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Assessing the impact of landwater on the Northwest Pacific using normalized Total Alkalinity
Abstract. The impact of landwater was assessed using salinity-normalized Total Alkalinity observations. The observational data included surface carbonate parameters from decades of surveys conducted by volunteer cargo ships and research vessels in the Northwest Pacific. Statistical processes, such as re-gridding and Fourier regression, used in a previous study were also applied in this study to improve the spatiotemporal resolution. First, the seawater area affected by landwater was identified using an Empirical Orthogonal Function analysis of normalized Total Alkalinity. The differences in normalized Total Alkalinity and Dissolved Inorganic Carbon from the surrounding area were then analysed to evaluate the causes such as landwater supply, advection effects, and biological activities. In addition, the impact of landwater on oceanic CO2 uptake and acidification in the study area was assessed. The analysis showed that landwater was the main source of total coastal Alkalinity but was not the dominant cause of Dissolved Inorganic Carbon. The supply of landwater had little effect on oceanic CO2 uptake throughout the year. The supply of by landwater was a factor in coastal acidification; however, the supplied Total Alkalinity reduced the overall acidification trend by 65 %. The results of this study are expected to be further improved by enhancing observations, such as the vertical profiles of carbonate parameters, and are expected to expand to other sea areas and be applied to global budgets.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3792', Anonymous Referee #1, 21 Feb 2025
Review of the manuscript "Assessing the impact of landwater on the Northwest Pacific using normalized Total Alkalinity" by Tatsuki Tokoro, Shin-Ichiro Nakaoka, Shintaro Takao, Shu Saito, Daisuke Sasano, Kazutaka Enyo, Masao Ishii, Naohiro Kosugi, Tsuneo Ono, Kazuaki Tadokoro, and Yukihiro Nojiri
GENERAL COMMENTS:This manuscript's primary goal was to analyze the influence of land water on the carbonate systems in the Northwest Pacific region close to Japan using mainly normalized TA (nTA) and DIC (nDIC) with ancillary data of fCO2 and calcite saturation state. The authors also aimed to evaluate the effects of landwater on future climate change, coastal acidification, and environmental changes. Although it is important to continue to further the understanding of the carbonate system dynamics and consequences of climate change and acidification in coastal areas, some aspects of this manuscript are concerning.
First, the authors do not define landwater in the main text, which is the focus of this manuscript. Landwater can be any body of water (e.g., floods, lakes, rivers) on land. The authors show in the supplement material which rivers they selected to represent landwater (Text S2), referencing this information only in the results section of the main text. Furthermore, the authors cite studies of coastal and landwater bodies to generally state that landwaters are responsible for atmospheric CO2 emissions and acidification, which is misleading. Although many studies show that coastal waters can strongly contribute to CO2 emissions, there is still some debate as they can also act as sinks (e.e., Borges et al. GRL, 2005; Mathis et al. Nature Climate Change, 2024). Therefore, I strongly recommend that the authors define the term landwater (generally and for this manuscript) in the main text. I suggest changing to riverine contribution or a similar term, as it is more significant for biogeochemical studies in coastal waters, and it would reach a broader audience.
Second, the authors show little knowledge of the carbonate system, as illustrated by some affirmations regarding, for instance, the definition of alkalinity and on what it depends. More concerning, they state that TA could affect air-sea CO2 fluxes, which is mistaken. I suggest revising the chemical concepts and, thus, the consequent discussion and conclusions. Some of the methodology is not well explained and rather referenced to previous work or public datasets. For the purpose of FAIR data, this section of the manuscript should be improved.
Third, their methodology strongly relied on the EOF analysis, where their mode decomposition showed that their main three modes explain less than 50% of the spatiotemporal variability (Figure 2 a-c), which questions the degree of confidence of the landwater influence over the study region. Moreover, the discussion does little exploration of other factors that could explain other affecting factors.
Finally, the text is not concise and strenuous to follow at times. The introduction section could be better structured. In addition, it lacks important information (references), such as landwater impact in the study region and the magnitude of its contribution to the carbon cycle.
