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Changes in global teleconnection patterns under global warming and stratospheric aerosol intervention scenarios
Abstract. We investigate the potential impact of Stratospheric Aerosol Intervention (SAI) on the spatiotemporal behavior of large-scale climate teleconnection patterns represented by the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), El Niño/Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) indices using simulations from the Community Earth System Models (CESM1 and CESM2). The leading Empirical Orthogonal Function of sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies indicates that greenhouse gas forcing is accompanied by increases in variance across both the North Atlantic (i.e., AMO) and North Pacific (i.e., PDO) and a decrease over the tropical Pacific (i.e., ENSO); however, SAI effectively reverses these global warming-imposed changes. The projected spatial patterns of SST anomaly related to ENSO show no significant change under either global warming or SAI. In contrast, the spatial anomaly patterns pertaining to AMO (i.e., in the North Atlantic) and PDO (i.e., in the North Pacific) changes under global warming are effectively suppressed by SAI. For AMO, the low contrast between the cold-tongue pattern and its surroundings in the North Atlantic, predicted under global warming, is restored under SAI scenarios to similar patterns as in the historical period. The frequencies of El Niño and La Niña episodes increase with greenhouse gas emissions in the models, while SAI tends to compensate for them. All climate indices’ dominant modes of inter-annual variability are projected to be preserved in both warming and SAI scenarios. However, the dominant decadal and interdecadal variability mode changes induced by global warming are exacerbated by SAI, particularly in the Atlantic-based AMO.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-974', Anonymous Referee #1, 08 Dec 2022
In general, I would not recommend this manuscript for publication as-is. A lot of the claims made in the text are not supported by the data presented in the figures (more details in the major comments). I also have a few minor comments on typos and clarifications. I would gladly review a revision of the manuscript.
Major comments :
- L.295-7 The data shown in figure 6 does not support the conclusion that there is an increase in the peak interval, height, and width with SAI relative to GHG only. For CESM1, there is virtually no difference between the two. For CESM2, there are modest increases in the median value for some of the measures, but if you consider the upper and lower quantiles, the values are not that different. I would include more caveats in your statement. And unless there is in fact a significant difference, I would remove the arrows between the medians as I find some slightly misleading.
- L.320-3 The evidence for these claims do not seem very robust, given that the historical simulation has only one ensemble member. Is there a better way of quantifying the importance of the differences between the green and blue/red lines?
- L. 338 Why is the power of the historical NAO considerably smaller than that of the SSP585 and SAI runs?
- L. 344 Confused by the use of “counter-productive” here. It seems like the AMO in SSP585 is closer to historical than the SAI simulations (fig. 8e), but that is not the case for the NAO (fig. 8f).
- L.348 I am a little confused about how to interpret "the dominant 35-55 year mode in historical NAO" in fig 8f, given that its power is so much smaller than that of the SSP585 and SAI simulations.
- L.349-351, Maybe it is clearer to say that the 10-20 and 50-70 year modes present in the historical simulations are not present in both the SSP585 and SAI simulations, and the latter two are similar to eachother.
Minor comments :
Typo “relatted” figure 1
L.238-240 “broaden” typo?
L.290-1 With increases in greenhouse gases
L.298 CESM
Figure 6 CESM2 panel, 1.95 between panel h and k.
Figure 6, add in the title what the red line, box, and whiskers represent.
L.366 use 2xCO2 and 0.5xCO2
L.400 rephrase : how good each model’s simulations are?
L.422 usual -> more likely?
L.424 Explain “devil’s staircase” or remove.
L.442-3 Models are different from obs, but they are not “simulating a different system”.
L.445 actuality -> observations
L.447-8 rephrase, I am confused. Remove “that is … response of the system”?
L.468-9 I would remove the last sentence.
L.475 Some historical data cover more years than that.
L.489 impact them -> restore them?
L.498 Caution is warranted due to …
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-974-RC1 - AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Abolfazl Rezaei, 17 Dec 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-974', Anonymous Referee #2, 14 Dec 2022
This study assesses changes in large-scale modes of climatic variability, such as El Nino/Southern Oscillation (ENSO) under scenarios of feedback controlled stratospheric aerosol injection (SAI), as modelled in two versions of the Community Earth System Model (CESM). The study addresses an important research question, about which there has been little research and which I believe is of interest to the community. However, I would not recommend publication of the study in its current form, as there are several important revisions required to demonstrate that the results of this paper are robust, and to bring clarity to the writing and figures.
Firstly, changes in values of climate metrics are consistently interpreted as representing a forced response to SAI and/or warming without reference to significance testing, and without placing the magnitude of changes in the context of internal variability. For example, Figure 1(i) is described as showing that “SAI in CESM2 effectively restores the projected changes [in the PDO]” (line 223-224), but it is not clear from the figure that this is the case. There is a slight increase in the median, towards it’s historical value, under SAI, but the distribution as a whole as represented by the box and whiskers appears to see a decrease. No statistics are given from which to judge the significance of the change. Similarly, Figure 6 is described in the text (around lines 294-300), and implicitly by the red arrows marked on the figure, as showing changes in metrics of El Nino and La Nina, based on changes in medians between scenarios, some of which are very small and many of which sit well within the shown interquartile ranges. No quantification of the statistical distinguishability of the distributions behind the box plots is given.
