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The role of Antarctic sea ice in the Earth system: Perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records
Abstract. Antarctic sea-ice cover reached historically low levels in 2023, consistent with the simulated decrease in sea-ice extent in response to anthropogenic warming. Antarctic sea ice is closely linked to multiple components of the Earth system, thus its demise could precipitate widespread, cascading changes across the cryosphere, atmosphere, and ocean. However, the nature and strength of these interconnections are poorly understood, and they are often inadequately represented in models. In this review paper we use modern observations, models and paleoclimate archives covering the last glacial cycle to gain insights into how reductions in sea ice may affect other components of the Earth system. We review how Antarctic sea ice interacts with ocean and atmosphere circulation, ice sheets and ice shelves, marine productivity, and the carbon cycle over the last glacial cycle, for which we have the most robust sea-ice reconstructions. The review finds strong evidence from theory and models for impacts of Antarctic sea ice on the Earth system. Paleo-proxy reconstructions provide examples where changes in sea ice co-occur with changes in the carbon cycle, marine productivity, and ocean circulation. However, challenges remain in isolating the impact of sea ice in a highly interconnected system.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-3504', Anonymous Referee #1, 01 Sep 2025
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Zanna Chase, 17 Nov 2025
Thank you for the very helpful feedback on our manuscript, which will strengthen the review. In particular we appreciate the suggestion to add more structure and uniformity to the sections, and to add more figures. Below we provide responses to the individual comments.
Reviewer 1
[General comments]
In this manuscript, the authors comprehensively survey numerous papers on the role of sea ice in the Southern Ocean in the climate system, and succeeds in collecting vast amounts of information on the topic. The authors' attempt to provide an excellent overview on the issue surely has a potential to be appreciated by scientists of diverse research fields, and in particular, their effort to discuss how sea ice has interacted with other subsystems during past large-scale climate changes from a paleoclimatological perspective should be a novel and scientifically worthwhile conception. However, I have to raise serious concern that the specific methods used to organize the research findings and the manner to present them to readers are not necessarily optimal. The manuscript tries to cover vast amounts of phenomena and information; of necessity, the authors should pay close attention to methods for organizing and communicating them. I am certain that this manuscript will be dramatically improved and will realize its potential with a proper methodology to convey the authors' arguments in a clear and accessible manner. In addition, I also point out that the manuscript would be further enhanced by including descriptions on interactive feedback between Antarctic sea-ice and other Earth system components and a discussion on the role of paleo studies in the improvement of our knowledge about the Earth system.
[Major issues]
- Each section is poorly structured.
In each of the main sections, descriptions based on varying methodology (e.g. theory, modelling, modern observation, and paleo evidence) appear in a semi-random way, and besides, they have different structures (e.g. some sections have subsections, but others not). Therefore, it would be troublesome for readers to grasp the contents smoothly. To clarify the contributions from different methodologies, I would suggest several ideas for improvement.
- It would be helpful that each section has a table that summarizes the survey corresponding to the section. The potential table would have a similar structure to that of current Table 1; namely, columns for hypotheses based on theory and/or modelling, modern observation, paleo evidence, and so on. Then, rows would be allotted to important processes (rather than sub-components) that are relevant to the section topic.
RESPONSE: We appreciate this suggestion, but have opted not to include a table in each section. In fact, following advice from reviewer 2, we have decided to remove Table 1 entirely. As noted by reviewer 2, the table format tends to overly simplify and reduce the content and as such doesn’t add much to the text. However, we have endeavored to add clarity and uniformity to the sections by introducing a common structure and adding conceptual diagrams in each section.
- All the main sections should have a common subsection structure. The structure might be in line with the section's table that is suggested above.
RESPONSE: This is a great suggestion, which we have implemented. Each main section starts with an overview of the processes at play, drawing on theory, modelling and modern observations, and including a conceptual diagram. This is followed by a sub-section (with heading) on paleo insights, and finally a sub-section on knowledge gaps. For example, for section 2, this looks like:
- Sea ice and the Southern Ocean overturning circulation
2.1 Southern Ocean overturning circulation: Overview of processes and link to sea ice
2.2. Paleo insights into sea ice and the Southern Ocean overturning circulation
2.3. Knowledge gaps: Sea ice and the Southern Ocean overturning circulation
- I would point out that the current manuscript only has insufficient visualization. I believe it will be certainly beneficial if the manuscript has more schematic illustrations that show not only the name of components but also key mechanisms or processes discussed in the main text. Fig.1 of Lannuzel et al. (2020) might be a good example of such a schematic.
RESPONSE: We are working with a graphic designed to add 3 new conceptual figures:
- Sea ice and glacial ice, to accompany section 3
- Sea ice and winds, to accompany section 4
- Sea ice and biogeochemistry, to accompany sections 5 and 6
- Table 1 should be updated accordingly.
I would suggest that the general summary should have more visualized expression that conveys the information in a more intuitive way. For example, direction of changes, correlation strength, uncertainty/reliability, and so forth would be depicted as symbols with different sizes, colors, thickness, etc. An example of such an illustration might be found in Table 1 of Henson et al. (2022; https://doi.org/10.1038/s41561-022-00927-0).
Apart from this, Table 1 also raises some conceptual concerns (see item #5).
RESPONSE: We appreciate this suggestion, and we also like the table in Henson et al. 2022, but after considering it further and considering reviewer 2’s comments, we prefer to remove Table 1 completely.
- The manuscript contains a huge number of acronyms.
I would suggest that the authors should show a list of the acronyms that are used in the text.
RESPONSE: We will do this, and also remove some acronyms
- "Antarctic sea-ice .... as drivers of substantial Earth system changes." (Lines 113-115)
As represented by this sentence, the authors' only discuss "one-way" influences of Antarctic sea ice on other components of the Earth system. However, the relationship between the sea ice and other components should be interactive: what determines the sea-ice extent? or which controls which? In other words, not only a correlation between them but also their causal relationship should be discussed, which may be based on theoretical inferences and/or fact-based (e.g. timing analyses) discussion.
RESPONSE: It’s true that we made a deliberate decision to focus the review on the “one-way” influence of sea ice on other components of the Earth system, rather than discuss what controls sea ice extent. This was done to keep the scope manageable. However, we agree that this is somewhat artificial and we acknowledge that sea ice production and extent is in part determined by circulation, winds, and continental ice melt. We have discussed this explicitly in section 3, in the context of glacial melt and sea ice production but will discuss it more explicitly in the case of the overturning circulation and winds. We will also add a general discussion about this two-way interaction to the final discussion.
- What is the significance of paleo studies?
In some rows of Table.1, especially in the Atmosphere row, (some of) the paleo observations are treated as counter evidence, rather than positive proof. What is the background "philosophy" of this manuscript that gives more weight to other methodologies, although it is defined as "perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records"? Of course, it is well known that extracting meaningful signals from paleo indicators is not always straightforward, and that non-negligible uncertainty often arises in their interpretation. In a general sense, when reconstructions from paleoenvironmental research conflict with understandings based on other methods, what criteria should be used to judge, and how should we move on? If this manuscript handle and discuss this fundamental issue, it will make a major contribution to research communities.
RESPONSE: Thank you for this important comment, which touches on something we have grappled with in writing this manuscript. Our intention wasn’t to give more weight to one form of evidence or the other, but we can see how Table 1 can give this impression. We see this as more reason to remove Table 1. Our ‘philosophy’ to take the view of a scientist studying the Southern Ocean and Antarctica today, and wondering how declining sea ice might impact the wider system. What are the processes at play? When there are competing processes, for example for CO2, increased sea ice leads to suppression of air-sea gas exchange as well as suppression of biological uptake of CO2 - which process dominates? As the reviewer mentions, turning to the paleo record is not straight forward, primarily because it’s difficult to isolate a single driver like sea ice when looking at any historical record. Even in the best case scenario this will rely on analysis of leads-lags, comparison of subtle differences between past climate states, and potentially spatial patterns. However, by revealing what actually occurred, the paleo records can provide useful additional context to other methodology like modeling. Our intention with this review is to highlight instances where paleo observations shed some light on a) the observed relationship between sea ice and other Antarctic and SO processes and, if possible, b) the causal relationship. At this point we probably don’t have the temporal, spatial or process level resolution in the paleo records (of both sea ice and other components) to really capitalise on this philosophy, but we think there is value in presenting this approach, taking it as far as we can, and outlining both the inherent limitations and the present limitations that could be overcome with better records. We will elaborate these points in the introduction and in the conclusions.
- Section 5.2: dimethyl sulphide
It seems to be somewhat peculiar that the authors suddenly start a topic about a particular chemical compound, although they deal with large components or subsystems in the Earth system in other (sub)sections. Is there any particular reasons for that? Otherwise, the section 5.2 would look anomalous.
RESPONSE: We have reorganised section 5, renaming it
Sea ice and Southern Ocean biogeochemistry. This section starts with a “zone by zone” overview of processes, starting from the sea-ice impacted zones and moving north. We now include the discussion of DMS as a process occurring within the sea ice zone. We discuss the ice core DMS records themselves in the “paleo insights” section (5.2). This removes 5.2 as a stand-alone section.
[A comparatively minor issue]
- l.68 regime shift
What exactly does this "regime" indicate? Do we find any evidence or trace of a similar regime shift in the paleo-record? If yes, descriptions about recorded shifts should be added. If not, the reasons why such a shift is not recorded in the history of large-scale climate changes.
RESPONSE: This is an interesting question. A similar regime shift is not readily apparent in the paleo record, because most of the records are relatively low temporal resolution and don’t capture the timescale of change associated with a regime shift- certainly not at the scale of what is currently occurring. We now address this issue in the introduction.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3504-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Zanna Chase, 17 Nov 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-3504', Anonymous Referee #2, 02 Oct 2025
Review: Chase et al. “The role of Antarctic sea ice in the Earth system: Perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records”
This paper is an interesting summary of how Antarctic sea-ice has interacted with several components of the climate system in the last glacial cycle, and would be potentially a very useful contribution to CP. I particularly like that it covers such a broad range of processes, and that these are brought together at various points. To me this wide scope is also the main weakness – I have come away with the view that most sections seem a little superficial / lacking depth – this paper covers so much ground (or, rather, water!) that I think it needs to be considerably longer to do justice to a very substantial body of past work. In particular, the need to review modern processes to provide context for paleo studies, means that the modern part is lacking detail and the paleo examples are perhaps too few or lacking sufficient discussion of their important nuances (especially uncertainties / limitations). More figures are also needed – both schematics showing processes/feedbacks, and also to show results of key studies that are discussed in more depth.
