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Meteoroids as a source of metal ion clouds in Earth’s upper thermosphere
Abstract. Advances in lidar technology have enabled the detection of Metal Ion Clouds (MICs) at altitudes between 120–300 km in the Earth’s thermosphere. Observations from a Ca+ lidar in Beijing, China, reveal that these MICs are characterized by tightly packed, stripe-like structures that span extensive areas, covering hundreds to thousands of square kilometers. Some of these stripes extend downward to the Main Metal Layer (MML) around 100 km, and some clouds descend with tidal winds and merge into the underlying MML. While arriving the altitudes of Mesosphere and Low-Thermosphere (MLT), they lead to an increase in Sporadic-E (Es) layer density, and even trigger the formation of a new Es layer. The metal ions in the upper thermosphere will eventually sink into the MML and significantly affect its density variations. The striped structure of MICs and their direct effects on Es and MML suggest they originate from meteoroid trails, challenging traditional views on meteoric input.
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- RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2356', Robin Wing, 01 Jun 2026
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2356', Anonymous Referee #2, 06 Aug 2026
Review comments on “Meteoroids as a source of metal ion clouds in Earth’s upper thermosphere” by Chen et al. to ACP
The lidar observational data of Ca+ ion layers from Beijing used in this manuscript are not new because the major cases have been reported and discussed by Jiao et al. (2022) as the thermosphere-ionosphere Ca+ (TICa+) layers. Later, Jiao et al. (2026) published a statistical study of TICa+ data from Beijing. The Beijing lidar data of Ca+ ions are very valuable and have provided new opportunities for the science community to study and understand the midlatitude ionosphere and its coupling with the thermosphere and mesosphere.
However, this current ACP manuscript ignored the detailed studies of TICa+ by Jiao and co-workers in critically peer-reviewed journal papers and of other thermosphere-ionosphere metal (TIMt) layers by many researchers, especially their arguments in those papers why meteoroids could not be the direct source of these TICa+ and other TIMt layers. Consequently, this manuscript proposed a new explanation, based on speculations and misunderstanding of many aspects of metal layer and meteor studies, which was basically against first-principle studies of meteoroid sputtering and ablation by Plane and co-workers as well as many other researchers over decades. The picture/explanation described in its abstract and main text is wrong, opposite to the observational facts and numerical modeling results by various researchers over many decades. Therefore, this paper should be rejected completely.
Below we provide some details for several major points --
- The major error and misunderstanding in this manuscript lie in sputtering and ablation of meteoroids, the resultant injection rates of metals & their altitude distribution. By now it is a common knowledge in the science field that the injection rates of metals (including Fe, Na, Ca, Al, Ti, K, Mg, Si, Ni) from meteoroids above 120 km are negligible due to the Earth’s atmosphere low densities and it is impossible to form the densities of metal ions and metal atoms observed by lidars. Let’s quote the following text from Chu and Yu (2017) –
“To provide a quantitative concept, we take the latest calculation results from Carrillo-Sanchez et al. (2016), which give the Fe injection rates of about 1.7x10-5, 3.2x10-6, 4.7x10-7, and 5.0x10-8 cm-3s-1 at respectively 125, 150, 200, and 300 km for the Planck distribution. Then we compute the average Fe densities for 1 day of continuous accumulation without any loss by downward transport. … The resulting absolute Fe densities are respectively 1.5, 0.28, 0.04, and 0.004 cm-3at these four altitudes.” – Note that such Fe densities are at least two orders of magnitude smaller than Fe lidar observations (Chu et al., 2011).
According to Carrillo-Sanchez et al. (2020) (see their Figure 3), the injection rate of Ca is even 1-2 orders of magnitude smaller than that of Fe because Ca is a minor species when compared to the major metal species of Fe, Mg, and Si. Thus, direct meteoroids’ sputtering and ablation is an impossible path to produce Ca+ ions with lidar-observed densities from 120-300 km.
Worth noting that studies of meteoroid sputtering and ablation have been ongoing for decades by many researchers. Plane (2026) summarizes how the metal injection rate profiles were derived from the first-principle model CABMOD that integrates laboratory simulations and an astronomical dust model. Because of such solid history, the science community understands that meteoroids cannot be a direct source to the lidar-observed Ca+ ion layers that exhibit obvious vertical motions with various periods.
- The lidar-observed TICa+ layers over Beijing are intriguing and challenging the community’s understanding on ion transport and layer formation. Authors had a good intention of trying to advance the understanding via proposing an explanation different from the mainstream. However, their meteoroid explanation as proposed in the manuscript is baseless. Some of their reasons are caused by some misunderstanding of metal layers’ transport. For example, metal layers’ transport is three dimensional (3-D), so horizontal transport should be considered. For a single lidar beam vertically pointing, horizontal transport can cause advection of TICa+ metal layers (formed from other locations) to pass over the lidar team, leading to some Ca+ layers (like Figure 1a) that have no connection to the main layers.
