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Assessing supraglacial lake depth using ICESat-2, Sentinel-2, TanDEM-X, and in situ sonar measurements over Northeast Greenland
Abstract. Supraglacial lake development in Greenland consists of intricate hydrological processes, contributing not only to surface mass loss, but also to a lowering of the surface albedo and changes in ice dynamics. While the estimation of lake area has recently improved, the determination of the lake volume is essential to properly estimate the amount of water contained in and lost from supraglacial lakes throughout the melt seasons. In this study, four supraglacial lake depth estimation methods, including two new regression approaches, are presented and compared to each other. The first empirical equation is based on depth information gathered from ICESat-2 crossings over 19 lakes in Northeast and Southwest Greenland, whereas the second empirical equation uses in situ sonar tracks, providing depth information from four lakes on Zachariæ Isstrøm in Northeast Greenland. The depths from both equations are independently correlated to their corresponding Sentinel-2 reflectance values to create empirical relations. The third method is a standardly used radiative transfer model also based on Sentinel-2 data. Finally, the depths for five lakes in Northeast Greenland were derived from TanDEM-X digital elevation models after lake drainage. All four methods were applied to the five lakes for which digital elevation models were able to be procured, allowing for a direct comparison of the methods. In general, the sonar-based equation aligned best with the estimates from the digital elevation model until its saturation point of 8.6 m. Through the evaluation of the ICESat-2-based equation, a strong influence of lake bed sediment could be seen. The appropriately adapted equation produced slightly deeper depths than the sonar-based equation. The radiative transfer model more strongly overestimated nearly all depths below its saturation point of 16.3 m, when compared to the digital elevation model results. This large overestimation can be primarily attributed to the sensitivity of this method’s parameters. Furthermore, all methods, with the exception of the digital elevation model, were applied to an area in Northeast Greenland on the peak melt dates for the years 2016 to 2022. Finally, a closer look into the uncertainties for each method provides insight into associated errors and pitfalls when considering which method to use for supraglacial lake depth estimation. Overall, the use of empirically derived equations are shown to be capable of simplifying supraglacial lake depth calculations, while retaining sufficient accuracy under certain conditions.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-1244', Laura Melling, 17 Jun 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2024/egusphere-2024-1244/egusphere-2024-1244-RC1-supplement.pdf
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RC2: 'Quick edit to RC1', Laura Melling, 18 Jun 2024
My apologies, I forgot to include this reference:
Philpot, W. D.: Radiative transfer in stratified waters: a singlescattering approximation for irradiance, Appl. Optics, 26, 4123–4132, https://doi.org/10.1364/AO.26.004123, 1987.
L Melling
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-1244-RC2 - AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Katrina Lutz, 25 Jul 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Katrina Lutz, 25 Jul 2024
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RC2: 'Quick edit to RC1', Laura Melling, 18 Jun 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-1244', Devon Dunmire, 20 Jun 2024
- AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Katrina Lutz, 26 Jul 2024
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CC1: 'Comment on Lutz et al. (2024): "Assessing supraglacial lake depth using ICESat-2, Sentinel-2, TanDEM-X, and in situ sonar measurements over Northeast Greenland"', Philipp Arndt, 02 Jul 2024
I wholeheartedly agree with the two referees that this study is a very valuable contribution to the scientific community’s efforts to piece together the puzzle of how to combine multi-source remote sensing data to determine the depths and volumes of supraglacial lakes on the ice sheets with greater accuracy. This would allow researchers to better understand and model surface hydrological processes on the ice sheets and therefore has the potential to improve future projections of ice sheet mass balance and sea level rise. In particular, the in-situ sonar data presented in this study finally provides the community with much-needed calibration or validation data that overlaps with recent satellite observations. After a few relatively minor modifications, as suggested by the two referees, I would love to see this manuscript getting published in The Cryosphere.
I have one particular suggestion, which I believe would make the science presented in this study more open and accessible while also increasing its impact. I strongly encourage the authors to publish the underlying data (and ideally the code) to a publicly accessible repository that creates a permanent and citable DOI (such as Zenodo). To the best of my knowledge*, the sonar data is the only in-situ depth data of supraglacial lakes that overlaps with the Landsat 8 and Sentinel-2 missions. As such, it would be incredibly useful for the research community to have easy and free access to this data, and I would imagine that the authors of a number of future studies would use the data to motivate their own research or to validate their results.
I also believe that including a reference to Melling et al. (2024) would be very appropriate and useful to readers.
* Based on the following list of (non-single point) in-situ observations of supraglacial lake depth on the ice sheets. (Let me and the community know if you are aware of any that I am missing!)
- Box and Ski (2007): two lakes in Central West Greenland in Aug 2005
- Tedesco and Steiner (2011): one lake in West Greenland in July 2010
- Sneed and Hamilton (2011): one lake on Helheim Glacier in July 2008
- Legleiter et al. (2014): three supraglacial water bodies in West Greenland in July 2012
References:
Box, J. E., & Ski, K. (2007). Remote sounding of Greenland supraglacial melt lakes: implications for subglacial hydraulics. Journal of glaciology, 53(181), 257-265.
Legleiter, C. J., Tedesco, M., Smith, L. C., Behar, A. E., & Overstreet, B. T. (2014). Mapping the bathymetry of supraglacial lakes and streams on the Greenland ice sheet using field measurements and high-resolution satellite images. The Cryosphere, 8(1), 215-228.
Melling, L., Leeson, A., McMillan, M., Maddalena, J., Bowling, J., Glen, E., Sandberg Sørensen, L., Winstrup, M., and Lørup Arildsen, R.: Evaluation of satellite methods for estimating supraglacial lake depth in southwest Greenland, The Cryosphere, 18, 543–558, https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-18-543-2024, 2024.