Some more specific comments follow.
L91 “Sea-ice presence along the Antarctic coast buttresses ice shelves, stabilising the ice shelf and associated glaciers (Christie et al., 2022).”
Whether or not sea-ice can buttress an ice shelf is still uncertain & under debate. For just one example see Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) who found negligible buttressing of Larsen B by sea-ice.
Please revise to present a more balanced view.
L113: subheading here? Since the subsequent text suddenly dives from a general discussion into more detailed discussion of LIG sea ice and SST.L122-128 explanation of marine isotope stages & glacial cycles: seems unnecessary for CP.
L129 “ Sea salt sodium measurements in ice cores”. Only one ice core (EDC) is implied in Fig 2c. Are there some others to include?
L137-140. Ranges of LIG SST: what are they? Are these the ranges between different studies?
Fig 2. The small text on the map is hard to read, so a legend would be helpful for the different sea-ice extents.
L160 I think the detail in this paragraph is not really justified by the uncertainties. To me it’s only really the Scotia sector that stands out as responding differently, in Chadwick et al. 2022 Fig 4.
L174 Now we’re back to a general view and paper objectives. Should this be moved to before L113? Or move the material in Lines 113 to 173 to dedicated sections later on.
L196 Bathymetry might play a role in addition to Ekman divergence. See Tamsitt et al. 2017
L236 Nice comparison with warming scenarios, but if you’re wanting to compare with a warming scenario, it might be better to pick more than one study. What do the CMIP6 models predict?
L244 / Fig 4c. The %AAIW reconstruction seems to be very noisy, and so not very convincing. Unless you can show the uncertainties are tiny, I suggest not to include this record & related discussion.
L281: Puzzle of where AABW formed in LGM. If we suppose dense water from brine rejection sinks to the seafloor, does it really matter whether it formed on the shelf or in the open ocean during the LGM? The end result would still be the same, i.e., more AABW filling the abyssal Southern Ocean?
L286: Foram deposits could presumably represent short episodes with polynyas, they don’t have to be continuous?
L302 “Weakening of NADW” do you mean weakening of NADW production, or export, or somehow weakening of its physical properties?
L335 “This unexpected behaviour… “ I’m not convinced that this study alone (Shub et al. 2024) from the Brazil margin in TII is itself sufficient to question a direct link between sea-ice production/extent and AABW volume.
L365 / Section 3.1 (Sea ice as a buffer for ice shelves). As noted above (L91) I think this issue is still debated in the glaciology community. This section should be expanded considerably to reflect other opinions, or perhaps omitted.L398 “Increased stratification is also observed at the Totten Glacier…” Increased when and relative to what?
L418 “… during glacial climates when grounded ice expanded across the continental shelves
419 around Antarctica…” It’s really not certain that the ice sheet advanced to the shelf edge everywhere. See the Bentley paper you’ve cited, or Klages et al. 2017.L428, attributing sea-ice increase to greater ice sheet melt. This logic might have sounded reasonable prior to 2016, and indeed motivated a whole suite of hosing studies. But the ice sheet melting hasn’t slowed down as far as we know, yet the Antarctic sea ice is now at its lowest extent – so this argument is now seeming weaker.
L431-437 These are common features across many other studies too. See Swart et al. 2023 & refs therein. Or, Chen et al. 2023 for an ensemble view.
L446-449, Subduction of water that has been heated by insolation: this was already covered earlier (L414 approx) but different references are cited.
L442-444, L456-456: first it’s stated that increasing stratification can allow warmer CDW to access ice shelf cavities, then it’s later stated that increasing stratification prevents CDW mixing onto continental shelves. This seems contradictory, and overall I found this section (3.3) is struggling to summarise concisely a large body of research on the environmental drivers of ice shelf basal melt.
L485-487 “This process may also have occurred westward in Prydz Bay where a similar sea-ice increase was observed”. Due to increasing super-cooled ice shelf water from where? Also not sure where do you mean by “Westward in Prydz Bay”, are you meaning west of Wilkes Land?
L497-L499, use past tense here.
L512. An increase in IRD at one site could have many different interpretations that are not necessarily indicative of ice sheet retreat. Certainly the next sentence (“This sequence of events supports the link between sea ice as a buffer for ice shelves and the potential role of decreased sea-ice cover in facilitating basal melt and ice shelf disintegration”) isn’t justified by the evidence presented here. If sea-ice provided zero buttressing to ice shelves, you would still probably end up with a time series very similar to Fig 5.
L537 Should salinity be in this list of drivers?
L562 Why are ghost flux experiments the most compelling approach?
L583 “… did nothing”. Probably it did something, do you mean “had a negligible impact” or “not statistically significant” or etc.
L613 “However, recent proxy records suggest the sea-ice effect on the SHW is of second
Order.” That’s not supported by a following sentence “They [Kohlfield2013] concluded that making inferences about wind shifts based on paleo-evidence alone is difficult, as the data are consistent with multiple scenarios.”L621 “… a poleward shift of the SHW during the last deglaciation from the latitude of SST gradients in the Southern Ocean” Not sure what is meant by the latitude of an SST gradient.
L647-650 If the ssNa signal in 5 cores examined by Buizert et al. 2018 is “weak and not observed in all cores” then how is the next statement justified (“Yet, the sign and timing of the sea-ice signal, and its relationship to the inferred wind changes, do not support a strong link between changes in sea ice and changes in atmospheric circulation over millennial timescales.” I’ve lost track of the logic here.
L663 proxy record – should that be plural?
L670 Rather than new modelling efforts, I would start by looking at the wealth of existing climate simulations to see if any pattern can be found beyond the SHW.
L700 Interesting that sea ice supplies iron to the ocean. Where does that iron come from originally? How does it provide a link between glaciers/sediments and the ocean (L721)? Is this iron flux greater than the flux from icebergs and subglacial melt discharge?
L731 “the length of the ice-free season determines the upper limit of opal burial in the underlying sediments”… not sure I follow this sentence, what is the upper limit of opal burial?
L758-786. There’s no discussion here about the potential contribution of changes in iceberg nutrient fluxes to past changes in Southern Ocean productivity. Should be mentioned, even if to say it’s a negligible part of the budget.
L833 Can you quantify what is “long term”?
L849-L852 This seems very speculative!
L867-869. Have there been Earth system modelling studies of this process? They would provide some useful insights.
L911. This is an idealised experiment – but in reality would there be much upwelling under sea ice, or instead would you expect that either (1) the region of Ekman-driven upwelling would move further north, beyond the sea-ice edge, in tandem with a northwards shift in SHW, or (2) if SHW haven’t moved, then the presence of sea ice reduces Ekman divergence and upwelling. Either way there’s less upwelling under the ice.
L944 “The lag between the expansion of sea ice and the decrease in CO2” That lag (of 3ka) is really not clear to me in Fig 4 and is the dating of the marine sea-ice records really good enough to resolve it?
L979-L981 “While we focus here on modern studies, as well as paleo-records spanning the last glacial cycle (150 – 0 ka), processes described are also applicable to more ancient, recent, and future conditions” What is the difference, in this paper’s context, between modern and recent?
L993-995 “To increase our knowledge and further improve our understanding, we need paleo-records with higher temporal resolution and better chronologic control in more areas of the Southern Ocean” I don’t think any reader of CP would disagree with that, but obviously that’s a big task… Can you help by recommending some particular regions or time periods that should be targeted? I also wonder about the chronological control – yes this is an important issue, particularly when comparing multiple sites or data vs models, but it was really skipped over in this review.
Table 1: Not referred to anywhere in the text, and not very helpful as it over-simplifies processes that are already covered only briefly in the text. Suggest to delete it.
ReferencesChadwick et al. 2022, Clim Past, https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-18-1815-2022.
Chen et al. 2023, GRL, https://doi.org/10.1029/2023GL106492.
Klages et al. 2017, PLOS One, https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0181593.
Li et al. 2021, GRL, https://doi.org/10.1029/2021GL094317.
Shub et al. 2024, PP, https://doi.org/10.1029/2023PA004635.
Swart et al. 2023, GMD, https://doi.org/10.5194/gmd-16-7289-2023.
Tamsitt et al. 2017, Nat Comms, https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-017-00197-0.
Trystan Surawy-Stepney et al. 2024, https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-18-977-2024.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3504-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Zanna Chase, 17 Nov 2025
Thank you for the very helpful feedback on our manuscript, which will strengthen the review. In particular we appreciate the careful reading of the text and suggestions on where more depth is needed. Below we provide responses to the individual comments.
Review: Chase et al. “The role of Antarctic sea ice in the Earth system: Perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records”
This paper is an interesting summary of how Antarctic sea-ice has interacted with several components of the climate system in the last glacial cycle, and would be potentially a very useful contribution to CP. I particularly like that it covers such a broad range of processes, and that these are brought together at various points. To me this wide scope is also the main weakness – I have come away with the view that most sections seem a little superficial / lacking depth – this paper covers so much ground (or, rather, water!) that I think it needs to be considerably longer to do justice to a very substantial body of past work. In particular, the need to review modern processes to provide context for paleo studies, means that the modern part is lacking detail and the paleo examples are perhaps too few or lacking sufficient discussion of their important nuances (especially uncertainties / limitations). More figures are also needed – both schematics showing processes/feedbacks, and also to show results of key studies that are discussed in more depth.
RESPONSE: We thank the reviewer for these insightful and constructive comments. We are working with a graphic designed to add 3 new conceptual figures:
- Sea ice and glacial ice, to accompany section 3
- Sea ice and winds, to accompany section 4
- Sea ice and biogeochemistry, to accompany sections 5 and 6
We also appreciate the comment about scope. We are wary of increasing the length significantly, but we agree there is scope to add depth to all of the sections, and in particular to discuss the paleo examples more completely. We feel the restructuring of the sections, with a dedicated sub sections on 'overview of processes', 'paleo insights' and 'knowledge gaps' will increase the depth while keeping the length manageable.
Some more specific comments follow.
L91 “Sea-ice presence along the Antarctic coast buttresses ice shelves, stabilising the ice shelf and associated glaciers (Christie et al., 2022).”
Whether or not sea-ice can buttress an ice shelf is still uncertain & under debate. For just one example see Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) who found negligible buttressing of Larsen B by sea-ice.
