020, which is rather short. Why not consider a longer time span, for example starting from 1979?
A4: We agree with the reviewer that a longer period would be ideal. However, due to data reliability, quality, and availability, we restricted our analysis to recent climatology (1991–2020). We have clarified this in the revised manuscript and also emphasized that future work will extend to longer historical and future projections as data availability improves.
- Figure 2: Although the timing of the seasonal transition is generally consistent, a closer look reveals that different variables are not perfectly synchronized. What causes this asynchrony, and how might it affect the CPM index?
A5: We agree with the reviewer’s observation. The asynchrony among variables reflects expected Gill-type dynamical adjustments versus thermodynamic and radiative memory processes (Gill, 1980; Wang et al., 2009). In our CPM index, we account for this by averaging across the five standardized change dates and reporting their spread as uncertainty, providing a stable and physically grounded estimate of onset and withdrawal. This clarification has been added to the revised text Line 216-222
- Does the monsoon transition timing (onset and withdrawal) defined in this manuscript show any significant correlation with the time series of surrounding regions and other monsoon subsystems? For example, many studies have indicated that the monsoon onset over the Bay of Bengal is significantly correlated with that over the South China Sea and India (Xing et al. 2016; Hu et al. 2022). If such calculations are difficult, the manuscript should at least include some discussion on this aspect.
Xing N, Li J, Wang L. Effect of the early and late onset of summer monsoon over the Bay of Bengal on Asian precipitation in May. Climate Dynamics, 2016, 47(5): 1961-1970.
Hu P, Chen W, Chen S, et al. The leading mode and factors for coherent variations among the subsystems of tropical Asian summer monsoon onset. Journal of Climate, 2022, 35(5): 1597-1612.
A6: We thank the reviewer for raising this important point. In response, we have expanded the discussion and incorporated the suggested references (Xing et al., 2016; Hu et al., 2022). A supplementary figure (Figure S-6) has also been added to illustrate related aspects (Lines 223–229). Fig S-6
- Some studies have already focused on the interdecadal delay of the South China Sea summer monsoon withdrawal in recent years. Is this delay related to the summer monsoon withdrawal over the Indochina Peninsula?
Wang X, Zhou W. Interdecadal variation of the monsoon trough and its relationship with tropical cyclone genesis over the South China Sea and Philippine Sea around the mid-2000s. Climate Dynamics, 2024, 62(5): 3743-3762.
A7: We appreciate the reviewer’s valuable suggestion. We have now discussed the potential link between the interdecadal delay of the South China Sea summer monsoon withdrawal and the Indochina Peninsula, with reference to Wang & Zhou (2024). Relevant sentences and citations have been added (Lines 223–224).
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This important study unravels the causation of delayed withdrawal of MSwM, with the role of SWJ and TEJ being listed as among the causes. The findings highlight significant insights for future research and point to policy shifts such as water resource management and agriculture. However, the study requires a few changes before it can be considered for publication. I have provided some anonymous feedback to help improve the quality of the article. My comments are as follows:
Comment 1# The main scientific abstract should precede the plain language summary
Comment 2# Could the authors elaborate more details about the previous studies that established the onset and withdrawal indices in Liner 70 to 78
Comment 3# The datasets used in the current study have varying temporal and horizontal grid resolutions. Authors are urged to provide more details on how the products were pre-processed before being used for the analysis.
Comment 5# Conclusion needs to be strengthened, and details regarding the future studies and policy recommendations need to be provided. The conclusion in the current state is scant and does not provide detailed information regarding the work and takeaway message.