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Reconstruction of mass balance and firn stratigraphy during the 1996–2011 warm period at high-altitude on Mt. Ortles, Eastern Alps: a comparison of modelled and ice core results
Abstract. Paleoclimatic glacial archives in low-latitude mountain regions are increasingly affected by melt, which leads to heavy percolation and can remove snow and firn accumulated across months, seasons or even years. Proxy system models, used for improved interpretation of glacial proxies and paleoclimatic reconstructions, generally do not account for melt because they are optimized for sites where snow layer removal by melting is negligible. In this paper, we present a mass balance model applied to the Mt. Ortles drilling site, at 3859 m a.s.l. in the Eastern Italian Alps, with the aim of building a pseudo proxy of atmospheric conditions during the formation of snow layers survived to ablation. This pseudo proxy is useful for improved dating and environmental interpretation of firn layers (<15 m depth), affected by significant melt in the period 1996–2011, which includes the extremely warm summer 2003. Here we show that the model significantly improves the interpretation of the firn stratigraphy. This is fundamental for detecting melted layers and for refining the dating of the core based on traditional annual layer counting of stable isotope and pollen seasonal oscillations.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-729', Peter Neff, 25 Apr 2025
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The authors present a novel approach to surmount the challenge of interpreting altered paleoclimate records such as the ice cores recovered from Mt. Ortles. This is a worthy pursuit, as recovering paleoclimate information from fast changing polar and alpine regions must be done before information is obscured outright by increasing temperatures and increased ablation and meltwater alteration of chemical snow and ice stratigraphy.
Carturan et al make a useful advance in understanding the Ortles records, where some time periods in the core are missing due to less snow accumulation and/or increased melt. The approach models the mass balance history and firn stratigraphy at the site from 1996-2011 to reproduce stratigraphy observed in the firn/ice core records and check interpretation of those samples against their model based expectation of what is preserved in the stratigraphy. The model approach appears well calibrated against accumulation as observed at an automated weather station and the drilling site, despite considerable inter annual variability in mass balance.
This modeling approach importantly provides a somewhat independent verification of the annual layer counting based on water stable isotopes and pollen concentrations. This will help going forward in considering uncertainty in the climate interpretation of the pollen and water isotope data, giving some sense of uncertainty due to dating error.
I have few direct concerns about the approach and manuscript, and indeed consider it a valuable contribution to the discipline that we’d do well to apply to similar sites such as our work at Mount Waddington, British Columbia, Canada.
-Peter Neff
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-729-RC1
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