Please revise to present a more balanced view.
RESPONSE: We thank the reviewer for calling our attention to Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) which presents greater complexity of the relationship between sea ice, ice shelves and glacier dynamics, with their modelling work supporting the secondary contribution of landfast sea ice in impacting ice shelves. We have re-written this statement and then section 3.1 to reflect this, and include additional references that are part of this ongoing discussion, including Ochwat et al. (2024) and Sun et al. (2023). We also have re-worded this in accordance with details explained in Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) who distinguish “buttressing” mechanisms versus “non-buttressing mechanisms” as related to the impact the landfast sea ice can have on ice shelves.
L113: subheading here? Since the subsequent text suddenly dives from a general discussion into more detailed discussion of LIG sea ice and SST.
RESPONSE: We’ve opted not to add a subheading, but have made the subsequent section less detailed as suggested
L122-128 explanation of marine isotope stages & glacial cycles: seems unnecessary for CP.
RESPONSE: We agree and have removed it
L129 “ Sea salt sodium measurements in ice cores”. Only one ice core (EDC) is implied in Fig 2c. Are there some others to include?
RESPONSE: These are indeed only from EDC, so we have deleted “in ice cores” in this sentence
L137-140. Ranges of LIG SST: what are they? Are these the ranges between different studies?
RESPONSE: These are ranges, and we will clarify this in the text. As explained below, we will also reorganise this paragraph to treat the LGM and LIG in the same way, detailing both sea ice and SST changes.
Fig 2. The small text on the map is hard to read, so a legend would be helpful for the different sea-ice extents.
RESPONSE: We will add a legend
L160 I think the detail in this paragraph is not really justified by the uncertainties. To me it’s only really the Scotia sector that stands out as responding differently, in Chadwick et al. 2022 Fig 4.
RESPONSE: We have removed some of this detail
L174 Now we’re back to a general view and paper objectives. Should this be moved to before L113? Or move the material in Lines 113 to 173 to dedicated sections later on.
RESPONSE: As well as simplifying the section on timing of sea ice changes, we also moved this whole paragraph to the carbon cycle section, where it comes up again. We will also re-write the paragraphs on sea ice changes during glacial-interglacial cycles by combining into one paragraph that briefly summarises a) methods of reconstructing sea ice, b) a summary of LGM reconstructions including SST, c) a summary of LIG reconstructions, including SST, d) a broad overview of timing across the glacial cycle, and e) limitations of proxy datasets - both spatial and temporal
L196 Bathymetry might play a role in addition to Ekman divergence. See Tamsitt et al. 2017
RESPONSE: Thank you for this reference. We will incorporate this in the sentence.
L236 Nice comparison with warming scenarios, but if you’re wanting to compare with a warming scenario, it might be better to pick more than one study. What do the CMIP6 models predict?
RESPONSE: This is a good point. Almeida et al. 2024 look at the response of AAIW in CMIP6 models. They find a reduction in AAIW production in the warming scenarios. We will add this reference.
Almeida, L., Mazloff, M.R., Mata, M.M., 2024. The Influence of Surface Fluxes on Export of Southern Ocean Intermediate and Mode Water in Coupled Climate Models. Journal of Geophysical Research: Oceans 129, e2024JC021841. https://doi.org/10.1029/2024JC021841
L244 / Fig 4c. The %AAIW reconstruction seems to be very noisy, and so not very convincing. Unless you can show the uncertainties are tiny, I suggest not to include this record & related discussion.
RESPONSE: This is a good point, we will remove the record and related discussion
L281: Puzzle of where AABW formed in LGM. If we suppose dense water from brine rejection sinks to the seafloor, does it really matter whether it formed on the shelf or in the open ocean during the LGM? The end result would still be the same, i.e., more AABW filling the abyssal Southern Ocean?
RESPONSE: This is a good point that we will discuss. Most models form AABW in the open ocean, so in ‘model world’ such a shift is inconsequential, but the impact in the real ocean can only be guessed.
L286: Foram deposits could presumably represent short episodes with polynyas, they don’t have to be continuous?
RESPONSE: We will reword this as we didn’t mean to imply that the polynyas were continuously present, just that they continued to be present even during the much colder conditions of the LGM.
L302 “Weakening of NADW” do you mean weakening of NADW production, or export, or somehow weakening of its physical properties?
RESPONSE: We mean weakening of its production. We will clarify this sentence.
L335 “This unexpected behaviour… “ I’m not convinced that this study alone (Shub et al. 2024) from the Brazil margin in TII is itself sufficient to question a direct link between sea-ice production/extent and AABW volume.
RESPONSE: We agree, and will modify the language used
L365 / Section 3.1 (Sea ice as a buffer for ice shelves). As noted above (L91) I think this issue is still debated in the glaciology community. This section should be expanded considerably to reflect other opinions, or perhaps omitted.
RESPONSE: As noted above, we thank the reviewer for calling our attention to Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) which presents greater complexity of the relationship between sea ice, ice shelves and glacier dynamics, with their modelling work supporting the secondary contribution of landfast sea ice in buttressing ice shelves. We have re-written all of section 3.1 to reflect this, and include additional references that are part of this ongoing discussion, including Ochwat et al. (2024) and Sun et al. (2023). We also have re-worded this in accordance with details explained in Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) who distinguish “buttressing” mechanisms versus “non-buttressing mechanisms” as related to the secondary impact the landfast sea ice can have on ice shelves.
While this topic is more complex than originally presented here, we feel it is important, so our preference is to retain this edited, expanded, and more complete presentation.
L398 “Increased stratification is also observed at the Totten Glacier…” Increased when and relative to what?
RESPONSE: This has been removed in our restructuring of this section
L418 “… during glacial climates when grounded ice expanded across the continental shelves
419 around Antarctica…” It’s really not certain that the ice sheet advanced to the shelf edge everywhere. See the Bentley paper you’ve cited, or Klages et al. 2017.
RESPONSE: Thank you - we’ve edited this sentence to more specifically note that glacial ice did not advance to the shelf edge everywhere around the continental margin, and added the reference to Klages et al. (2017).
L428, attributing sea-ice increase to greater ice sheet melt. This logic might have sounded reasonable prior to 2016, and indeed motivated a whole suite of hosing studies. But the ice sheet melting hasn’t slowed down as far as we know, yet the Antarctic sea ice is now at its lowest extent – so this argument is now seeming weaker.
RESPONSE: This has been removed in our restructuring of this section
L431-437 These are common features across many other studies too. See Swart et al. 2023 & refs therein. Or, Chen et al. 2023 for an ensemble view.
RESPONSE: Please see comments below.
L446-449, Subduction of water that has been heated by insolation: this was already covered earlier (L414 approx) but different references are cited.
RESPONSE: Thank you, yes, we appreciate your comment and based on this we have re-organized section 3.2 to minimize redundancy. We think this re-organizing provides a more streamlined text.
L442-444, L456-456: first it’s stated that increasing stratification can allow warmer CDW to access ice shelf cavities, then it’s later stated that increasing stratification prevents CDW mixing onto continental shelves. This seems contradictory, and overall I found this section (3.3) is struggling to summarise concisely a large body of research on the environmental drivers of ice shelf basal melt.
RESPONSE: As noted in the comment above, we have re-organized section 3.2. The reviewer is correct that we mis-stated the relationship between stratification and CDW access to ice shelf cavities in lines 455-456. This has been fixed.
L485-487 “This process may also have occurred westward in Prydz Bay where a similar sea-ice increase was observed”. Due to increasing super-cooled ice shelf water from where? Also not sure where do you mean by “Westward in Prydz Bay”, are you meaning west of Wilkes Land?
RESPONSE: Thank you, we’ve deleted this sentence and the reference Denis et al. (2010). The paper does report a decrease in sea ice in their Prydz Bay core but does not attribute this to super-cooled ice shelf water.
L497-L499, use past tense here.
RESPONSE: Thank you, the use of past tense has been incorporated.
L512. An increase in IRD at one site could have many different interpretations that are not necessarily indicative of ice sheet retreat. Certainly the next sentence (“This sequence of events supports the link between sea ice as a buffer for ice shelves and the potential role of decreased sea-ice cover in facilitating basal melt and ice shelf disintegration”) isn’t justified by the evidence presented here. If sea-ice provided zero buttressing to ice shelves, you would still probably end up with a time series very similar to Fig 5.
RESPONSE: This is a good point, we will modify this section to acknowledge this ambiguity in IRD records and the link between the records shown and evidence for buttressing.
L537 Should salinity be in this list of drivers?
RESPONSE: Yes, we will add salinity
L562 Why are ghost flux experiments the most compelling approach?
RESPONSE: The ghost flux experiments allow the ‘downstream’ impacts of sea ice loss to be studied, by introducing an additional heat flux to the sea ice module of a climate model. In this way they can isolate the effect of sea ice changes. However, the method does have limitations, and was shown to overestimate heating associated with Arctic sea ice loss (England et al. 2022). In the revised version we will explain the ghost flux method and point out its advantages as well as its limitations, rather than call it the most compelling method.
England, M.R., Eisenman, I., Wagner, T.J.W., 2022. Spurious Climate Impacts in Coupled Sea Ice Loss Simulations. Journal of Climate 35, 7401–7411. https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-21-0647.1
L583 “… did nothing”. Probably it did something, do you mean “had a negligible impact” or “not statistically significant” or etc.
RESPONSE: Thank you, we will change to “had a negligible impact on”
L613 “However, recent proxy records suggest the sea-ice effect on the SHW is of second Order.” That’s not supported by a following sentence “They [Kohlfield2013] concluded that making inferences about wind shifts based on paleo-evidence alone is difficult, as the data are consistent with multiple scenarios.”
RESPONSE: Thank you for pointing this out, we can see how it is confusing. The sentence about ‘second order’ refers to the work by Gray et al. 2023, which appears later in the paragraph. We will split this in two paragraphs and rewrite to eliminate the apparent contradictory sentences.
L621 “… a poleward shift of the SHW during the last deglaciation from the latitude of SST gradients in the Southern Ocean” Not sure what is meant by the latitude of an SST gradient.
RESPONSE: We have clarified this as “a poleward shift of the SHW during the deglaciation from the latitude of the steepest meridional SST gradient”
L647-650 If the ssNa signal in 5 cores examined by Buizert et al. 2018 is “weak and not observed in all cores” then how is the next statement justified (“Yet, the sign and timing of the sea-ice signal, and its relationship to the inferred wind changes, do not support a strong link between changes in sea ice and changes in atmospheric circulation over millennial timescales.” I’ve lost track of the logic here.