This study mentions that in the only previous assessment of ENSO under SAI, by Gabriel and Robock (2015), SAI simulations may not have been long enough to detect changes. I assume that the large 20-member ensemble of GLENS may overcome this limitation, especially for short-period indices, since this represents ~1600 model-years. The authors should consider adding a discussion of whether this is the case, and for each index, the size of change which their analysis would allow them to detect. Perhaps the pre-industrial run for each model could be added to the analysis and used to characterize the tendency of each of these indices to vary on the timescales considered, to contextualise the scale of changes shown in figures 1 and 6. Some discussion of multiple testing is also necessary, since multiple indices, with multiple features of each are assessed. In the absence of any theoretical argument for why we might expect particular changes in these indices under SAI, there is a danger of cherry picking the largest changes amongst many noisy time series.
More clarity would be useful over how the authors intend to treat agreement and disagreement between the two models and their SAI simulations. It is suggested that (line 120) the two members of the CESM family are different enough to explore ‘a range of plausibly real climate impacts’. There is, however, no discussion of how these two members of the CESM family compare to the inter-model spread in representation of these climate indices in, e.g., the CMIP6 ensemble, and to observations. More models could be added using GeoMIP simulations, should the authors wish to do so (albeit for a different SAI scenario).
The findings of suppressed long-period variability in the AMO under SAI relative to both historical and warming, and the un-restored long-period variability in the PDO under SAI, in CESM2 are perhaps the starkest changes seen, and worth more discussion. However, they are found only a 3-member ensemble for one model, and as such, the authors should consider more strongly caveating their statements, particularly in the abstract (line 33).
Finally, the figures, particularly figure 1, are complex and difficult to interpret. The authors should consider which elements are needed to make their argument and which might be consigned to supplementary material.
Minor comments
- The authors could consider adding to Figs 2,3,4,5 a row showing differences under SAI, and an indication of significance of the magnitude this difference. Without such a row it is difficult to interpret the impact of SAI in these figures. The authors might also consider moving all these spatial figures to supplementary.
- Figure 8 shows a 100-fold increase in NAO power in the high frequency end of the spectrum between the historical and the SSP5-8.5/SAI scenarios. This result is not discussed in the text but is very surprising. The authors should explain what is happening here, and address whether the finding casts doubt on the ability of CESM2 to capture NAO variability.
- The authors might consider removing Figures 7 and 8a-d, since they are somewhat misleading in suggesting that the historical run differs from the other runs in the high period end of the spectrum when in fact it is simply too short to represent this part of the frequency space.
- For the supplementary figures S1-S4, the authors should consider grouping these plots by index rather than by simulation, and showing all simulations vertically for each index so that a comparison can be made. I would also suggest adding at least one of these index timeseries figures to the main body of the paper.
- Line 18 (and throughout): The authors might consider their use of the phrase “climate teleconnection patterns” to describe features such as the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-974-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Abolfazl Rezaei, 13 Jan 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2022/egusphere-2022-974/egusphere-2022-974-AC2-supplement.pdf
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-974', Anonymous Referee #1, 08 Dec 2022
In general, I would not recommend this manuscript for publication as-is. A lot of the claims made in the text are not supported by the data presented in the figures (more details in the major comments). I also have a few minor comments on typos and clarifications. I would gladly review a revision of the manuscript.
Major comments :
- L.295-7 The data shown in figure 6 does not support the conclusion that there is an increase in the peak interval, height, and width with SAI relative to GHG only. For CESM1, there is virtually no difference between the two. For CESM2, there are modest increases in the median value for some of the measures, but if you consider the upper and lower quantiles, the values are not that different. I would include more caveats in your statement. And unless there is in fact a significant difference, I would remove the arrows between the medians as I find some slightly misleading.
- L.320-3 The evidence for these claims do not seem very robust, given that the historical simulation has only one ensemble member. Is there a better way of quantifying the importance of the differences between the green and blue/red lines?
- L. 338 Why is the power of the historical NAO considerably smaller than that of the SSP585 and SAI runs?
- L. 344 Confused by the use of “counter-productive” here. It seems like the AMO in SSP585 is closer to historical than the SAI simulations (fig. 8e), but that is not the case for the NAO (fig. 8f).
- L.348 I am a little confused about how to interpret "the dominant 35-55 year mode in historical NAO" in fig 8f, given that its power is so much smaller than that of the SSP585 and SAI simulations.
- L.349-351, Maybe it is clearer to say that the 10-20 and 50-70 year modes present in the historical simulations are not present in both the SSP585 and SAI simulations, and the latter two are similar to eachother.
Minor comments :
Typo “relatted” figure 1
L.238-240 “broaden” typo?
L.290-1 With increases in greenhouse gases
L.298 CESM
Figure 6 CESM2 panel, 1.95 between panel h and k.
