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A monograph in astrogeodetic orientation in the current era of satellite positioning technology
Abstract. In recent years, classic surveying astronomy has begun to take interest in published literature. The original authoritative textbooks and manuals on astrogeodetic surveying are perceived to be outdated and obsolete since the advent of satellite positioning and are scarce or impossible to find. Before satellite positioning, surveyors relied on rigorous drawn-out methods of precise astronomical surveying. This recent surge of interest appears to be directed toward astronomical levelling in the determination of the deflection of the vertical in modelling the geoid. Additionally, there has been a spate of literature on astronomic, geodetic, and grid azimuths. An azimuth is a line measured clockwise from the north point. Astronomic azimuth is the line measured in a clockwise direction from the north astronomic pole to a celestial body, and the line pointing to the celestial body forms a great circle through the zenith of the observer, intersecting the observer’s astronomic longitude. The astronomic azimuth is referenced to a local (astronomic) horizon coordinate system perpendicular to the local gravity vector. To illustrate the procedures for astronomical observations, an actual night observation of a star done by the author in May of 1998 was used. This work is intended to show the modern surveyor how field astrometric observations were done before the advent of satellite positioning, and to understand the fundamentals of astrogeodetic methods that has become a lost art and science.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-5180', Anonymous Referee #1, 02 Dec 2025
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', David Rolbiecki, 03 Dec 2025
Thank you, sir! Yes, you are absolutely right. This figure was based off of Nassau's 1948 book. I suppose he used the epoch of the 1940's, and the apparent places of stars have changed over the years (are we in JK6 now?). I will make a caveat on that figure. And thank you for the comments on "astronomical." This paper is going to have significant additions, to include a modern-day astro azimuth case study. I have also decided to add the novel method of determining astronomical latitude and longitude in determining the deflection of the vertical. I have been doing observations for a celestial fix at two locations in the Austin, Texas location and have gotten very good results. Thank you again for your very kind compliments.
Yours very truly,
David A. Rolbiecki
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-5180-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', David Rolbiecki, 03 Dec 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-5180', Anonymous Referee #2, 16 Dec 2025
This article presents a systematic treatise on classical astrogeodetic methods used prior to the GNSS era for modern surveyors. Using a 1998 field observation as an example, it details the determination of astronomical azimuths, coordinate systems, time scales, and the reduction from astronomical to grid azimuths. The content is thorough and reflects the author’s expertise and practical experience. However, the work is essentially a pedagogical, retrospective, and methodological review rather than an original research paper on geoscientific instruments, methods, or data systems as required by the this journal. Therefore, I believe the current version is not suitable for publication in GI in its present form and would require significant revision.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-5180-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', David Rolbiecki, 16 Dec 2025
Dear reviewer, thank you for your comments. I am in the process of making significant revisions to the manuscript. First, I intend to use recent astronomical observations in 2025. Second, I intend to introduce a novel concept in determining astronomical latitude and longitude using the Marq St. Hilaire method of utilizing multiple lines of position to obtain a celestial fix. This method is an alternative to the painstaking methods used in the 19th and early 20th century of determining latitude and longitude. I intent to show that through multiple altitude intercepts spread out in all four quadrants of the compass can be used to obtain an astronomical lat/long and by comparing it with the geodetic lat/long, determine the deflection of the vertical.
This manuscript will be improved significantly. Thank you for your review.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-5180-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', David Rolbiecki, 16 Dec 2025
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AC3: 'Response to Editorial Review / Methodological Framework Justification – egusphere-2025-5180', David Rolbiecki, 18 May 2026
Dear Editors of Geoscientific Instrumentation, Methods and Data Systems,
Thank you for the constructive preliminary feedback regarding my manuscript, egusphere-2025-5180, titled "A monograph in astrogeodetic orientation in the current era of satellite positioning technology". I appreciate the opportunity to clarify the foundational scientific novelty, innovative data-system framework, and timely professional utility that this comprehensive work contributes to the geodetic community.
1. Direct Context of Submission and Structural Rationale
Because of the comprehensive scope required to bridge historic astrogeodetic workflows with modern Earth-Centered, Earth-Fixed (ECEF) architectures, this work was deliberately prepared as a long-form monograph.