Based on this consideration and further specific notes, I recommend this article to go under major revision before a second revision by peers.
SPECIFIC NOTES:A figure of the studies region (either in the introduction or SM), highlighting the main rivers considered in this study would improve the understanding of the results and the its impact.
Lines 32-35: Strong statements. Please define what are is being considered as landwater. Also, please provide a range of how much (ballpark) the land water is contributing to the Co2 emission and acidification.
Line 35-36: "However, strong carbon flows, such as biological pumps, impact carbonate distribution in coastal areas". Is it a positive or negative impact?
Line 39-40: "Therefore, it is crucial to assess the impacts of landwater on oceanic CO2 uptake and coastal acidification". I fail to see why it is important? Is it because of the contrast between the NW Pacific Ocean sink? If so, it would be interesting to provide information (with number) in this paragraph about how much the landwater in Japan contributes to the regional carbon budget.
Line 43: "variations in landwater in seas in this region". Did you mean just landwater in this region? Explain or rephrase it.
Line 43: "land water tracers". For the public that do not know, please provide some examples of land water tracers.
Line 45: "other factors such as precipitation and evaporation also impact". Salinity can signal effects of precipitation and evaporation with fresher and saltier values respectively. On this statement, did you mean that precipitation and evaporation have not been intricacy studied such as with the use of isotopes as oxygen-18?
Lines 45-47: "This omission ... of and-water ... been observed." (1) remove "and-"; (2) This is an information on effects of precipitation and evaporation on the open ocean. What is the relation with the previous sentence? How is the land water impacting the coastal area of Japan?
Line 50: "defined by the charge balance of dissolved ions, such as hydrogen carbonate (Zeebe and Wolf-Glad-row, 2001)". For general understanding, one can state this definition. However, it is not accurate. TA is defined after Andrew Dickson DSR Part A (1981) as the balance between protons acceptors and proton donors. Please correct the reference and state that this is a broad definition of TA.
Lines 51-52: "TA depends on several factors, such as advection from different water masses and biological metabolism, including the calcification and dissolution of calcium carbonate." Depends is a strong verb here. TA depends on its sources, which essentially is the process of rock weathering which will provide the major ions, with some biological processes as stated. More currently, the discharge of high nutrient waters due to agriculture has strongly altered TA in some coastal regions. The advection of water masses only displaces the water parcel with a X TA value. Thus, please rephrase this sentence. Also, I suggest looking into these references instead: Zeebe and Wolf-Gladrow (2001); Wolf-Gladrow et al. Mar Them 106 (2007); Kerr et al. Mar Them 237 (2021).
Line 55: Please add reference for this equation
Lines 57-58: " Equation (1) is formulated based on the assumption that a water mass with zero salinity has zero TA." Reference?
Line 63: "langwater" landwater?
Line 72: "on the environment" It is too general. Please specify on which environment (e.g., the NW Pacific Ocean, Japan's coastal region).
Lines 72-74: "Seawater CO2 fugacity (fCO2) and the calcite saturation state of seawater (Ωcal) were the two carbonate parameters that were used as the index of environmental changes caused by landwater input." Why these two?
Line 74: "affects–the" remove the dash
Lines 74-75: "The TA and DIC supplied by landwater should change seawater fCO2 and oceanic CO2 uptake." TA does not affect the air-sea CO2 flux as CO2 does not constitute TA, hence, only DIC affects air-sea CO2 balance. Please rephrase this sentence.
Line 76: "is an index of ocean acidification". Why not aragonite since it is more sensible to acidification than calcite, specially in open ocean conditions? Please explain in a sentence your choice on using calcite instead of aragonite.
Line 77: "supplied by landwater" Rivers or industrial discharge? What is the definition of landwater used in the manuscript?
Line 76-79: "In coastal areas ... Wallace et al., 2014)." This sentence seems better placed at the beginning of the introductions where explaining the importance of studying the impacts of land water.
Line 96: "temporal data (n > = 60)" Does this correspond to 6 years? Please clarify in the text.
