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Bayesian multi-proxy reconstruction of early Eocene latitudinal temperature gradients
Abstract. Accurately reconstructing large-scale palaeoclimate patterns from sparse local records is critical for understanding the evolution of Earth’s climate. Particular challenges arise from the patchiness, uneven spatial distribution, and disparate nature of palaeoclimatic proxy records. Geochemical data typically provide temperature estimates via transfer functions derived from experiments. Similarly, transfer functions based on the climatic requirements of modern taxa exist for some fossil groups, such as pollen assemblages. In contrast, most ecological and lithological data (e.g. coral reefs and evaporites) only convey information on broad climatic requirements. Historically, most large-scale proxy-based reconstructions have used either geochemical or ecological data, but few studies have combined multiple proxy types into a single quantitative reconstruction. Large spatial gaps in existing proxy records have often been bridged by simple averaging, without taking into account the spatial distribution of samples, leading to biased temperature reconstructions. Here, we present a Bayesian hierarchical model to integrate ecological data with established geochemical proxies into a unified quantitative framework, bridging gaps in the latitudinal coverage of proxy data. We apply this approach to the early Eocene climatic optimum (EECO), the interval with the warmest sustained temperatures of the Cenozoic. Assuming the conservation of thermal tolerances of modern coral reefs and mangrove taxa, we establish broad sea surface temperature ranges for EECO coral reef and mangrove sites. We integrate these temperature estimates with the EECO geochemical shallow marine proxy record to model the latitudinal sea surface temperature gradient and global average temperatures of the EECO. Our results confirm the presence of a flattened latitudinal temperature gradient and unusually high polar temperatures during the EECO, which is supported by high-latitude ecological data. We show that integrating multiple types of proxy data, and adequate prior information, has the potential to substantially reduce uncertainty in palaeoclimate reconstructions, allowing for unbiased temperature estimates from sparse data.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1188', Michiel Baatsen, 27 Jul 2023
The authors present a novel approach in an attempt to improve latitudinal temperature gradients from spatially scarce proxy estimates.
While their efforts can clearly help substantially towards better assessing and interpreting the available proxies, the authors do not provide a convincing case to support their claims regarding the early Eocene. The technicalities and implementation of the method is solid, but the results allow only for a limited assessment of its applicability. Many of the limitations considering these proxy estimates lie in the methods behind the proxies themselves, something that is not adequately addressed in my opinion. I would therefore like to see some more tests including the potential effects of e.g. seasonality, lacking upper/lower bounds, or differently-sourced temperatures (ML ocean, SST, SAT etc.).
Regardless, I believe that this study can substantially benefit the field and therefore suggest publication after some adjustments/additions.General remarks:
Introduction- spatial patterns and distribution are discussed in detail, but how is temporal variation covered?
When considering proxies within a certain interval, they may represent entirely different subsets of this interval and therefore not be compatible. - (L73) The introduction could use some background and references on Bayesian modelling and why one could expect this method to be a suitable tool to the problem raised.
Methods
- I assume the authors consider near-surface, surface or mixed layer ocean temperatures? I am missing some clarification and motivation here.
- Are the temperature limits mentioned considering yearly, seasonally, monthly or extreme values?
Especially towards higher latitudes, seasonal temperatures may be much more restrictive than yearly averages.
Model validation
- As the authors mention in the introduction, the spatial distribution of temperature estimates can greatly limit the skill of derived latitudinal gradients.
- In the model validation, is there a way to not only consider the shear amount of samples, but also their spatial clustering?
Looking at many random spatial distributions of temperature estimates, one may get a too optimistic view on how well they could capture the considered gradient.
Results
- Are hemispheric asymmetries considered? These may differ substantially between the current and Eocene climate.
- Somewhat philosophical question: considering the idealised profiles in Figure 1, one would hardly see any difference between the extreme icehouse, icehouse and present climate using the adopted method to determine the latitudinal temperature gradient. Were other measures explored in this sense?
- Looking at the main result in figure 4, I find it hard to see the added value of the method presented in this work.
The temperature estimates based on coral reefs in the tropics seem highly doubtful (this is briefly touched upon in the discussion), while information at higher latitudes is still extremely scarce.
Likely, the potential influence of seasonal biases in some high latitude proxies are potentially problematic for the method, this is again only briefly mentioned in the discussion.
In that sense, I am not convinced about the authors' claim that this method succeeds in providing an unbiased estimate of the latitudinal temperature gradient of the Early Eocene climate.
Specific Comments:
- L43: and strongly limited by the possibilities to determine temperature estimates from different proxies.
This is associated with many assumptions, the most important probably being that any relations found in present experiments still hold in the distant past. - L55: this is indeed the case in a general sense, but there are clear exceptions e.g. near fronts (e.g. the ACC or a WBC). How can we tell whether a certain proxy is representative of the surrounding region?