Figure 6, add in the title what the red line, box, and whiskers represent.
L.366 use 2xCO2 and 0.5xCO2
L.400 rephrase : how good each model’s simulations are?
L.422 usual -> more likely?
L.424 Explain “devil’s staircase” or remove.
L.442-3 Models are different from obs, but they are not “simulating a different system”.
L.445 actuality -> observations
L.447-8 rephrase, I am confused. Remove “that is … response of the system”?
L.468-9 I would remove the last sentence.
L.475 Some historical data cover more years than that.
L.489 impact them -> restore them?
L.498 Caution is warranted due to …
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-974-RC1 - AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Abolfazl Rezaei, 17 Dec 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-974', Anonymous Referee #2, 14 Dec 2022
This study assesses changes in large-scale modes of climatic variability, such as El Nino/Southern Oscillation (ENSO) under scenarios of feedback controlled stratospheric aerosol injection (SAI), as modelled in two versions of the Community Earth System Model (CESM). The study addresses an important research question, about which there has been little research and which I believe is of interest to the community. However, I would not recommend publication of the study in its current form, as there are several important revisions required to demonstrate that the results of this paper are robust, and to bring clarity to the writing and figures.
Firstly, changes in values of climate metrics are consistently interpreted as representing a forced response to SAI and/or warming without reference to significance testing, and without placing the magnitude of changes in the context of internal variability. For example, Figure 1(i) is described as showing that “SAI in CESM2 effectively restores the projected changes [in the PDO]” (line 223-224), but it is not clear from the figure that this is the case. There is a slight increase in the median, towards it’s historical value, under SAI, but the distribution as a whole as represented by the box and whiskers appears to see a decrease. No statistics are given from which to judge the significance of the change. Similarly, Figure 6 is described in the text (around lines 294-300), and implicitly by the red arrows marked on the figure, as showing changes in metrics of El Nino and La Nina, based on changes in medians between scenarios, some of which are very small and many of which sit well within the shown interquartile ranges. No quantification of the statistical distinguishability of the distributions behind the box plots is given.
This study mentions that in the only previous assessment of ENSO under SAI, by Gabriel and Robock (2015), SAI simulations may not have been long enough to detect changes. I assume that the large 20-member ensemble of GLENS may overcome this limitation, especially for short-period indices, since this represents ~1600 model-years. The authors should consider adding a discussion of whether this is the case, and for each index, the size of change which their analysis would allow them to detect. Perhaps the pre-industrial run for each model could be added to the analysis and used to characterize the tendency of each of these indices to vary on the timescales considered, to contextualise the scale of changes shown in figures 1 and 6. Some discussion of multiple testing is also necessary, since multiple indices, with multiple features of each are assessed. In the absence of any theoretical argument for why we might expect particular changes in these indices under SAI, there is a danger of cherry picking the largest changes amongst many noisy time series.
More clarity would be useful over how the authors intend to treat agreement and disagreement between the two models and their SAI simulations. It is suggested that (line 120) the two members of the CESM family are different enough to explore ‘a range of plausibly real climate impacts’. There is, however, no discussion of how these two members of the CESM family compare to the inter-model spread in representation of these climate indices in, e.g., the CMIP6 ensemble, and to observations. More models could be added using GeoMIP simulations, should the authors wish to do so (albeit for a different SAI scenario).
The findings of suppressed long-period variability in the AMO under SAI relative to both historical and warming, and the un-restored long-period variability in the PDO under SAI, in CESM2 are perhaps the starkest changes seen, and worth more discussion. However, they are found only a 3-member ensemble for one model, and as such, the authors should consider more strongly caveating their statements, particularly in the abstract (line 33).
Finally, the figures, particularly figure 1, are complex and difficult to interpret. The authors should consider which elements are needed to make their argument and which might be consigned to supplementary material.
Minor comments
- The authors could consider adding to Figs 2,3,4,5 a row showing differences under SAI, and an indication of significance of the magnitude this difference. Without such a row it is difficult to interpret the impact of SAI in these figures. The authors might also consider moving all these spatial figures to supplementary.
- Figure 8 shows a 100-fold increase in NAO power in the high frequency end of the spectrum between the historical and the SSP5-8.5/SAI scenarios. This result is not discussed in the text but is very surprising. The authors should explain what is happening here, and address whether the finding casts doubt on the ability of CESM2 to capture NAO variability.
- The authors might consider removing Figures 7 and 8a-d, since they are somewhat misleading in suggesting that the historical run differs from the other runs in the high period end of the spectrum when in fact it is simply too short to represent this part of the frequency space.
- For the supplementary figures S1-S4, the authors should consider grouping these plots by index rather than by simulation, and showing all simulations vertically for each index so that a comparison can be made. I would also suggest adding at least one of these index timeseries figures to the main body of the paper.
- Line 18 (and throughout): The authors might consider their use of the phrase “climate teleconnection patterns” to describe features such as the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-974-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Abolfazl Rezaei, 13 Jan 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2022/egusphere-2022-974/egusphere-2022-974-AC2-supplement.pdf
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