Line 110-111: "we identified that “Area A” was significantly influenced by landwater." This seems like a results phrase because I was hoping for a citing figure to show this.
Line 113: "the value of Area A minus that of Area B" Do you mean, the nTA value of Area A minus the nTA value of area B? Please clarify.
Line 115: Did the EOF analysis generate equation 2?
Line 117: "to exclude the effect of seawater volume change due to landwater inflow" Is this a next step? Seems that there is some information missing to support this phrase.
Lines 118-122: "Flux is the term ... to the DIC input" I suggest separating this section in smaller sentences for clarity.'Cflux is the term of difference in air-sea CO2 flux between Areas A and B divided by mixed layer depth (MLD). The MLD was calculated from the reanalysis data of seawater temperature profiles by Japan Agency for 120 Marine-Earth Science and Technology (JCOPE2M; Miyazawa et al., 2017, 2019, https://www.jamstec.go.jp/jcope/htdocs/distribution/). We determined an isothermal depth at ∆T = 0.2 °C with linear interpolation (de Boyer Montégut et al., 2004; Holte and Talley, 2009).'
Also, the MLD is receptive to each area, correct?Line 122: "This term" Which one?
Line 124: "for river discharge" First time rivers are mentioned. Is this your definition for landwater?
Line 131: "Notably" I don't think it is notable to someone unfamiliar to the region. Just remove the word from the sentence. However, DIC has seasonal variations then?
Lines 131-132: "however, the effect of spatial differences among the three bays was more pronounced." Is there a figure to show this? Please provide one.
Lines 134-137: Generally for the purpose of data transparency, it would be beneficial to have a simple equation showing the general calculation of the CO2 flux (e.g, FCO2 = (fCO2_air-fCO2_sw)*solubility_product*transfer_coefficient). The internal calculations of fCO2 by the instrument could be cited to the previous study then, although a mention of which instrument was used also help to determine the whole internal calculations process of fCO2. Please add a general equation for the air-sea CO2 flux.
Lines 140-144: "Although both seawater fCO2 and Ωcal can be unambiguously determined ... between SSS and nTA and nDIC". Please clarify, were fCO2 and calcite saturation state calculated from a multivariate linear model using TA and DIC? If so, why not use well stablished calculation routines (seacarb, CO2SYS, pyCO2SYS) which consider the non-linearity of the carbonate system parameters?
Line 147: "was attributed to freshwater inflow from the Amur River in the north and high evaporation at horse latitudes." What was the average inflow of Amur river and levels of evaporation in the horse latitude area compared to other analysed river, areas to make this attribution?
Line 148: "(32–34°N, 132–140°E; Figure 1a" A rectangle in Figure 1a could help the visualisation.
Line 151-152: "which was consistent with the TA value of the Amur River ... and Japanese river water" Does this information partially answers my observation for line 147?
Line 153: "nTA was inversely proportional to SSS" This is an artfact of the calculation of normalisation.
Lines 165-166: "and maximum nTA was observed in summer south of 37°N, whereas the maximum was in winter north of 37°N (data not shown)" Sentence not clear. What is the second maximum (winter) referred to?
Line 166: "thereby reaching its peak in summer on the Pacific side" Is there precipitation data to support this results or is it based on the literature/meteo data center? If so, please provide a reference.
Lines 197-198: "of all dAB tended to increase significantly" even SST (Figure 3e)?
Line 198: "This indicates that the supply of landwater increased" One removes the influence of riverine input when applying the traditional equation to normalize TA. What does measured TA show?
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3792-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Tatsuki Tokoro, 18 Apr 2025
GENERAL COMMENTS:
This manuscript's primary goal was to analyze the influence of land water on the carbonate systems in the Northwest Pacific region close to Japan using mainly normalized TA (nTA) and DIC (nDIC) with ancillary data of fCO2 and calcite saturation state. The authors also aimed to evaluate the effects of landwater on future climate change, coastal acidification, and environmental changes. Although it is important to continue to further the understanding of the carbonate system dynamics and consequences of climate change and acidification in coastal areas, some aspects of this manuscript are concerning.
