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Uncertainty analysis of single- and multiple-size-class frazil ice models
Abstract. The formation of frazil ice in supercooled waters has been extensively studied, both experimentally and numerically, in recent years. Numerical models, with varying degrees of complexity, have been proposed; these are often based on many parameters, the values of which are uncertain and difficult to estimate. In this paper, an uncertainty analysis of two mathematical models that simulate supercooling and frazil ice formation is carried out within a probabilistic framework. The two main goals are (i) to provide quantitative insight into the relative importance of contributing uncertain parameters, to help identify parameters for optimal calibration, and (ii) to compare the output scatter of frazil ice models with single and multiple crystal size classes. The derivation of single- and multi-class models is presented in light of recent work, their numerical resolution is discussed, and a list of the main uncertain parameters is proposed. An uncertainty analysis is then carried out in three steps. Parameter uncertainty is first quantified, based on recent field, laboratory and numerical studies. Uncertainties are then propagated through the models using Monte Carlo simulations. Finally, the relative influence of uncertain parameters on the output time series – i.e. the total frazil volume fraction and water temperature – is assessed by means of Sobol indices. The influence of input parameters on the long-term asymptotic as well as short-term transient evolution of the systems is discussed, depending on whether gravitational removal is included or not in the models.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1162', Mark Loewen, 18 Jan 2023
I really enjoyed reviewing this paper. It is well written and presents some very interesting and significant results regarding frazil ice generation. It includes an excellent review of previous models and related papers that was well organized and easy to follow. The paper requires only some minor revisions before it is acceptable for publication. I have provide minor comments in the attached PDF file.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Fabien Souillé, 16 Feb 2023
First of all, the authors would like to thank you for the constructive reviews, that helped us improve the quality of the manuscript. We have much appreciated your help in guaranteeing the accuracy and precision of assumptions and quantities mentioned in the text, as well as encouraging the clarity of the definitions and detailed explanations. We corrected the manuscript accordingly. Please find attached our responses to your remarks.
Best regards,
Fabien Souillé, on behalf of the authors.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Fabien Souillé, 16 Feb 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1162', David Rees Jones, 06 Feb 2023
The manuscript analyses sources of uncertainty in modelling frazil ice. Frazil-ice processes are complex but are geophysically significant in a range of cryospheric settings. The manuscript falls within the scope of The Cryosphere. The manuscript analyses a wide body of literature in a thorough and careful fashion and includes lots of helpful review/analysis. It then undertakes a systematic formal uncertainty analysis which is a worthwhile novel advance in the field; in contrast previous analysis was more ad hoc and based on a limited exploration of parameter space. The manuscript compares single and multiple-size-class models and finds that (within the types of experiments considered), single-class models can be tuned to match the results of multiple-size-class models. Different sources of uncertainty in different types of models are systematically quantified and discussed. While the type of calculations are limited to examples motivated by simple laboratory experiments (and the picture may be more complex in the field), this study achieves significant and worthwhile results within its context. The paper is well written, thorough and insightful and should be published subject to the minor comments attached.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Fabien Souillé, 16 Feb 2023
First of all, the authors would like to thank you for the constructive reviews, that helped us improve the quality of the manuscript,. In particular, we appreciated your remarks about the clarity of notations, the justification of numerical choices, and the clarity of modelling assumptions, and have made changes to the text accordingly. Please find attached our responses to your remarks.
Best regards,
Fabien Souillé, on behalf of the authors.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Fabien Souillé, 16 Feb 2023
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Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1162', Mark Loewen, 18 Jan 2023
I really enjoyed reviewing this paper. It is well written and presents some very interesting and significant results regarding frazil ice generation. It includes an excellent review of previous models and related papers that was well organized and easy to follow. The paper requires only some minor revisions before it is acceptable for publication. I have provide minor comments in the attached PDF file.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Fabien Souillé, 16 Feb 2023
First of all, the authors would like to thank you for the constructive reviews, that helped us improve the quality of the manuscript. We have much appreciated your help in guaranteeing the accuracy and precision of assumptions and quantities mentioned in the text, as well as encouraging the clarity of the definitions and detailed explanations. We corrected the manuscript accordingly. Please find attached our responses to your remarks.
Best regards,
Fabien Souillé, on behalf of the authors.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Fabien Souillé, 16 Feb 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1162', David Rees Jones, 06 Feb 2023
The manuscript analyses sources of uncertainty in modelling frazil ice. Frazil-ice processes are complex but are geophysically significant in a range of cryospheric settings. The manuscript falls within the scope of The Cryosphere. The manuscript analyses a wide body of literature in a thorough and careful fashion and includes lots of helpful review/analysis. It then undertakes a systematic formal uncertainty analysis which is a worthwhile novel advance in the field; in contrast previous analysis was more ad hoc and based on a limited exploration of parameter space. The manuscript compares single and multiple-size-class models and finds that (within the types of experiments considered), single-class models can be tuned to match the results of multiple-size-class models. Different sources of uncertainty in different types of models are systematically quantified and discussed. While the type of calculations are limited to examples motivated by simple laboratory experiments (and the picture may be more complex in the field), this study achieves significant and worthwhile results within its context. The paper is well written, thorough and insightful and should be published subject to the minor comments attached.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Fabien Souillé, 16 Feb 2023
First of all, the authors would like to thank you for the constructive reviews, that helped us improve the quality of the manuscript,. In particular, we appreciated your remarks about the clarity of notations, the justification of numerical choices, and the clarity of modelling assumptions, and have made changes to the text accordingly. Please find attached our responses to your remarks.
Best regards,
Fabien Souillé, on behalf of the authors.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Fabien Souillé, 16 Feb 2023
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Fabien Souillé
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