- L121: What is the motivation to use a normal distribution when it is known that the actual distribution is skewed?
Furthermore, the statistically derived temperature range falls well short of the potential maximum of 35.6C mentioned earlier, how is this consistent? - L146: What motivates the maximum value of 29.5C for mangroves? This may push tropical temperature ranges down considerably, and thus needs to be justified.
- L210: It is unclear to me how the emulated climatic states represent a realistic simulation. If these are highly idealised, they may not be suitable to purposefully test the bayesian model.
- L290: The us of the word 'modelled' is a bit ambiguous here, as the study still considers estimates from proxy-based data rather than numerical climate models.
The autors may instead consider using e.g. 'estimates from our Bayesian model', or 'proxy-based model estimates'. - L308: Considering hemispheres separately is new at this point and should therefore not be considered solely in the results section.
- L359: A big caveat here is that the inclusion of ecological constraints is highly dependent on the underlying assumption, something I feel is not adequately addressed here.
There is yet, however, sufficient discussion on several related aspects further down.
Figures:
- Figure 1: This figure needs some grid lines and coordinate labels.
- Figure 3: As shown clearly in this figure, equatorial temperatures are on average cooler than tropical temperatures.
This may be too detailed for the scope of the study, but this would suggest using average tropical temperatures rather than equatorial ones would be better suitable to estimate the latitudinal gradient. - Figure 2/4: It is described in the methods that the latitudinal gradient of the prior lies at middle latitudes, this is however very different from the emulated greenhouse climates.
In figure 4, we again see the maximum gradient shown at middle latitudes. This seems inconsistent with the emulator cases and also poses the question what determines this position?
A profile much like the one shown in the bottom panels of Figure 2 would likely result in highly different polar temperatures and thus gradients.
Tables
- Table 1: why not use the recently published DeepMIP model results for this estimate?
In this table, it should be explained better what the gradient means and at least have units (I assume degree C?). Is this a regression, a difference between points/regions?
Small remarks:
- L121: values are missing units (likewise in other distribution values further down).
- L291: usage of degC after the brackets is a bit awkward.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1188-RC1 - AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Kilian Eichenseer, 24 Sep 2023
- spatial patterns and distribution are discussed in detail, but how is temporal variation covered?
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1188', Anonymous Referee #2, 30 Jul 2023
The authors provide a novel quantitative method for reconstructing Eocene temperature gradients from sparse proxy data. The paper is well written, and the implementation is mostly solid, but I am not yet convinced of their claims for the early Eocene. In particular, I’m concerned that the authors may have overestimated their model’s skill by neglecting to include proxy biases and noise in their model’s validation. I would also appreciate a bit more context and/or justification for several methodological choices – such as the choice of a logistic model, and the sensitivity to the ecological parameters. That said, I think this paper has excellent potential to improve the paleoclimate field, and I recommend its acceptance following various revisions.
Comments:
Introduction – I would like some more context on the use of Bayesian models for paleoclimate reconstruction here. How have BHM’s been used before, and why are they a good choice for this reconstruction? Same for the choice of the logistic model. I thought there were some nice points in lines 320-330 that could be useful here.
Equations 2, 5, 6 - Similarly, I’d like more context for the choice of this model and its design. Is this logistic model’s design a common setup for paleoclimate? If so, some citations would be nice. If this is a completely novel approach, then I’d appreciate more discussion as to why the authors made these choices. By contrast, I appreciated the discussions around equations 7-10 and thought these were well justified.
119 – Have the authors done any sensitivity testing of the model’s ecological constraints?
One immediate example: The minimum and maximum temperatures used to define the coral distributions (21 – 29.5 C) seem to be drawn from the mean values listed in Table 3 of Kleypas et al., 1999. However, the range of extreme values listed in that table (16 – 34.4 C) is considerably broader and could also be a reasonable choice. Does using the broader range noticeably change the results of the analysis? If so, this should be noted.
211 - I would appreciate a slightly more detailed description of the gradients and how they were constructed.
216 – I’m concerned that this validation is neglecting the effects of bias and noise in the proxy data. The idealized gradients and limited spatial sampling are a great start, but the current setup seems to assume that proxy data is a perfect record of past temperature. In reality, this is not the case, and I would like to see the validation take this into account. Incorporating the effects of proxy seasonality and auto-regressive noise would be my two foremost concerns.
280 – I’m curious why the authors have limited the prior to the modern empirical gradient. Is there a reason for not using priors derived from Eocene climate model simulations?
301 – “the early Eocene data does not fit as well to the logistic latitudinal gradient model” - This begs the question of whether the logistic model is a reasonable choice here. Again, I'd suggest adding more context for the selection of this model.
This might be beyond the scope of the paper – but are there other models that might fit this data better?