Prior to submitting to EGUsphere, I discussed the scope of this manuscript extensively with Dr. Sergio Baselga, Editor-in-Chief of the ASCE Journal of Surveying Engineering. Dr. Baselga strongly endorsed the technical merit and the urgent necessity of preserving this geodetic astronomy framework for the modern workforce. However, he noted that traditional engineering journals face rigid page-budget and layout constraints that simply cannot accommodate a 90-page manual. Because a publication of this magnitude requires a highly flexible, open-science infrastructure, Dr. Baselga recommended me to explore other engineering research journals that would embrace a monograph, which led me to Copernicus and EGUsphere as the premier ecosystem designed to archive extensive, community-facing methodological reference works.
2. Alignment with Journal Scope and Reviewer Perspective
As a long-standing member of the Editorial Board for the ASCE Journal of Surveying Engineering, and having been recognized by ASCE as an Outstanding Reviewer in 2013, 2016, 2022, and 2024, I have a deep appreciation for the boundaries of academic peer review. I fully understand the editorial board's instinct to screen for typical "empirical research novelty." [1]
However, Geoscientific Instrumentation, Methods and Data Systems (GI) explicitly covers advancements in Methods and Data Systems. This manuscript addresses a core methodological innovation: it takes a historically manual, analogue procedure—the Marcq Saint-Hilaire altitude intercept method—and completely re-engineers it into an algorithmic pipeline optimized for 21st-century land-based geodetic data systems. When this celestial model is cross-referenced with modern ellipsoidal coordinate systems, it functions as a highly precise, standalone verification system for the deflection of the vertical and geoid slopes, operating entirely independent of satellite infrastructure or gravimetric leveling dependencies.
3. Resolving a Systemic Intergenerational Vulnerability
Since commercial satellite positioning (GNSS/GPS) became standard, absolute astrogeodetic orientation has transformed into a “lost art” within civil and surveying engineering curricula. This has created an unprecedented vulnerability where the modern geospatial workforce lacks the physical mathematical framework to operate in GNSS-denied environments or to authenticate space-based assets against independent, physics-bound ground truth.
Re-engineering a fading historical methodology to solve a critical, modern infrastructure risk is the definition of a methodological innovation. This 90-page text condenses scattered, centuries-old references, updates them with modern astronomical data frameworks, and bridges them directly into current ECEF digital workflows.
Proposed Pathway Forward
To accommodate the unique structural nature of this comprehensive reference manual, I would like to propose the following options to the editorial board:
- Reclassification: I am fully prepared to accept a reclassification of this manuscript from a standard "Research Article" to a “Special Issue" Monograph” or a dedicated “Technical Note/System Framework”, formats which naturally embrace long-form, highly impactful technical overviews.
- Targeted Open-Access Monograph Track: Given that the initial Article Processing Charge (APC) framework has already been calculated and agreed upon with Natalie Walker in your accounting division, I would welcome publishing this intact as a definitive, stand-alone reference monograph within the Copernicus/EGU repository ecosystem.
The goal of this work is to ensure that as society pushes further into satellite dependency, the independent mastery of our planet’s physical orientation is preserved for the next generation of surveyors and engineers.
Thank you for your dedication to maintaining rigorous, diverse scientific and engineering methodologies within GI. I look forward to working with the reviewers to refine this text into its optimal final format.
Sincerely,
David A. Rolbiecki, L.S.L.S., R.P.L.S., F. ASCE
Editorial Board Member, ASCE Journal of Surveying Engineering
Four-Time ASCE Outstanding Reviewer (2013, 2016, 2022, 2024)
Independent Researcher
Georgetown, Texas, USACitation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-5180-AC3
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Excellent paper.
Just a remark on figure 16: it has a limited time of validity, because of the precession, for the exact alignment with the astronomical meridian between the stars of Cassiopeia and Ursa Major indicated in the scheme. (See K. Spence, 408, pages320–324 (2000) Ancient Egyptian chronology and the astronomical orientation of pyramids). It may be declared in the caption.
I would put "Astronomical" in that figure, on figure 10. "Astronomical", and all over the text, but it can be left in this way as well.
The capital letter to Earth is the other typo to signal.