- Regional vertical ion transport is still possible as demonstrated in Chu and Yu (2017) for Antarctica and discussed by Jiao et al. (2022) and Chu et al. (2021) for midlatitudes, although many more studies are needed to get to the bottom of the mechanisms. We strongly encourage authors to study those papers and numerous papers cited there, including various modeling papers and observations.
These papers have established a self-consistent picture that the meteoroids mainly deposit metals to the main deposition region (~80-115 km), including both neutral metals and metal ions. Driven by electric fields and neutral winds, the metal ions can be transported upward to several hundreds of kilometers (see Figures in Chu & Yu (2017)) and then descend and are converged by neutral wind shears under geomagnetic fields to form metal ion layers, i.e., TIMt+ layers, such as TICa+ layers. Neutralization of these converged metal ion layers can produce neutral TIMt layers. The metal ion transport by neutral winds and electric fields can form sporadic E layers in both the upward and downward transport processes.
Although the midlatitude electric fields are in general smaller than the polar and equatorial regions, there are several mechanisms that may enhance the E-fields as discussed in Jiao et al. (2022) and papers cited there. These mechanisms include at least sporadic E layers and gravity waves. We encourage authors to study those papers and perhaps make progress.
- Quite some features in the TICa+ shown in Figure 1 of this manuscript and in Jiao et al. (2022, 2026) have clearly suggested vertical (and horizontal) ion transport from the main deposition layer region to several 100s km and vice versa. Figures 1b, 1c, and 1d were discussed in Jiao et al. (2022) showing repeated up and down transport with connections to the main layers. Such features cannot be caused by meteoroids but by dynamical/electrodynamical processes in the ionosphere-thermosphere region, such as neutral winds, electric fields, and gravity waves along with the interactions between the F region and the sporadic E layers. Additionally, Jiao et al. (2026) reported “dawn” type TICa+ layers to 180 km, which correspond to the predawn TINa layers observed over Boulder (also a midlatitude site) by Chu et al. (2021) and Chu and Chen (2025). These predawn or dawn-type metal layers occur regularly (basically every day) before the sunrise. Meteoroids cannot have such regular occurrence.
- Worth noting that the Beijing lidar data of TICa+ were taken with a Ca+ lidar who frequency wasn’t locked. Sometimes the laser frequency might drift or fluctuate, which could cause vertical stripes in Ca+ density data.Jiao et al. (2026) presented a detailed discussion about this point, although the case in their Figure 7 ruled out the laser frequency drift.
References used in the review comments –
- Carrillo-Sánchez, J. D., Gómez-Martín, J. C., Bones, D. L., Nesvorný, D., Pokorný, P., Benna, M., Flynn, G. J., & Plane, J. M. C. (2020). Cosmic dust fluxes in the atmospheres of Earth, Mars, and Venus. Icarus, 335, 113395. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.icarus.2019.113395
- Carrillo-Sánchez, J. D., Nesvorný, D., Pokorný, P., Janches, D., & Plane, J. M. C. (2016). Sources of cosmic dust in the Earth's atmosphere. Geophysical Research Letters, 43, 11979–11986. https://doi.org/10.1002/2016GL071697
- Chu, X., Yu, Z., Gardner, C. S., Chen, C., & Fong, W. (2011). Lidar observations of neutral Fe layers and fast gravity waves in the thermosphere (110–155 km) at McMurdo (77.8°S, 166.7°E), Antarctica. Geophysical Research Letters, 38(23), L23807. https://doi.org/10.1029/2011GL050016
- Chu, X., & Yu, Z. (2017). Formation mechanisms of neutral Fe layers in the thermosphere at Antarctica studied with a thermosphere-ionosphere Fe/Fe+ (TIFe) model. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 122(6), 6812–6848. https://doi.org/10.1002/2016JA023773
- Chu, X., Chen, Y., Cullens, C. Y., Yu, Z., Xu, Z., Zhang, S., Huang, W., Jandreau, J., Immel, T. J., & Richmond, A. D. (2021). Midlatitude thermosphere–ionosphere Na (TINa) layers observed with high-sensitivity Na Doppler lidar over Boulder (40.13°N, 105.24°W). Geophysical Research Letters, 48(11), 1–10. https://doi.org/10.1029/2021GL093729
- Chu, X., & Chen, Y. (2025). Lidar discovery of annual and semiannual oscillations of thermosphere-ionosphere Na (TINa) layers and the first Na climatology of 75–150 km: Connections to metallic ions, wave and eddy transport, and meteoric influx. Geophysical Research Letters, 52, e2025GL117844. https://doi.org/10.1029/2025GL117844
- Jiao, J., Chu, X., Jin, H., Wang, Z., Xun, Y., Du, L., Zheng, H., Wu, F., Xu, J., Yuan, W., Yan, C., Wang, J., & Yang, G. (2022). First lidar profiling of meteoric Ca+ ion transport from ~80 to 300 km in the midlatitude nighttime ionosphere. Geophysical Research Letters, 49(18), e2022GL100537. https://doi.org/10.1029/2022GL100537
- Jiao, J., Jia, H., & Xun, Y. (2026). Lidar observations of thermosphere‐ionospheric Ca+ at Beijing (116.02E, 40.42N), China. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 131, e2025JA034560. https://doi.org/10.1029/2025JA034560
- Plane, J. M. C. (2026). Mesospheric-Metal layers. In Reference Module in Earth Systems and Environmental Sciences. Elsevier. https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-323-96026-7.00013-8
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2026-2356-RC2 -
EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2356', Peter Haynes, 07 Aug 2026
Writing as Editor responsible for this paper, I regret that it has taken a long time to obtain two reviews of your paper. However, now that we have two independent reviews, I see that both reviewers are skeptical of your hypothesis that the observed structures originate from meteoroid trails.