RESPONSE: Thank you for highlighting this. The reference to ssNa and Buizert was an error, and we can see how this whole section was confusing. We have reworded this and found further references, making it clear that the inferred sea ice changes based on ssNa consistently show a decrease in sea ice extent during Antarctic warming, but not during equatorward wind shifts.
L663 proxy record – should that be plural?
RESPONSE: corrected
L670 Rather than new modelling efforts, I would start by looking at the wealth of existing climate simulations to see if any pattern can be found beyond the SHW.
RESPONSE: This is a good suggestion- we will modify the text accordingly
L700 Interesting that sea ice supplies iron to the ocean. Where does that iron come from originally? How does it provide a link between glaciers/sediments and the ocean (L721)? Is this iron flux greater than the flux from icebergs and subglacial melt discharge?
RESPONSE: The iron from sea ice comes both from seawater itself, as well as from nearshore suspended sediments, if the ice is formed nearshore and then transported offshore. We will expand this section to put the sea ice iron sources into context relative to other iron sources. Person et al. (2021), for example show that sea ice enhances carbon export in the Southern Ocean by 8% relative to a control with no sea ice iron, while inclusion of iron from continental ice increases carbon export by 4.5%. Interestingly, they also found an interactive effect, where the sea ice iron source increases its impact in the presence of iron from continental ice, as this continental source is incorporated into sea ice, increasing its iron content.
Person, Renaud, Martin Vancoppenolle, Olivier Aumont, and Manon Malsang. “Continental and Sea Ice Iron Sources Fertilize the Southern Ocean in Synergy.” Geophysical Research Letters 48, no. 23 (2021): e2021GL094761. https://doi.org/10.1029/2021GL094761.
L731 “the length of the ice-free season determines the upper limit of opal burial in the underlying sediments”… not sure I follow this sentence, what is the upper limit of opal burial?
RESPONSE: We have rewritten as “the length of the ice-free season is an important factor in limiting how much opal can be buried in the underlying sediments”
L758-786. There’s no discussion here about the potential contribution of changes in iceberg nutrient fluxes to past changes in Southern Ocean productivity. Should be mentioned, even if to say it’s a negligible part of the budget.
RESPONSE: This is a good point, which falls into the category of ‘influences on productivity other than sea ice’. Several studies have suggested iron input from icebergs can promote productivity. If iceberg discharge decreases during cold climate states, this could theoretically explain or contribute to low productivity during glacial times. However, increased iron limitation during glacial times is not consistent with the nitrogen isotope data, which indicates more complete utilisation of nitrate at the time of low productivity. We will mention iceberg iron fluxes in the section at line ~721 where we discuss sea ice iron inputs, and note that iron availability (either more, from sea ice, or less, from icebergs) cannot explain the existing glacial-interglacial productivity and nitrate utilisation trends.
L833 Can you quantify what is “long term”?
RESPONSE: In reorganising this section we have decided to delete this sentence
L849-L852 This seems very speculative!
RESPONSE: True, we have deleted this sentence
L867-869. Have there been Earth system modelling studies of this process? They would provide some useful insights.
RESPONSE: Yes, Stein et al. 2020 and Khatiwala et al. 2019 describe results from two such earth system models. These are discussed in the paragraph starting on line 956. In the revision we will remind the reader in this paragraph about the difference found between box models and GCMs.
L911. This is an idealised experiment – but in reality would there be much upwelling under sea ice, or instead would you expect that either (1) the region of Ekman-driven upwelling would move further north, beyond the sea-ice edge, in tandem with a northwards shift in SHW, or (2) if SHW haven’t moved, then the presence of sea ice reduces Ekman divergence and upwelling. Either way there’s less upwelling under the ice.
RESPONSE: Thank you for raising this. It’s difficult to say what would be expected ‘in reality’. The idealised experiments are useful in isolating the impact of individual mechanisms. But in reality many things change at once - e.g. winds and sea-ice, temperature and the ice sheet. The work of Stein et al. 2020 explores the integrated effect of physical changes associated with orbital and greenhouse gas forcing. They find a more vigorous Southern Ocean overturning circulation during glacial climates, yet overall a decrease in the exposure of deep Southern Ocean water to the atmosphere (e.g. a decrease in ‘ventilation’). They attribute this to the presence of sea ice capping the upwelled water, and an enhanced poleward circulation, limiting the exposure time of deep water at the surface. While this is only one model, in the revised version we will discuss this result more, and also the contrast with the work of Khatiwala et al. 2019, which may be because the Khatiwala study imposed LGM sea ice on a pre-industrial circulation.
L944 “The lag between the expansion of sea ice and the decrease in CO2” That lag (of 3ka) is really not clear to me in Fig 4 and is the dating of the marine sea-ice records really good enough to resolve it?
RESPONSE: This point about the lag was made by Ai et al. 2020. We will annotate Fig 4 to better highlight this feature, which we agree is subtle. We also agree that the lack of an apparent lag in the marine records could well be due to dating uncertainties. We will highlight the need for more and better dating of marine records across the glacial inception.
L979-L981 “While we focus here on modern studies, as well as paleo-records spanning the last glacial cycle (150 – 0 ka), processes described are also applicable to more ancient, recent, and future conditions” What is the difference, in this paper’s context, between modern and recent?
RESPONSE: Good point, we didn’t mean to imply a distinction between modern and recent, and have deleted the reference to ‘recent’ in this sentence.
L993-995 “To increase our knowledge and further improve our understanding, we need paleo-records with higher temporal resolution and better chronologic control in more areas of the Southern Ocean” I don’t think any reader of CP would disagree with that, but obviously that’s a big task… Can you help by recommending some particular regions or time periods that should be targeted? I also wonder about the chronological control – yes this is an important issue, particularly when comparing multiple sites or data vs models, but it was really skipped over in this review.
RESPONSE: Thank you for this excellent suggestion. The main region needing better covering is the Antarctic zone, while the main time periods needing more coverage are the glacial inception as well as millennial-scale variability during MIS 3. In the revised version we will highlight these aspects. We agree about the chronological control, which is needed in particular to make inferences from the relative timing of changes in sea ice and other aspects of the system- we will make this point in the body of the review and again in this concluding section.
Table 1: Not referred to anywhere in the text, and not very helpful as it over-simplifies processes that are already covered only briefly in the text. Suggest to delete it.
RESPONSE: We agree with this perspective, and will remove Table 1, replacing it with a ‘knowledge gaps’ subsection in each major section.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3504-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Zanna Chase, 17 Nov 2025
Peer review completion
Interactive discussion
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-3504', Anonymous Referee #1, 01 Sep 2025
[General comments]
In this manuscript, the authors comprehensively survey numerous papers on the role of sea ice in the Southern Ocean in the climate system, and succeeds in collecting vast amounts of information on the topic. The authors' attempt to provide an excellent overview on the issue surely has a potential to be appreciated by scientists of diverse research fields, and in particular, their effort to discuss how sea ice has interacted with other subsystems during past large-scale climate changes from a paleoclimatological perspective should be a novel and scientifically worthwhile conception. However, I have to raise serious concern that the specific methods used to organize the research findings and the manner to present them to readers are not necessarily optimal. The manuscript tries to cover vast amounts of phenomena and information; of necessity, the authors should pay close attention to methods for organizing and communicating them. I am certain that this manuscript will be dramatically improved and will realize its potential with a proper methodology to convey the authors' arguments in a clear and accessible manner. In addition, I also point out that the manuscript would be further enhanced by including descriptions on interactive feedback between Antarctic sea-ice and other Earth system components and a discussion on the role of paleo studies in the improvement of our knowledge about the Earth system.
[Major issues]1. Each section is poorly structured.
In each of the main sections, descriptions based on varying methodology (e.g. theory, modelling, modern observation, and paleo evidence) appear in a semi-random way, and besides, they have different structures (e.g. some sections have subsections, but others not). Therefore, it would be troublesome for readers to grasp the contents smoothly. To clarify the contributions from different methodologies, I would suggest several ideas for improvement.
- It would be helpful that each section has a table that summarizes the survey corresponding to the section. The potential table would have a similar structure to that of current Table 1; namely, columns for hypotheses based on theory and/or modelling, modern observation, paleo evidence, and so on. Then, rows would be allotted to important processes (rather than sub-components) that are relevant to the section topic.
- All the main sections should have a common subsection structure. The structure might be in line with the section's table that is suggested above.
- I would point out that the current manuscript only has insufficient visualization. I believe it will be certainly beneficial if the manuscript has more schematic illustrations that show not only the name of components but also key mechanisms or processes discussed in the main text. Fig.1 of Lannuzel et al. (2020) might be a good example of such a schematic.
2. Table 1 should be updated accordingly.
I would suggest that the general summary should have more visualized expression that conveys the information in a more intuitive way. For example, direction of changes, correlation strength, uncertainty/reliability, and so forth would be depicted as symbols with different sizes, colors, thickness, etc. An example of such an illustration might be found in Table 1 of Henson et al. (2022; https://doi.org/10.1038/s41561-022-00927-0).Apart from this, Table 1 also raises some conceptual concerns (see item #5).
3. The manuscript contains a huge number of acronyms.
I would suggest that the authors should show a list of the acronyms that are used in the text.
4. "Antarctic sea-ice .... as drivers of substantial Earth system changes." (Lines 113-115)
As represented by this sentence, the authors' only discuss "one-way" influences of Antarctic sea ice on other components of the Earth system. However, the relationship between the sea ice and other components should be interactive: what determines the sea-ice extent? or which controls which? In other words, not only a correlation between them but also their causal relationship should be discussed, which may be based on theoretical inferences and/or fact-based (e.g. timing analyses) discussion.
5. What is the significance of paleo studies?
In some rows of Table.1, especially in the Atmosphere row, (some of) the paleo observations are treated as counter evidence, rather than positive proof. What is the background "philosophy" of this manuscript that gives more weight to other methodologies, although it is defined as "perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records"? Of course, it is well known that extracting meaningful signals from paleo indicators is not always straightforward, and that non-negligible uncertainty often arises in their interpretation. In a general sense, when reconstructions from paleoenvironmental research conflict with understandings based on other methods, what criteria should be used to judge, and how should we move on? If this manuscript handle and discuss this fundamental issue, it will make a major contribution to research communities.