Sneed, W. A., & Hamilton, G. S. (2011). Validation of a method for determining the depth of glacial melt ponds using satellite imagery. Annals of Glaciology, 52(59), 15-22.
Tedesco, M., & Steiner, N. (2011). In-situ multispectral and bathymetric measurements over a supraglacial lake in western Greenland using a remotely controlled watercraft. The Cryosphere, 5(2), 445-452.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-1244-CC1 -
AC2: 'Reply on CC1', Katrina Lutz, 25 Jul 2024
Thank you for your kind comment. We are completely in agreement that in situ data is an invaluable asset for calibrating or validating remote sensing data. We would be glad to share the sonar data we gathered in Northeast Greenland to support the community in advancing lake depth measurement techniques, especially since we understand that the cost and effort required to acquire such data is insurmountable for many groups. We have recently submitted our sonar data to the public repository PANGAEA and will attach the DOI to this manuscript as soon as it has been published.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-1244-AC2
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-1244', Laura Melling, 17 Jun 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2024/egusphere-2024-1244/egusphere-2024-1244-RC1-supplement.pdf
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RC2: 'Quick edit to RC1', Laura Melling, 18 Jun 2024
My apologies, I forgot to include this reference:
Philpot, W. D.: Radiative transfer in stratified waters: a singlescattering approximation for irradiance, Appl. Optics, 26, 4123–4132, https://doi.org/10.1364/AO.26.004123, 1987.
L Melling
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-1244-RC2 - AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Katrina Lutz, 25 Jul 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Katrina Lutz, 25 Jul 2024
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RC2: 'Quick edit to RC1', Laura Melling, 18 Jun 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-1244', Devon Dunmire, 20 Jun 2024
- AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Katrina Lutz, 26 Jul 2024
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CC1: 'Comment on Lutz et al. (2024): "Assessing supraglacial lake depth using ICESat-2, Sentinel-2, TanDEM-X, and in situ sonar measurements over Northeast Greenland"', Philipp Arndt, 02 Jul 2024
I wholeheartedly agree with the two referees that this study is a very valuable contribution to the scientific community’s efforts to piece together the puzzle of how to combine multi-source remote sensing data to determine the depths and volumes of supraglacial lakes on the ice sheets with greater accuracy. This would allow researchers to better understand and model surface hydrological processes on the ice sheets and therefore has the potential to improve future projections of ice sheet mass balance and sea level rise. In particular, the in-situ sonar data presented in this study finally provides the community with much-needed calibration or validation data that overlaps with recent satellite observations. After a few relatively minor modifications, as suggested by the two referees, I would love to see this manuscript getting published in The Cryosphere.
I have one particular suggestion, which I believe would make the science presented in this study more open and accessible while also increasing its impact. I strongly encourage the authors to publish the underlying data (and ideally the code) to a publicly accessible repository that creates a permanent and citable DOI (such as Zenodo). To the best of my knowledge*, the sonar data is the only in-situ depth data of supraglacial lakes that overlaps with the Landsat 8 and Sentinel-2 missions. As such, it would be incredibly useful for the research community to have easy and free access to this data, and I would imagine that the authors of a number of future studies would use the data to motivate their own research or to validate their results.
I also believe that including a reference to Melling et al. (2024) would be very appropriate and useful to readers.
* Based on the following list of (non-single point) in-situ observations of supraglacial lake depth on the ice sheets. (Let me and the community know if you are aware of any that I am missing!)
- Box and Ski (2007): two lakes in Central West Greenland in Aug 2005
- Tedesco and Steiner (2011): one lake in West Greenland in July 2010
- Sneed and Hamilton (2011): one lake on Helheim Glacier in July 2008
- Legleiter et al. (2014): three supraglacial water bodies in West Greenland in July 2012
References:
Box, J. E., & Ski, K. (2007). Remote sounding of Greenland supraglacial melt lakes: implications for subglacial hydraulics. Journal of glaciology, 53(181), 257-265.
Legleiter, C. J., Tedesco, M., Smith, L. C., Behar, A. E., & Overstreet, B. T. (2014). Mapping the bathymetry of supraglacial lakes and streams on the Greenland ice sheet using field measurements and high-resolution satellite images. The Cryosphere, 8(1), 215-228.
Melling, L., Leeson, A., McMillan, M., Maddalena, J., Bowling, J., Glen, E., Sandberg Sørensen, L., Winstrup, M., and Lørup Arildsen, R.: Evaluation of satellite methods for estimating supraglacial lake depth in southwest Greenland, The Cryosphere, 18, 543–558, https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-18-543-2024, 2024.
Sneed, W. A., & Hamilton, G. S. (2011). Validation of a method for determining the depth of glacial melt ponds using satellite imagery. Annals of Glaciology, 52(59), 15-22.
Tedesco, M., & Steiner, N. (2011). In-situ multispectral and bathymetric measurements over a supraglacial lake in western Greenland using a remotely controlled watercraft. The Cryosphere, 5(2), 445-452.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-1244-CC1 -
AC2: 'Reply on CC1', Katrina Lutz, 25 Jul 2024
Thank you for your kind comment. We are completely in agreement that in situ data is an invaluable asset for calibrating or validating remote sensing data. We would be glad to share the sonar data we gathered in Northeast Greenland to support the community in advancing lake depth measurement techniques, especially since we understand that the cost and effort required to acquire such data is insurmountable for many groups. We have recently submitted our sonar data to the public repository PANGAEA and will attach the DOI to this manuscript as soon as it has been published.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-1244-AC2
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