Figure 3 – Please add R2, and sample size (N) to either the figure or the caption. Also, I suspect many of the grey dots are obscuring data points behind them. If this is the case, consider using a heatmap-style shading for the grey dots.
Minor notes:
83 - This sentence runs on a bit. Consider splitting.
93 - I think it would be best to reference Figure 1 in the text of this section.
121, 141, 149 – If I’m understanding this correctly, the standard deviations were selected specifically with the 97.5/95% distributions in mind. I'd suggest rewording slightly to clarify this point.
127 - Extra comma after “empirical”
138 - Remove “being”
139 - Is “ascribed” the right verb here? Perhaps “used” or “assumed” instead?
252 - Missing capitalization
254 - “where then” -> “were then”
256 - This paragraph changes tenses several times
260 - I believe this references Figure 4 before figures 2 and 3
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1188-RC2 - AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Kilian Eichenseer, 24 Sep 2023
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1188', Michiel Baatsen, 27 Jul 2023
The authors present a novel approach in an attempt to improve latitudinal temperature gradients from spatially scarce proxy estimates.
While their efforts can clearly help substantially towards better assessing and interpreting the available proxies, the authors do not provide a convincing case to support their claims regarding the early Eocene. The technicalities and implementation of the method is solid, but the results allow only for a limited assessment of its applicability. Many of the limitations considering these proxy estimates lie in the methods behind the proxies themselves, something that is not adequately addressed in my opinion. I would therefore like to see some more tests including the potential effects of e.g. seasonality, lacking upper/lower bounds, or differently-sourced temperatures (ML ocean, SST, SAT etc.).
Regardless, I believe that this study can substantially benefit the field and therefore suggest publication after some adjustments/additions.General remarks:
Introduction- spatial patterns and distribution are discussed in detail, but how is temporal variation covered?
When considering proxies within a certain interval, they may represent entirely different subsets of this interval and therefore not be compatible. - (L73) The introduction could use some background and references on Bayesian modelling and why one could expect this method to be a suitable tool to the problem raised.
Methods
- I assume the authors consider near-surface, surface or mixed layer ocean temperatures? I am missing some clarification and motivation here.
- Are the temperature limits mentioned considering yearly, seasonally, monthly or extreme values?
Especially towards higher latitudes, seasonal temperatures may be much more restrictive than yearly averages.
Model validation
- As the authors mention in the introduction, the spatial distribution of temperature estimates can greatly limit the skill of derived latitudinal gradients.
- In the model validation, is there a way to not only consider the shear amount of samples, but also their spatial clustering?
Looking at many random spatial distributions of temperature estimates, one may get a too optimistic view on how well they could capture the considered gradient.
Results
- Are hemispheric asymmetries considered? These may differ substantially between the current and Eocene climate.
- Somewhat philosophical question: considering the idealised profiles in Figure 1, one would hardly see any difference between the extreme icehouse, icehouse and present climate using the adopted method to determine the latitudinal temperature gradient. Were other measures explored in this sense?
- Looking at the main result in figure 4, I find it hard to see the added value of the method presented in this work.
The temperature estimates based on coral reefs in the tropics seem highly doubtful (this is briefly touched upon in the discussion), while information at higher latitudes is still extremely scarce.
Likely, the potential influence of seasonal biases in some high latitude proxies are potentially problematic for the method, this is again only briefly mentioned in the discussion.
In that sense, I am not convinced about the authors' claim that this method succeeds in providing an unbiased estimate of the latitudinal temperature gradient of the Early Eocene climate.
Specific Comments:
- L43: and strongly limited by the possibilities to determine temperature estimates from different proxies.
This is associated with many assumptions, the most important probably being that any relations found in present experiments still hold in the distant past. - L55: this is indeed the case in a general sense, but there are clear exceptions e.g. near fronts (e.g. the ACC or a WBC). How can we tell whether a certain proxy is representative of the surrounding region?
- L121: What is the motivation to use a normal distribution when it is known that the actual distribution is skewed?
Furthermore, the statistically derived temperature range falls well short of the potential maximum of 35.6C mentioned earlier, how is this consistent? - L146: What motivates the maximum value of 29.5C for mangroves? This may push tropical temperature ranges down considerably, and thus needs to be justified.
- L210: It is unclear to me how the emulated climatic states represent a realistic simulation. If these are highly idealised, they may not be suitable to purposefully test the bayesian model.
- L290: The us of the word 'modelled' is a bit ambiguous here, as the study still considers estimates from proxy-based data rather than numerical climate models.
The autors may instead consider using e.g. 'estimates from our Bayesian model', or 'proxy-based model estimates'. - L308: Considering hemispheres separately is new at this point and should therefore not be considered solely in the results section.