6. Section 5.2: dimethyl sulphide
It seems to be somewhat peculiar that the authors suddenly start a topic about a particular chemical compound, although they deal with large components or subsystems in the Earth system in other (sub)sections. Is there any particular reasons for that? Otherwise, the section 5.2 would look anomalous.
[A comparatively minor issue]- l.68 regime shift
What exactly does this "regime" indicate? Do we find any evidence or trace of a similar regime shift in the paleo-record? If yes, descriptions about recorded shifts should be added. If not, the reasons why such a shift is not recorded in the history of large-scale climate changes.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3504-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Zanna Chase, 17 Nov 2025
Thank you for the very helpful feedback on our manuscript, which will strengthen the review. In particular we appreciate the suggestion to add more structure and uniformity to the sections, and to add more figures. Below we provide responses to the individual comments.
Reviewer 1
[General comments]
In this manuscript, the authors comprehensively survey numerous papers on the role of sea ice in the Southern Ocean in the climate system, and succeeds in collecting vast amounts of information on the topic. The authors' attempt to provide an excellent overview on the issue surely has a potential to be appreciated by scientists of diverse research fields, and in particular, their effort to discuss how sea ice has interacted with other subsystems during past large-scale climate changes from a paleoclimatological perspective should be a novel and scientifically worthwhile conception. However, I have to raise serious concern that the specific methods used to organize the research findings and the manner to present them to readers are not necessarily optimal. The manuscript tries to cover vast amounts of phenomena and information; of necessity, the authors should pay close attention to methods for organizing and communicating them. I am certain that this manuscript will be dramatically improved and will realize its potential with a proper methodology to convey the authors' arguments in a clear and accessible manner. In addition, I also point out that the manuscript would be further enhanced by including descriptions on interactive feedback between Antarctic sea-ice and other Earth system components and a discussion on the role of paleo studies in the improvement of our knowledge about the Earth system.
[Major issues]
- Each section is poorly structured.
In each of the main sections, descriptions based on varying methodology (e.g. theory, modelling, modern observation, and paleo evidence) appear in a semi-random way, and besides, they have different structures (e.g. some sections have subsections, but others not). Therefore, it would be troublesome for readers to grasp the contents smoothly. To clarify the contributions from different methodologies, I would suggest several ideas for improvement.
- It would be helpful that each section has a table that summarizes the survey corresponding to the section. The potential table would have a similar structure to that of current Table 1; namely, columns for hypotheses based on theory and/or modelling, modern observation, paleo evidence, and so on. Then, rows would be allotted to important processes (rather than sub-components) that are relevant to the section topic.
RESPONSE: We appreciate this suggestion, but have opted not to include a table in each section. In fact, following advice from reviewer 2, we have decided to remove Table 1 entirely. As noted by reviewer 2, the table format tends to overly simplify and reduce the content and as such doesn’t add much to the text. However, we have endeavored to add clarity and uniformity to the sections by introducing a common structure and adding conceptual diagrams in each section.
- All the main sections should have a common subsection structure. The structure might be in line with the section's table that is suggested above.
RESPONSE: This is a great suggestion, which we have implemented. Each main section starts with an overview of the processes at play, drawing on theory, modelling and modern observations, and including a conceptual diagram. This is followed by a sub-section (with heading) on paleo insights, and finally a sub-section on knowledge gaps. For example, for section 2, this looks like:
- Sea ice and the Southern Ocean overturning circulation
2.1 Southern Ocean overturning circulation: Overview of processes and link to sea ice
2.2. Paleo insights into sea ice and the Southern Ocean overturning circulation
2.3. Knowledge gaps: Sea ice and the Southern Ocean overturning circulation
- I would point out that the current manuscript only has insufficient visualization. I believe it will be certainly beneficial if the manuscript has more schematic illustrations that show not only the name of components but also key mechanisms or processes discussed in the main text. Fig.1 of Lannuzel et al. (2020) might be a good example of such a schematic.
RESPONSE: We are working with a graphic designed to add 3 new conceptual figures:
- Sea ice and glacial ice, to accompany section 3
- Sea ice and winds, to accompany section 4
- Sea ice and biogeochemistry, to accompany sections 5 and 6
- Table 1 should be updated accordingly.
I would suggest that the general summary should have more visualized expression that conveys the information in a more intuitive way. For example, direction of changes, correlation strength, uncertainty/reliability, and so forth would be depicted as symbols with different sizes, colors, thickness, etc. An example of such an illustration might be found in Table 1 of Henson et al. (2022; https://doi.org/10.1038/s41561-022-00927-0).
Apart from this, Table 1 also raises some conceptual concerns (see item #5).
RESPONSE: We appreciate this suggestion, and we also like the table in Henson et al. 2022, but after considering it further and considering reviewer 2’s comments, we prefer to remove Table 1 completely.
- The manuscript contains a huge number of acronyms.
I would suggest that the authors should show a list of the acronyms that are used in the text.
RESPONSE: We will do this, and also remove some acronyms
- "Antarctic sea-ice .... as drivers of substantial Earth system changes." (Lines 113-115)
As represented by this sentence, the authors' only discuss "one-way" influences of Antarctic sea ice on other components of the Earth system. However, the relationship between the sea ice and other components should be interactive: what determines the sea-ice extent? or which controls which? In other words, not only a correlation between them but also their causal relationship should be discussed, which may be based on theoretical inferences and/or fact-based (e.g. timing analyses) discussion.
RESPONSE: It’s true that we made a deliberate decision to focus the review on the “one-way” influence of sea ice on other components of the Earth system, rather than discuss what controls sea ice extent. This was done to keep the scope manageable. However, we agree that this is somewhat artificial and we acknowledge that sea ice production and extent is in part determined by circulation, winds, and continental ice melt. We have discussed this explicitly in section 3, in the context of glacial melt and sea ice production but will discuss it more explicitly in the case of the overturning circulation and winds. We will also add a general discussion about this two-way interaction to the final discussion.
- What is the significance of paleo studies?
In some rows of Table.1, especially in the Atmosphere row, (some of) the paleo observations are treated as counter evidence, rather than positive proof. What is the background "philosophy" of this manuscript that gives more weight to other methodologies, although it is defined as "perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records"? Of course, it is well known that extracting meaningful signals from paleo indicators is not always straightforward, and that non-negligible uncertainty often arises in their interpretation. In a general sense, when reconstructions from paleoenvironmental research conflict with understandings based on other methods, what criteria should be used to judge, and how should we move on? If this manuscript handle and discuss this fundamental issue, it will make a major contribution to research communities.
RESPONSE: Thank you for this important comment, which touches on something we have grappled with in writing this manuscript. Our intention wasn’t to give more weight to one form of evidence or the other, but we can see how Table 1 can give this impression. We see this as more reason to remove Table 1. Our ‘philosophy’ to take the view of a scientist studying the Southern Ocean and Antarctica today, and wondering how declining sea ice might impact the wider system. What are the processes at play? When there are competing processes, for example for CO2, increased sea ice leads to suppression of air-sea gas exchange as well as suppression of biological uptake of CO2 - which process dominates? As the reviewer mentions, turning to the paleo record is not straight forward, primarily because it’s difficult to isolate a single driver like sea ice when looking at any historical record. Even in the best case scenario this will rely on analysis of leads-lags, comparison of subtle differences between past climate states, and potentially spatial patterns. However, by revealing what actually occurred, the paleo records can provide useful additional context to other methodology like modeling. Our intention with this review is to highlight instances where paleo observations shed some light on a) the observed relationship between sea ice and other Antarctic and SO processes and, if possible, b) the causal relationship. At this point we probably don’t have the temporal, spatial or process level resolution in the paleo records (of both sea ice and other components) to really capitalise on this philosophy, but we think there is value in presenting this approach, taking it as far as we can, and outlining both the inherent limitations and the present limitations that could be overcome with better records. We will elaborate these points in the introduction and in the conclusions.
- Section 5.2: dimethyl sulphide
It seems to be somewhat peculiar that the authors suddenly start a topic about a particular chemical compound, although they deal with large components or subsystems in the Earth system in other (sub)sections. Is there any particular reasons for that? Otherwise, the section 5.2 would look anomalous.
RESPONSE: We have reorganised section 5, renaming it
Sea ice and Southern Ocean biogeochemistry. This section starts with a “zone by zone” overview of processes, starting from the sea-ice impacted zones and moving north. We now include the discussion of DMS as a process occurring within the sea ice zone. We discuss the ice core DMS records themselves in the “paleo insights” section (5.2). This removes 5.2 as a stand-alone section.
[A comparatively minor issue]
- l.68 regime shift
What exactly does this "regime" indicate? Do we find any evidence or trace of a similar regime shift in the paleo-record? If yes, descriptions about recorded shifts should be added. If not, the reasons why such a shift is not recorded in the history of large-scale climate changes.
RESPONSE: This is an interesting question. A similar regime shift is not readily apparent in the paleo record, because most of the records are relatively low temporal resolution and don’t capture the timescale of change associated with a regime shift- certainly not at the scale of what is currently occurring. We now address this issue in the introduction.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3504-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Zanna Chase, 17 Nov 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-3504', Anonymous Referee #2, 02 Oct 2025
Review: Chase et al. “The role of Antarctic sea ice in the Earth system: Perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records”
This paper is an interesting summary of how Antarctic sea-ice has interacted with several components of the climate system in the last glacial cycle, and would be potentially a very useful contribution to CP. I particularly like that it covers such a broad range of processes, and that these are brought together at various points. To me this wide scope is also the main weakness – I have come away with the view that most sections seem a little superficial / lacking depth – this paper covers so much ground (or, rather, water!) that I think it needs to be considerably longer to do justice to a very substantial body of past work. In particular, the need to review modern processes to provide context for paleo studies, means that the modern part is lacking detail and the paleo examples are perhaps too few or lacking sufficient discussion of their important nuances (especially uncertainties / limitations). More figures are also needed – both schematics showing processes/feedbacks, and also to show results of key studies that are discussed in more depth.
Some more specific comments follow.
L91 “Sea-ice presence along the Antarctic coast buttresses ice shelves, stabilising the ice shelf and associated glaciers (Christie et al., 2022).”
Whether or not sea-ice can buttress an ice shelf is still uncertain & under debate. For just one example see Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) who found negligible buttressing of Larsen B by sea-ice.
Please revise to present a more balanced view.