Thank you for reviewing our paper. Below are responses to individual comments.
First, the authors do not define landwater in the main text, which is the focus of this manuscript. Landwater can be any body of water (e.g., floods, lakes, rivers) on land. The authors show in the supplement material which rivers they selected to represent landwater (Text S2), referencing this information only in the results section of the main text. Furthermore, the authors cite studies of coastal and landwater bodies to generally state that landwaters are responsible for atmospheric CO2 emissions and acidification, which is misleading. Although many studies show that coastal waters can strongly contribute to CO2 emissions, there is still some debate as they can also act as sinks (e.e., Borges et al. GRL, 2005; Mathis et al. Nature Climate Change, 2024). Therefore, I strongly recommend that the authors define the term landwater (generally and for this manuscript) in the main text. I suggest changing to riverine contribution or a similar term, as it is more significant for biogeochemical studies in coastal waters, and it would reach a broader audience.
We agree that the definition of “landwater” was ambiguous and misleading to the description of air-water CO2 flux. In fact, it was the sum of the river inflow shown in Text S2, so we changed the term to “riverine water” according to the comment. We thought that the definition was obvious, thus we did not add a description of the definition.
Second, the authors show little knowledge of the carbonate system, as illustrated by some affirmations regarding, for instance, the definition of alkalinity and on what it depends. More concerning, they state that TA could affect air-sea CO2 fluxes, which is mistaken. I suggest revising the chemical concepts and, thus, the consequent discussion and conclusions. Some of the methodology is not well explained and rather referenced to previous work or public datasets. For the purpose of FAIR data, this section of the manuscript should be improved.Specifically, we responded to individual comments below, but some misunderstandings are included. The definition of alkalinity proposed by Andrew Dickson is a clear one, but it would be complex and far away from the main content in this study. For example, the explanation about proton donors and acceptors are voluminous but unrelated to the main content in this study. In this paper, we have tried to keep the description as simple as possible, citing a reference for the detailed explanation. Additionally, it is a misunderstanding that alkalinity has no effect on CO2 flux. For example, if DIC is constant and TA increases, the CO2 concentration in seawater will decrease due to the dissociation of CO2 to carbonate ions, and air-water CO2 flux should be affected. Finally, we agree that some parts of the methodology are not fully explained, but we judged that it would be redundant to include the same information as our previous papers (Tokoro et al., 2023) in this paper.
Third, their methodology strongly relied on the EOF analysis, where their mode decomposition showed that their main three modes explain less than 50% of the spatiotemporal variability (Figure 2 a-c), which questions the degree of confidence of the landwater influence over the study region. Moreover, the discussion does little exploration of other factors that could explain other affecting factors.This value of less than 50% is affected by variations north of 37°N. Because of the extreme complexity of the variability in the area, only about half of the variability could be explained by mode 1-3. However, this paper focuses on the variations south of that latitude. Only mode 1 was the dominant explanation for the nTA variation in the area because the EOF analysis results after mode 2 were for variations north of 37°N. Other affecting factors are not listed because it was not possible to assume anything other than riverine water that causes nTA maxima in summer and the effect is inversely proportional to distance from land.
Finally, the text is not concise and strenuous to follow at times. The introduction section could be better structured. In addition, it lacks important information (references), such as landwater impact in the study region and the magnitude of its contribution to the carbon cycle.We improved the text by addressing the individual comments below.
Based on this consideration and further specific notes, I recommend this article to go under major revision before a second revision by peers.SPECIFIC NOTES:
A figure of the studies region (either in the introduction or SM), highlighting the main rivers considered in this study would improve the understanding of the results and the its impact.
We agree with this comment in part, but the dense distribution of the rivers will make it difficult to see what is illustrated in the figure.
Lines 32-35: Strong statements. Please define what are is being considered as landwater. Also, please provide a range of how much (ballpark) the land water is contributing to the Co2 emission and acidification.