- L359: A big caveat here is that the inclusion of ecological constraints is highly dependent on the underlying assumption, something I feel is not adequately addressed here.
There is yet, however, sufficient discussion on several related aspects further down.
Figures:
- Figure 1: This figure needs some grid lines and coordinate labels.
- Figure 3: As shown clearly in this figure, equatorial temperatures are on average cooler than tropical temperatures.
This may be too detailed for the scope of the study, but this would suggest using average tropical temperatures rather than equatorial ones would be better suitable to estimate the latitudinal gradient. - Figure 2/4: It is described in the methods that the latitudinal gradient of the prior lies at middle latitudes, this is however very different from the emulated greenhouse climates.
In figure 4, we again see the maximum gradient shown at middle latitudes. This seems inconsistent with the emulator cases and also poses the question what determines this position?
A profile much like the one shown in the bottom panels of Figure 2 would likely result in highly different polar temperatures and thus gradients.
Tables
- Table 1: why not use the recently published DeepMIP model results for this estimate?
In this table, it should be explained better what the gradient means and at least have units (I assume degree C?). Is this a regression, a difference between points/regions?
Small remarks:
- L121: values are missing units (likewise in other distribution values further down).
- L291: usage of degC after the brackets is a bit awkward.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1188-RC1 - AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Kilian Eichenseer, 24 Sep 2023
- spatial patterns and distribution are discussed in detail, but how is temporal variation covered?
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1188', Anonymous Referee #2, 30 Jul 2023
The authors provide a novel quantitative method for reconstructing Eocene temperature gradients from sparse proxy data. The paper is well written, and the implementation is mostly solid, but I am not yet convinced of their claims for the early Eocene. In particular, I’m concerned that the authors may have overestimated their model’s skill by neglecting to include proxy biases and noise in their model’s validation. I would also appreciate a bit more context and/or justification for several methodological choices – such as the choice of a logistic model, and the sensitivity to the ecological parameters. That said, I think this paper has excellent potential to improve the paleoclimate field, and I recommend its acceptance following various revisions.
Comments:
Introduction – I would like some more context on the use of Bayesian models for paleoclimate reconstruction here. How have BHM’s been used before, and why are they a good choice for this reconstruction? Same for the choice of the logistic model. I thought there were some nice points in lines 320-330 that could be useful here.
Equations 2, 5, 6 - Similarly, I’d like more context for the choice of this model and its design. Is this logistic model’s design a common setup for paleoclimate? If so, some citations would be nice. If this is a completely novel approach, then I’d appreciate more discussion as to why the authors made these choices. By contrast, I appreciated the discussions around equations 7-10 and thought these were well justified.
119 – Have the authors done any sensitivity testing of the model’s ecological constraints?
One immediate example: The minimum and maximum temperatures used to define the coral distributions (21 – 29.5 C) seem to be drawn from the mean values listed in Table 3 of Kleypas et al., 1999. However, the range of extreme values listed in that table (16 – 34.4 C) is considerably broader and could also be a reasonable choice. Does using the broader range noticeably change the results of the analysis? If so, this should be noted.
211 - I would appreciate a slightly more detailed description of the gradients and how they were constructed.
216 – I’m concerned that this validation is neglecting the effects of bias and noise in the proxy data. The idealized gradients and limited spatial sampling are a great start, but the current setup seems to assume that proxy data is a perfect record of past temperature. In reality, this is not the case, and I would like to see the validation take this into account. Incorporating the effects of proxy seasonality and auto-regressive noise would be my two foremost concerns.
280 – I’m curious why the authors have limited the prior to the modern empirical gradient. Is there a reason for not using priors derived from Eocene climate model simulations?
301 – “the early Eocene data does not fit as well to the logistic latitudinal gradient model” - This begs the question of whether the logistic model is a reasonable choice here. Again, I'd suggest adding more context for the selection of this model.
This might be beyond the scope of the paper – but are there other models that might fit this data better?
Figure 3 – Please add R2, and sample size (N) to either the figure or the caption. Also, I suspect many of the grey dots are obscuring data points behind them. If this is the case, consider using a heatmap-style shading for the grey dots.
Minor notes:
83 - This sentence runs on a bit. Consider splitting.
93 - I think it would be best to reference Figure 1 in the text of this section.
121, 141, 149 – If I’m understanding this correctly, the standard deviations were selected specifically with the 97.5/95% distributions in mind. I'd suggest rewording slightly to clarify this point.
127 - Extra comma after “empirical”
138 - Remove “being”
139 - Is “ascribed” the right verb here? Perhaps “used” or “assumed” instead?
252 - Missing capitalization
254 - “where then” -> “were then”
256 - This paragraph changes tenses several times
260 - I believe this references Figure 4 before figures 2 and 3
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1188-RC2 - AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Kilian Eichenseer, 24 Sep 2023
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