L113: subheading here? Since the subsequent text suddenly dives from a general discussion into more detailed discussion of LIG sea ice and SST.L122-128 explanation of marine isotope stages & glacial cycles: seems unnecessary for CP.
L129 “ Sea salt sodium measurements in ice cores”. Only one ice core (EDC) is implied in Fig 2c. Are there some others to include?
L137-140. Ranges of LIG SST: what are they? Are these the ranges between different studies?
Fig 2. The small text on the map is hard to read, so a legend would be helpful for the different sea-ice extents.
L160 I think the detail in this paragraph is not really justified by the uncertainties. To me it’s only really the Scotia sector that stands out as responding differently, in Chadwick et al. 2022 Fig 4.
L174 Now we’re back to a general view and paper objectives. Should this be moved to before L113? Or move the material in Lines 113 to 173 to dedicated sections later on.
L196 Bathymetry might play a role in addition to Ekman divergence. See Tamsitt et al. 2017
L236 Nice comparison with warming scenarios, but if you’re wanting to compare with a warming scenario, it might be better to pick more than one study. What do the CMIP6 models predict?
L244 / Fig 4c. The %AAIW reconstruction seems to be very noisy, and so not very convincing. Unless you can show the uncertainties are tiny, I suggest not to include this record & related discussion.
L281: Puzzle of where AABW formed in LGM. If we suppose dense water from brine rejection sinks to the seafloor, does it really matter whether it formed on the shelf or in the open ocean during the LGM? The end result would still be the same, i.e., more AABW filling the abyssal Southern Ocean?
L286: Foram deposits could presumably represent short episodes with polynyas, they don’t have to be continuous?
L302 “Weakening of NADW” do you mean weakening of NADW production, or export, or somehow weakening of its physical properties?
L335 “This unexpected behaviour… “ I’m not convinced that this study alone (Shub et al. 2024) from the Brazil margin in TII is itself sufficient to question a direct link between sea-ice production/extent and AABW volume.
L365 / Section 3.1 (Sea ice as a buffer for ice shelves). As noted above (L91) I think this issue is still debated in the glaciology community. This section should be expanded considerably to reflect other opinions, or perhaps omitted.L398 “Increased stratification is also observed at the Totten Glacier…” Increased when and relative to what?
L418 “… during glacial climates when grounded ice expanded across the continental shelves
419 around Antarctica…” It’s really not certain that the ice sheet advanced to the shelf edge everywhere. See the Bentley paper you’ve cited, or Klages et al. 2017.L428, attributing sea-ice increase to greater ice sheet melt. This logic might have sounded reasonable prior to 2016, and indeed motivated a whole suite of hosing studies. But the ice sheet melting hasn’t slowed down as far as we know, yet the Antarctic sea ice is now at its lowest extent – so this argument is now seeming weaker.
L431-437 These are common features across many other studies too. See Swart et al. 2023 & refs therein. Or, Chen et al. 2023 for an ensemble view.
L446-449, Subduction of water that has been heated by insolation: this was already covered earlier (L414 approx) but different references are cited.
L442-444, L456-456: first it’s stated that increasing stratification can allow warmer CDW to access ice shelf cavities, then it’s later stated that increasing stratification prevents CDW mixing onto continental shelves. This seems contradictory, and overall I found this section (3.3) is struggling to summarise concisely a large body of research on the environmental drivers of ice shelf basal melt.
L485-487 “This process may also have occurred westward in Prydz Bay where a similar sea-ice increase was observed”. Due to increasing super-cooled ice shelf water from where? Also not sure where do you mean by “Westward in Prydz Bay”, are you meaning west of Wilkes Land?
L497-L499, use past tense here.
L512. An increase in IRD at one site could have many different interpretations that are not necessarily indicative of ice sheet retreat. Certainly the next sentence (“This sequence of events supports the link between sea ice as a buffer for ice shelves and the potential role of decreased sea-ice cover in facilitating basal melt and ice shelf disintegration”) isn’t justified by the evidence presented here. If sea-ice provided zero buttressing to ice shelves, you would still probably end up with a time series very similar to Fig 5.
L537 Should salinity be in this list of drivers?
L562 Why are ghost flux experiments the most compelling approach?
L583 “… did nothing”. Probably it did something, do you mean “had a negligible impact” or “not statistically significant” or etc.
L613 “However, recent proxy records suggest the sea-ice effect on the SHW is of second
Order.” That’s not supported by a following sentence “They [Kohlfield2013] concluded that making inferences about wind shifts based on paleo-evidence alone is difficult, as the data are consistent with multiple scenarios.”L621 “… a poleward shift of the SHW during the last deglaciation from the latitude of SST gradients in the Southern Ocean” Not sure what is meant by the latitude of an SST gradient.
L647-650 If the ssNa signal in 5 cores examined by Buizert et al. 2018 is “weak and not observed in all cores” then how is the next statement justified (“Yet, the sign and timing of the sea-ice signal, and its relationship to the inferred wind changes, do not support a strong link between changes in sea ice and changes in atmospheric circulation over millennial timescales.” I’ve lost track of the logic here.
L663 proxy record – should that be plural?
L670 Rather than new modelling efforts, I would start by looking at the wealth of existing climate simulations to see if any pattern can be found beyond the SHW.
L700 Interesting that sea ice supplies iron to the ocean. Where does that iron come from originally? How does it provide a link between glaciers/sediments and the ocean (L721)? Is this iron flux greater than the flux from icebergs and subglacial melt discharge?
L731 “the length of the ice-free season determines the upper limit of opal burial in the underlying sediments”… not sure I follow this sentence, what is the upper limit of opal burial?
L758-786. There’s no discussion here about the potential contribution of changes in iceberg nutrient fluxes to past changes in Southern Ocean productivity. Should be mentioned, even if to say it’s a negligible part of the budget.
L833 Can you quantify what is “long term”?
L849-L852 This seems very speculative!
L867-869. Have there been Earth system modelling studies of this process? They would provide some useful insights.
L911. This is an idealised experiment – but in reality would there be much upwelling under sea ice, or instead would you expect that either (1) the region of Ekman-driven upwelling would move further north, beyond the sea-ice edge, in tandem with a northwards shift in SHW, or (2) if SHW haven’t moved, then the presence of sea ice reduces Ekman divergence and upwelling. Either way there’s less upwelling under the ice.
L944 “The lag between the expansion of sea ice and the decrease in CO2” That lag (of 3ka) is really not clear to me in Fig 4 and is the dating of the marine sea-ice records really good enough to resolve it?
L979-L981 “While we focus here on modern studies, as well as paleo-records spanning the last glacial cycle (150 – 0 ka), processes described are also applicable to more ancient, recent, and future conditions” What is the difference, in this paper’s context, between modern and recent?
L993-995 “To increase our knowledge and further improve our understanding, we need paleo-records with higher temporal resolution and better chronologic control in more areas of the Southern Ocean” I don’t think any reader of CP would disagree with that, but obviously that’s a big task… Can you help by recommending some particular regions or time periods that should be targeted? I also wonder about the chronological control – yes this is an important issue, particularly when comparing multiple sites or data vs models, but it was really skipped over in this review.
Table 1: Not referred to anywhere in the text, and not very helpful as it over-simplifies processes that are already covered only briefly in the text. Suggest to delete it.
ReferencesChadwick et al. 2022, Clim Past, https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-18-1815-2022.
Chen et al. 2023, GRL, https://doi.org/10.1029/2023GL106492.
Klages et al. 2017, PLOS One, https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0181593.
Li et al. 2021, GRL, https://doi.org/10.1029/2021GL094317.
Shub et al. 2024, PP, https://doi.org/10.1029/2023PA004635.
Swart et al. 2023, GMD, https://doi.org/10.5194/gmd-16-7289-2023.
Tamsitt et al. 2017, Nat Comms, https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-017-00197-0.
Trystan Surawy-Stepney et al. 2024, https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-18-977-2024.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3504-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Zanna Chase, 17 Nov 2025
Thank you for the very helpful feedback on our manuscript, which will strengthen the review. In particular we appreciate the careful reading of the text and suggestions on where more depth is needed. Below we provide responses to the individual comments.
Review: Chase et al. “The role of Antarctic sea ice in the Earth system: Perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records”
This paper is an interesting summary of how Antarctic sea-ice has interacted with several components of the climate system in the last glacial cycle, and would be potentially a very useful contribution to CP. I particularly like that it covers such a broad range of processes, and that these are brought together at various points. To me this wide scope is also the main weakness – I have come away with the view that most sections seem a little superficial / lacking depth – this paper covers so much ground (or, rather, water!) that I think it needs to be considerably longer to do justice to a very substantial body of past work. In particular, the need to review modern processes to provide context for paleo studies, means that the modern part is lacking detail and the paleo examples are perhaps too few or lacking sufficient discussion of their important nuances (especially uncertainties / limitations). More figures are also needed – both schematics showing processes/feedbacks, and also to show results of key studies that are discussed in more depth.
RESPONSE: We thank the reviewer for these insightful and constructive comments. We are working with a graphic designed to add 3 new conceptual figures:
- Sea ice and glacial ice, to accompany section 3
- Sea ice and winds, to accompany section 4
- Sea ice and biogeochemistry, to accompany sections 5 and 6
We also appreciate the comment about scope. We are wary of increasing the length significantly, but we agree there is scope to add depth to all of the sections, and in particular to discuss the paleo examples more completely. We feel the restructuring of the sections, with a dedicated sub sections on 'overview of processes', 'paleo insights' and 'knowledge gaps' will increase the depth while keeping the length manageable.
Some more specific comments follow.
L91 “Sea-ice presence along the Antarctic coast buttresses ice shelves, stabilising the ice shelf and associated glaciers (Christie et al., 2022).”
Whether or not sea-ice can buttress an ice shelf is still uncertain & under debate. For just one example see Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) who found negligible buttressing of Larsen B by sea-ice.
Please revise to present a more balanced view.
RESPONSE: We thank the reviewer for calling our attention to Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) which presents greater complexity of the relationship between sea ice, ice shelves and glacier dynamics, with their modelling work supporting the secondary contribution of landfast sea ice in impacting ice shelves. We have re-written this statement and then section 3.1 to reflect this, and include additional references that are part of this ongoing discussion, including Ochwat et al. (2024) and Sun et al. (2023). We also have re-worded this in accordance with details explained in Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) who distinguish “buttressing” mechanisms versus “non-buttressing mechanisms” as related to the impact the landfast sea ice can have on ice shelves.
