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Doomed descent? How fast sulphate signals diffuse in the EPICA Dome C ice column
Abstract. The loss of climate information due to smoothing of ionic impurity signals in ice provides a strong motivation for understanding their diffusion rates at ice-core sites. By analysing sulphate signals in the EPICA Dome C (EDC) core, recent studies estimated the vertical profile of effective diffusivity Deff at that site. However, Deff crudely approximates the local diffusivity D in the ice, it being a nonuniform-weighted average of D over large intervals. We formulate the mathematical inversion for retrieving the D profile from observed signals, which reconciles the findings of the earlier studies as well as elucidating the averaging approximation. Inversion for EDC sulphate reveals a rapid decrease in D through the firn layer – from ≈ 10–6 m2 yr–1 at the surface to ≈ 1.7 × 10–8 m2 yr–1 at the firn-ice transition (≈ 100 m depth, ≈ 2.5 ka), followed by a gradual decline to ≈ 10–10 m2 yr–1 through 100–2700 m (2.5–390 ka). This profile enables new interpretation of sulphate transport in the EDC column. We propose vapour diffusion of H2SO4 through interconnecting air pores as the cause of the high firn diffusivity. By evaluating the mechanisms controlling D below the firn (diffusion through ice crystals, liquid veins and grain boundaries and diffusion arising from interfacial motion), we infer a dominant partitioning of signals immediately below the firn to a connected vein system, and progressive smoothing of vein signals by Gibbs–Thomson diffusion down to ≈ 2000 m depth, which leaves more and more of the remaining signals to grain boundaries. We conclude that those sulphate signals that survive the initial fast diffusion in the firn to “punch through” to its base might survive into deep ice, and that EDC sulphate preserves a strongly filtered history of volcanic and climatic forcing that underrepresents changes and events shorter than a few years. For the Beyond EPICA – Oldest Ice and Million Year Ice Core drilling sites on Little Dome C, calculations assuming a diffusivity profile like our EDC profile and not exceeding 10–10 m2 yr–1 in ice older than 450 ka constrain the sulphate diffusion length in ice 1–2 Ma old to 2 cm at most, and probably as low as ≈ 1 cm, for atmospheric-sourced signals that experienced only diffusion and mechanical shortening in the column.
Competing interests: Tyler J. Fudge is an editorial board member of The Cryosphere.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1566', Anonymous Referee #1, 29 Jun 2025
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Felix Ng, 21 Aug 2025
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2025/egusphere-2025-1566/egusphere-2025-1566-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC3: 'Reply on RC1', Felix Ng, 22 Aug 2025
Please note the following minor typo in our response to RC1. On the last two lines of page 1, the phrase "recounting too much" is meant to be "recounting enough". Thank you for your attention.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1566-AC3
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Felix Ng, 21 Aug 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1566', Anders Svensson, 03 Aug 2025
The manuscript aims at quantifying the (effective) diffusivity of sulfate ions in the upper 2700m/~400ka of the EPICA EDC ice core. A nice theory for the involved processes is developed, at least for the upper part of the ice sheet, and based on results from previous work, the manuscript does come up an improved understanding of the topic and novel results. Overall, I mostly have a few comments to the manuscript, not any major concerns.
The manuscript is rather long, explaining every step taken in full detail. It would be an option to move some of the derivations into appendices. On the other hand, it is nice as a reader to be guided carefully through the various steps, so if it is not a concern of the journal, I would not recommend shortening it. In general, the manuscript is extremely well written and well illustrated. Obviously, a lot of effort has already gone into streamlining this manuscript.
The topic of determining the (effective) diffusivity at the EDC site has recently been the topic of two other papers in Climate of the Past. The current manuscript carefully explains why those studies reached deviating results/conclusions and elegantly develops a more advanced theoretical framework that is able to reproduce the previous results and explain where they went wrong/made too bold approximations. In particular, the diffusion of sulfate in the firn layer appears to be an important consideration that needs to be taken into account. The firn has been known to be important for diffusion of water isotopes for a long time, and it would be interesting to know which other components have important signal dampening by firn diffusion. And what about dust particles that are not supposed to diffuse importantly, can they teach us about what other processes are important for signal disturbance in the deeper ice?
Still, with all the improvements introduced in the current manuscript it is remarkable to see in Figure 9 that all of the estimated contributions to the sulfate signal diffusivity are INCREASING with depth/age whereas the observed diffusivity clearly is decreasing with depth/age even with a temperature profile that increases with depth. Indeed, there are additional layers of understanding of the topic to disentangle in future studies. Clearly, a lot can be explained be letting the different suggested types of diffusion phase in at out at different depths/ages, but as I see it, there must still be something quite fundamental lacking for our understanding of the topic. For example, the effect of dust or other impurities, the development of size and/or orientation of ice crystals with depth. Let alone, the strange-looking sulfate peak shapes observed in the deeper sections of the EDC ice core (not something that has been observed in Greenland to my knowledge). Hopefully, soon-to-appear very high resolution records of ion locations and other properties in ice cores will enlighten us.
Although the study is concerned with sulfate spikes in the EDC ice core only, the developed theory can be applied to other ice cores provided high-resolution sulfate records and other essential records are available. As I understand it, the theory could even be applied for other types of ions or impurities provided the necessary records are available. The EDC core is of particular interest due to the recent arrival of the BE-OIC oldest continuous ice core from Antarctica that currently has a lot of attention and for which the preservation of signal strength in the deepest ice is a major point of interest. A logical next step for the present study would be to apply the developed theory to other ice cores and to get a more general overview of the signal preservation of impurities in ice with different properties. For example, it would be very useful to know which magnitude of volcanic eruptions that will survive to which depth/age in different ice cores, eg a figure 10 that covers other ice cores. It is understandable, however, that the current manuscript does not cover those topics.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Felix Ng, 21 Aug 2025
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2025/egusphere-2025-1566/egusphere-2025-1566-AC2-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Felix Ng, 21 Aug 2025
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