Referee 1: 'Unfortunately, I think it unlikely that these vertical stripes are the results of meteor trails. More quantitative analysis is required to make a strong case.'
Referee 2: 'However, this current ACP manuscript ignored the detailed studies ... thermosphere-ionosphere metal (TIMt) layers by many researchers, especially their arguments in those papers why meteoroids could not be the direct source of these TICa+ and other TIMt layers.'
Your abstract notes that your hypothesis challenges traditional views on meteoric input -- and of course it is always interesting when traditional views are challenged -- but my impression from the reports is that the reviewers do not find your arguments in support of the hypothesis convincing and that significantly more work would be needed to change this situation.
The ACP procedure is that it is up to you -- the authors -- to decide whether to submit a revised manuscript. However, my impression is that the changes that would be required to your manuscript to make it convincing to referees are very substantial and my initial advice is that it may be better, in due course, to submit a new manuscript including new evidence and arguments, rather than attempting to revise the current manuscript.
I will be happy to discuss this further by email if you wish.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2026-2356-EC1
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Review: Meteoroids as a source of metal ion clouds in Earth’s upper thermosphere
The authors present an excellent, high-quality, set of Ca+ observations from the lidar in Beijing. They note several cases where interesting vertical structures in the Ca+ measurements extend upwards from the main metal layer (MML) and suggest that these stripes could be due to meteor trails. The authors support their theory with observations of Total electron content from a co-located ionosonde and horizontal wind measurements at 250 km from an FPI.
I share the author’s interest in these fine layered features shown in the manuscript. They are a very peculiar structures which hints at some very complex underlying physics and definitely worthy of more study. Unfortunately, I think it unlikely that these vertical stripes are the results of meteor trails. More quantitative analysis is required to make a strong case.
A Case Against Meteor Trails:
Minor points:
L38: I suggest: “When meteoroids and space debris…” space debris is becoming significant and a topic of interest
L46: replace “non-metal species” with a more specific list.
Figure 2: matching the time between the lidar and Ionosonde for each measurement makes it easier for the reader to follow.
L136-137: Be careful of making causation statements. The physics is complex such statements should be strongly supported.
L137-139: A quantitative would be more convincing.
L139-140: All data access statements can be put at the end in the Data Availability Section.
L148: A quantitative timeseries analysis would be stronger proof.
L151: Good to keep in mind that these structures are very larger with complicated (and unknown) 3D shapes.
L154-155: Yes, a quantitative analysis would strengthen this point.
Figure 3: This figure is quite complex. It took me several minutes to completely understand what was happening. I would suggest reducing the complexity. Perhaps one case per figure?
L198-200: Be careful with correlation and causation. To make the case for causation I would prefer to see more quantitative analysis.
Figure 5: Don’t overinterpret the small bend in the MSIS density curve. MSIS semi-empirical, climatological model. It can’t be expected to accurately show the state of the atmosphere in real time.
L246-247: The change I density scale height is not really large enough to create a big difference in the ablation. The absolute density is the important thing. The formation of the MMLs has much more to do with the chemistry than the density. The framing of the MML formation is a bit strange here. See any paper by Plane et al.
General comment:
The structure of the paper presenting multiple cases is a bit difficult to follow. I would consider restructuring how case studies are presented to make it easier for a reader to quickly see the points you want to make.
Vondrak, T., Plane, J. M. C., Broadley, S., and Janches, D.: A chemical model of meteoric ablation, Atmos. Chem. Phys., 8, 7015–7031, https://doi.org/10.5194/acp-8-7015-2008, 2008.
Hill, K.A., Rogers, L.A. & Hawkes, R.L. Sputtering and high altitude meteors. Earth Moon Planet 95, 403–412 (2004). https://doi.org/10.1007/s11038-005-9018-x
Chu, X., Nishimura, Y., Xu, Z., Yu, Z., Plane, J. M. C., Gardner, C. S., & Ogawa, Y. (2020). First simultaneous lidar observations of thermosphere- ionosphere Fe and Na (TIFe and TINa) layers at McMurdo (77.84°S, 166.67°E), Antarctica with concurrent measurements of aurora activity, enhanced ionization layers, and converging electric field. Geophysical Research Letters, 47, e2020GL090181. https://doi.org/10.1029/2020GL090181