L113: subheading here? Since the subsequent text suddenly dives from a general discussion into more detailed discussion of LIG sea ice and SST.
RESPONSE: We’ve opted not to add a subheading, but have made the subsequent section less detailed as suggested
L122-128 explanation of marine isotope stages & glacial cycles: seems unnecessary for CP.
RESPONSE: We agree and have removed it
L129 “ Sea salt sodium measurements in ice cores”. Only one ice core (EDC) is implied in Fig 2c. Are there some others to include?
RESPONSE: These are indeed only from EDC, so we have deleted “in ice cores” in this sentence
L137-140. Ranges of LIG SST: what are they? Are these the ranges between different studies?
RESPONSE: These are ranges, and we will clarify this in the text. As explained below, we will also reorganise this paragraph to treat the LGM and LIG in the same way, detailing both sea ice and SST changes.
Fig 2. The small text on the map is hard to read, so a legend would be helpful for the different sea-ice extents.
RESPONSE: We will add a legend
L160 I think the detail in this paragraph is not really justified by the uncertainties. To me it’s only really the Scotia sector that stands out as responding differently, in Chadwick et al. 2022 Fig 4.
RESPONSE: We have removed some of this detail
L174 Now we’re back to a general view and paper objectives. Should this be moved to before L113? Or move the material in Lines 113 to 173 to dedicated sections later on.
RESPONSE: As well as simplifying the section on timing of sea ice changes, we also moved this whole paragraph to the carbon cycle section, where it comes up again. We will also re-write the paragraphs on sea ice changes during glacial-interglacial cycles by combining into one paragraph that briefly summarises a) methods of reconstructing sea ice, b) a summary of LGM reconstructions including SST, c) a summary of LIG reconstructions, including SST, d) a broad overview of timing across the glacial cycle, and e) limitations of proxy datasets - both spatial and temporal
L196 Bathymetry might play a role in addition to Ekman divergence. See Tamsitt et al. 2017
RESPONSE: Thank you for this reference. We will incorporate this in the sentence.
L236 Nice comparison with warming scenarios, but if you’re wanting to compare with a warming scenario, it might be better to pick more than one study. What do the CMIP6 models predict?
RESPONSE: This is a good point. Almeida et al. 2024 look at the response of AAIW in CMIP6 models. They find a reduction in AAIW production in the warming scenarios. We will add this reference.
Almeida, L., Mazloff, M.R., Mata, M.M., 2024. The Influence of Surface Fluxes on Export of Southern Ocean Intermediate and Mode Water in Coupled Climate Models. Journal of Geophysical Research: Oceans 129, e2024JC021841. https://doi.org/10.1029/2024JC021841
L244 / Fig 4c. The %AAIW reconstruction seems to be very noisy, and so not very convincing. Unless you can show the uncertainties are tiny, I suggest not to include this record & related discussion.
RESPONSE: This is a good point, we will remove the record and related discussion
L281: Puzzle of where AABW formed in LGM. If we suppose dense water from brine rejection sinks to the seafloor, does it really matter whether it formed on the shelf or in the open ocean during the LGM? The end result would still be the same, i.e., more AABW filling the abyssal Southern Ocean?
RESPONSE: This is a good point that we will discuss. Most models form AABW in the open ocean, so in ‘model world’ such a shift is inconsequential, but the impact in the real ocean can only be guessed.
L286: Foram deposits could presumably represent short episodes with polynyas, they don’t have to be continuous?
RESPONSE: We will reword this as we didn’t mean to imply that the polynyas were continuously present, just that they continued to be present even during the much colder conditions of the LGM.
L302 “Weakening of NADW” do you mean weakening of NADW production, or export, or somehow weakening of its physical properties?
RESPONSE: We mean weakening of its production. We will clarify this sentence.
L335 “This unexpected behaviour… “ I’m not convinced that this study alone (Shub et al. 2024) from the Brazil margin in TII is itself sufficient to question a direct link between sea-ice production/extent and AABW volume.
RESPONSE: We agree, and will modify the language used
L365 / Section 3.1 (Sea ice as a buffer for ice shelves). As noted above (L91) I think this issue is still debated in the glaciology community. This section should be expanded considerably to reflect other opinions, or perhaps omitted.
RESPONSE: As noted above, we thank the reviewer for calling our attention to Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) which presents greater complexity of the relationship between sea ice, ice shelves and glacier dynamics, with their modelling work supporting the secondary contribution of landfast sea ice in buttressing ice shelves. We have re-written all of section 3.1 to reflect this, and include additional references that are part of this ongoing discussion, including Ochwat et al. (2024) and Sun et al. (2023). We also have re-worded this in accordance with details explained in Surawy-Stepney et al. (2024) who distinguish “buttressing” mechanisms versus “non-buttressing mechanisms” as related to the secondary impact the landfast sea ice can have on ice shelves.
While this topic is more complex than originally presented here, we feel it is important, so our preference is to retain this edited, expanded, and more complete presentation.
L398 “Increased stratification is also observed at the Totten Glacier…” Increased when and relative to what?
RESPONSE: This has been removed in our restructuring of this section
L418 “… during glacial climates when grounded ice expanded across the continental shelves
419 around Antarctica…” It’s really not certain that the ice sheet advanced to the shelf edge everywhere. See the Bentley paper you’ve cited, or Klages et al. 2017.
RESPONSE: Thank you - we’ve edited this sentence to more specifically note that glacial ice did not advance to the shelf edge everywhere around the continental margin, and added the reference to Klages et al. (2017).
L428, attributing sea-ice increase to greater ice sheet melt. This logic might have sounded reasonable prior to 2016, and indeed motivated a whole suite of hosing studies. But the ice sheet melting hasn’t slowed down as far as we know, yet the Antarctic sea ice is now at its lowest extent – so this argument is now seeming weaker.
RESPONSE: This has been removed in our restructuring of this section
L431-437 These are common features across many other studies too. See Swart et al. 2023 & refs therein. Or, Chen et al. 2023 for an ensemble view.
RESPONSE: Please see comments below.
L446-449, Subduction of water that has been heated by insolation: this was already covered earlier (L414 approx) but different references are cited.
RESPONSE: Thank you, yes, we appreciate your comment and based on this we have re-organized section 3.2 to minimize redundancy. We think this re-organizing provides a more streamlined text.
L442-444, L456-456: first it’s stated that increasing stratification can allow warmer CDW to access ice shelf cavities, then it’s later stated that increasing stratification prevents CDW mixing onto continental shelves. This seems contradictory, and overall I found this section (3.3) is struggling to summarise concisely a large body of research on the environmental drivers of ice shelf basal melt.
RESPONSE: As noted in the comment above, we have re-organized section 3.2. The reviewer is correct that we mis-stated the relationship between stratification and CDW access to ice shelf cavities in lines 455-456. This has been fixed.
L485-487 “This process may also have occurred westward in Prydz Bay where a similar sea-ice increase was observed”. Due to increasing super-cooled ice shelf water from where? Also not sure where do you mean by “Westward in Prydz Bay”, are you meaning west of Wilkes Land?
RESPONSE: Thank you, we’ve deleted this sentence and the reference Denis et al. (2010). The paper does report a decrease in sea ice in their Prydz Bay core but does not attribute this to super-cooled ice shelf water.
L497-L499, use past tense here.
RESPONSE: Thank you, the use of past tense has been incorporated.
L512. An increase in IRD at one site could have many different interpretations that are not necessarily indicative of ice sheet retreat. Certainly the next sentence (“This sequence of events supports the link between sea ice as a buffer for ice shelves and the potential role of decreased sea-ice cover in facilitating basal melt and ice shelf disintegration”) isn’t justified by the evidence presented here. If sea-ice provided zero buttressing to ice shelves, you would still probably end up with a time series very similar to Fig 5.
RESPONSE: This is a good point, we will modify this section to acknowledge this ambiguity in IRD records and the link between the records shown and evidence for buttressing.
L537 Should salinity be in this list of drivers?
RESPONSE: Yes, we will add salinity
L562 Why are ghost flux experiments the most compelling approach?
RESPONSE: The ghost flux experiments allow the ‘downstream’ impacts of sea ice loss to be studied, by introducing an additional heat flux to the sea ice module of a climate model. In this way they can isolate the effect of sea ice changes. However, the method does have limitations, and was shown to overestimate heating associated with Arctic sea ice loss (England et al. 2022). In the revised version we will explain the ghost flux method and point out its advantages as well as its limitations, rather than call it the most compelling method.
England, M.R., Eisenman, I., Wagner, T.J.W., 2022. Spurious Climate Impacts in Coupled Sea Ice Loss Simulations. Journal of Climate 35, 7401–7411. https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-21-0647.1
L583 “… did nothing”. Probably it did something, do you mean “had a negligible impact” or “not statistically significant” or etc.
RESPONSE: Thank you, we will change to “had a negligible impact on”
L613 “However, recent proxy records suggest the sea-ice effect on the SHW is of second Order.” That’s not supported by a following sentence “They [Kohlfield2013] concluded that making inferences about wind shifts based on paleo-evidence alone is difficult, as the data are consistent with multiple scenarios.”
RESPONSE: Thank you for pointing this out, we can see how it is confusing. The sentence about ‘second order’ refers to the work by Gray et al. 2023, which appears later in the paragraph. We will split this in two paragraphs and rewrite to eliminate the apparent contradictory sentences.
L621 “… a poleward shift of the SHW during the last deglaciation from the latitude of SST gradients in the Southern Ocean” Not sure what is meant by the latitude of an SST gradient.
RESPONSE: We have clarified this as “a poleward shift of the SHW during the deglaciation from the latitude of the steepest meridional SST gradient”
L647-650 If the ssNa signal in 5 cores examined by Buizert et al. 2018 is “weak and not observed in all cores” then how is the next statement justified (“Yet, the sign and timing of the sea-ice signal, and its relationship to the inferred wind changes, do not support a strong link between changes in sea ice and changes in atmospheric circulation over millennial timescales.” I’ve lost track of the logic here.
RESPONSE: Thank you for highlighting this. The reference to ssNa and Buizert was an error, and we can see how this whole section was confusing. We have reworded this and found further references, making it clear that the inferred sea ice changes based on ssNa consistently show a decrease in sea ice extent during Antarctic warming, but not during equatorward wind shifts.
L663 proxy record – should that be plural?
RESPONSE: corrected
L670 Rather than new modelling efforts, I would start by looking at the wealth of existing climate simulations to see if any pattern can be found beyond the SHW.
RESPONSE: This is a good suggestion- we will modify the text accordingly
L700 Interesting that sea ice supplies iron to the ocean. Where does that iron come from originally? How does it provide a link between glaciers/sediments and the ocean (L721)? Is this iron flux greater than the flux from icebergs and subglacial melt discharge?
RESPONSE: The iron from sea ice comes both from seawater itself, as well as from nearshore suspended sediments, if the ice is formed nearshore and then transported offshore. We will expand this section to put the sea ice iron sources into context relative to other iron sources. Person et al. (2021), for example show that sea ice enhances carbon export in the Southern Ocean by 8% relative to a control with no sea ice iron, while inclusion of iron from continental ice increases carbon export by 4.5%. Interestingly, they also found an interactive effect, where the sea ice iron source increases its impact in the presence of iron from continental ice, as this continental source is incorporated into sea ice, increasing its iron content.
Person, Renaud, Martin Vancoppenolle, Olivier Aumont, and Manon Malsang. “Continental and Sea Ice Iron Sources Fertilize the Southern Ocean in Synergy.” Geophysical Research Letters 48, no. 23 (2021): e2021GL094761. https://doi.org/10.1029/2021GL094761.
L731 “the length of the ice-free season determines the upper limit of opal burial in the underlying sediments”… not sure I follow this sentence, what is the upper limit of opal burial?
RESPONSE: We have rewritten as “the length of the ice-free season is an important factor in limiting how much opal can be buried in the underlying sediments”
L758-786. There’s no discussion here about the potential contribution of changes in iceberg nutrient fluxes to past changes in Southern Ocean productivity. Should be mentioned, even if to say it’s a negligible part of the budget.
RESPONSE: This is a good point, which falls into the category of ‘influences on productivity other than sea ice’. Several studies have suggested iron input from icebergs can promote productivity. If iceberg discharge decreases during cold climate states, this could theoretically explain or contribute to low productivity during glacial times. However, increased iron limitation during glacial times is not consistent with the nitrogen isotope data, which indicates more complete utilisation of nitrate at the time of low productivity. We will mention iceberg iron fluxes in the section at line ~721 where we discuss sea ice iron inputs, and note that iron availability (either more, from sea ice, or less, from icebergs) cannot explain the existing glacial-interglacial productivity and nitrate utilisation trends.
L833 Can you quantify what is “long term”?
RESPONSE: In reorganising this section we have decided to delete this sentence
L849-L852 This seems very speculative!
RESPONSE: True, we have deleted this sentence
L867-869. Have there been Earth system modelling studies of this process? They would provide some useful insights.
RESPONSE: Yes, Stein et al. 2020 and Khatiwala et al. 2019 describe results from two such earth system models. These are discussed in the paragraph starting on line 956. In the revision we will remind the reader in this paragraph about the difference found between box models and GCMs.
L911. This is an idealised experiment – but in reality would there be much upwelling under sea ice, or instead would you expect that either (1) the region of Ekman-driven upwelling would move further north, beyond the sea-ice edge, in tandem with a northwards shift in SHW, or (2) if SHW haven’t moved, then the presence of sea ice reduces Ekman divergence and upwelling. Either way there’s less upwelling under the ice.
RESPONSE: Thank you for raising this. It’s difficult to say what would be expected ‘in reality’. The idealised experiments are useful in isolating the impact of individual mechanisms. But in reality many things change at once - e.g. winds and sea-ice, temperature and the ice sheet. The work of Stein et al. 2020 explores the integrated effect of physical changes associated with orbital and greenhouse gas forcing. They find a more vigorous Southern Ocean overturning circulation during glacial climates, yet overall a decrease in the exposure of deep Southern Ocean water to the atmosphere (e.g. a decrease in ‘ventilation’). They attribute this to the presence of sea ice capping the upwelled water, and an enhanced poleward circulation, limiting the exposure time of deep water at the surface. While this is only one model, in the revised version we will discuss this result more, and also the contrast with the work of Khatiwala et al. 2019, which may be because the Khatiwala study imposed LGM sea ice on a pre-industrial circulation.
L944 “The lag between the expansion of sea ice and the decrease in CO2” That lag (of 3ka) is really not clear to me in Fig 4 and is the dating of the marine sea-ice records really good enough to resolve it?
RESPONSE: This point about the lag was made by Ai et al. 2020. We will annotate Fig 4 to better highlight this feature, which we agree is subtle. We also agree that the lack of an apparent lag in the marine records could well be due to dating uncertainties. We will highlight the need for more and better dating of marine records across the glacial inception.
L979-L981 “While we focus here on modern studies, as well as paleo-records spanning the last glacial cycle (150 – 0 ka), processes described are also applicable to more ancient, recent, and future conditions” What is the difference, in this paper’s context, between modern and recent?
RESPONSE: Good point, we didn’t mean to imply a distinction between modern and recent, and have deleted the reference to ‘recent’ in this sentence.
L993-995 “To increase our knowledge and further improve our understanding, we need paleo-records with higher temporal resolution and better chronologic control in more areas of the Southern Ocean” I don’t think any reader of CP would disagree with that, but obviously that’s a big task… Can you help by recommending some particular regions or time periods that should be targeted? I also wonder about the chronological control – yes this is an important issue, particularly when comparing multiple sites or data vs models, but it was really skipped over in this review.
RESPONSE: Thank you for this excellent suggestion. The main region needing better covering is the Antarctic zone, while the main time periods needing more coverage are the glacial inception as well as millennial-scale variability during MIS 3. In the revised version we will highlight these aspects. We agree about the chronological control, which is needed in particular to make inferences from the relative timing of changes in sea ice and other aspects of the system- we will make this point in the body of the review and again in this concluding section.
Table 1: Not referred to anywhere in the text, and not very helpful as it over-simplifies processes that are already covered only briefly in the text. Suggest to delete it.
RESPONSE: We agree with this perspective, and will remove Table 1, replacing it with a ‘knowledge gaps’ subsection in each major section.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3504-AC2
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[General comments]
In this manuscript, the authors comprehensively survey numerous papers on the role of sea ice in the Southern Ocean in the climate system, and succeeds in collecting vast amounts of information on the topic. The authors' attempt to provide an excellent overview on the issue surely has a potential to be appreciated by scientists of diverse research fields, and in particular, their effort to discuss how sea ice has interacted with other subsystems during past large-scale climate changes from a paleoclimatological perspective should be a novel and scientifically worthwhile conception. However, I have to raise serious concern that the specific methods used to organize the research findings and the manner to present them to readers are not necessarily optimal. The manuscript tries to cover vast amounts of phenomena and information; of necessity, the authors should pay close attention to methods for organizing and communicating them. I am certain that this manuscript will be dramatically improved and will realize its potential with a proper methodology to convey the authors' arguments in a clear and accessible manner. In addition, I also point out that the manuscript would be further enhanced by including descriptions on interactive feedback between Antarctic sea-ice and other Earth system components and a discussion on the role of paleo studies in the improvement of our knowledge about the Earth system.
[Major issues]
1. Each section is poorly structured.
In each of the main sections, descriptions based on varying methodology (e.g. theory, modelling, modern observation, and paleo evidence) appear in a semi-random way, and besides, they have different structures (e.g. some sections have subsections, but others not). Therefore, it would be troublesome for readers to grasp the contents smoothly. To clarify the contributions from different methodologies, I would suggest several ideas for improvement.
- It would be helpful that each section has a table that summarizes the survey corresponding to the section. The potential table would have a similar structure to that of current Table 1; namely, columns for hypotheses based on theory and/or modelling, modern observation, paleo evidence, and so on. Then, rows would be allotted to important processes (rather than sub-components) that are relevant to the section topic.
- All the main sections should have a common subsection structure. The structure might be in line with the section's table that is suggested above.
- I would point out that the current manuscript only has insufficient visualization. I believe it will be certainly beneficial if the manuscript has more schematic illustrations that show not only the name of components but also key mechanisms or processes discussed in the main text. Fig.1 of Lannuzel et al. (2020) might be a good example of such a schematic.
2. Table 1 should be updated accordingly.
I would suggest that the general summary should have more visualized expression that conveys the information in a more intuitive way. For example, direction of changes, correlation strength, uncertainty/reliability, and so forth would be depicted as symbols with different sizes, colors, thickness, etc. An example of such an illustration might be found in Table 1 of Henson et al. (2022; https://doi.org/10.1038/s41561-022-00927-0).
Apart from this, Table 1 also raises some conceptual concerns (see item #5).
3. The manuscript contains a huge number of acronyms.
I would suggest that the authors should show a list of the acronyms that are used in the text.
4. "Antarctic sea-ice .... as drivers of substantial Earth system changes." (Lines 113-115)
As represented by this sentence, the authors' only discuss "one-way" influences of Antarctic sea ice on other components of the Earth system. However, the relationship between the sea ice and other components should be interactive: what determines the sea-ice extent? or which controls which? In other words, not only a correlation between them but also their causal relationship should be discussed, which may be based on theoretical inferences and/or fact-based (e.g. timing analyses) discussion.
5. What is the significance of paleo studies?
In some rows of Table.1, especially in the Atmosphere row, (some of) the paleo observations are treated as counter evidence, rather than positive proof. What is the background "philosophy" of this manuscript that gives more weight to other methodologies, although it is defined as "perspectives informed by 130,000 years of sea ice records"? Of course, it is well known that extracting meaningful signals from paleo indicators is not always straightforward, and that non-negligible uncertainty often arises in their interpretation. In a general sense, when reconstructions from paleoenvironmental research conflict with understandings based on other methods, what criteria should be used to judge, and how should we move on? If this manuscript handle and discuss this fundamental issue, it will make a major contribution to research communities.
6. Section 5.2: dimethyl sulphide
It seems to be somewhat peculiar that the authors suddenly start a topic about a particular chemical compound, although they deal with large components or subsystems in the Earth system in other (sub)sections. Is there any particular reasons for that? Otherwise, the section 5.2 would look anomalous.
[A comparatively minor issue]
- l.68 regime shift
What exactly does this "regime" indicate? Do we find any evidence or trace of a similar regime shift in the paleo-record? If yes, descriptions about recorded shifts should be added. If not, the reasons why such a shift is not recorded in the history of large-scale climate changes.