As mentioned above, all term of “landwater” was rewritten as “riverine water”. We think the definition of this term is obvious. The range of riverine water effects is discussed by the description Figure 5.
Line 35-36: "However, strong carbon flows, such as biological pumps, impact carbonate distribution in coastal areas". Is it a positive or negative impact?
It depends on what you consider positive or negative, but we think it affects both sides. For example, increased biological pump in coastal areas will increase atmospheric CO2 absorption, but it will also progress the anoxia on the sediment. We added the description in the main text (Line 36-38).
Line 39-40: "Therefore, it is crucial to assess the impacts of landwater on oceanic CO2 uptake and coastal acidification". I fail to see why it is important? Is it because of the contrast between the NW Pacific Ocean sink? If so, it would be interesting to provide information (with number) in this paragraph about how much the landwater in Japan contributes to the regional carbon budget.
What we wanted to indicate is that the assessment of the impact of riverine water to the carbon budget in the Northwestern Pacific, which plays a crucial role in global carbon cycle, is important for understanding the carbon dynamics in this area and predicting future climate change impact. The information about how much the riverine water contributes to the regional carbon budget is not clearly shown in the previous references, and the quantification is the objective of this study. Since the original text was difficult to understand, it has been revised as “The Northwest Pacific Ocean, including the coastal areas of Japan, plays a crucial role in global carbon cycle due to the strong sinks of atmospheric CO2 (Takahashi et al., 2002, 2009).” (Line 42-43).
Line 43: "variations in landwater in seas in this region". Did you mean just landwater in this region? Explain or rephrase it.
We mean the contribution of riverine water in this region. The text was revised as “variations in riverine water contribution in this region” (Line 45).
Line 43: "land water tracers". For the public that do not know, please provide some examples of land water tracers.
Salinity, stable isotope, and geogenic solutes like silica are representative tracers. We added the information in the text (Line 46)
Line 45: "other factors such as precipitation and evaporation also impact". Salinity can signal effects of precipitation and evaporation with fresher and saltier values respectively. On this statement, did you mean that precipitation and evaporation have not been intricacy studied such as with the use of isotopes as oxygen-18?
No. Many studies using salinity and O18 as tracers have quantified the effects of precipitation and evaporation. What we are trying to show here is that salinity alone is not a direct tracer for riverine water, not like nTA.
Lines 45-47: "This omission ... of and-water ... been observed." (1) remove "and-"; (2) This is an information on effects of precipitation and evaporation on the open ocean. What is the relation with the previous sentence? How is the land water impacting the coastal area of Japan?
(1) We deleted the word. (2) Although the scope of this study is the coastal area, the analysis includes the open ocean up to 1000 km from land (Fig. 2e) to identify the range of the coastal area. Therefore, using salinity as a tracer may cause error in the identification of the extent.
Line 50: "defined by the charge balance of dissolved ions, such as hydrogen carbonate (Zeebe and Wolf-Glad-row, 2001)". For general understanding, one can state this definition. However, it is not accurate. TA is defined after Andrew Dickson DSR Part A (1981) as the balance between protons acceptors and proton donors. Please correct the reference and state that this is a broad definition of TA.
We added “broadly” in the text (Line 53). As mentioned above, the definition of Andrew Dickson is too long and far from the main contents as the description in this study. We cited Zeebe and Wolf-Gladrow 2001 which contains the definition of Andrew Dickson (Line 54).
Lines 51-52: "TA depends on several factors, such as advection from different water masses and biological metabolism, including the calcification and dissolution of calcium carbonate." Depends is a strong verb here. TA depends on its sources, which essentially is the process of rock weathering which will provide the major ions, with some biological processes as stated. More currently, the discharge of high nutrient waters due to agriculture has strongly altered TA in some coastal regions. The advection of water masses only displaces the water parcel with a X TA value. Thus, please rephrase this sentence. Also, I suggest looking into these references instead: Zeebe and Wolf-Gladrow (2001); Wolf-Gladrow et al. Mar Them 106 (2007); Kerr et al. Mar Them 237 (2021).
The word “depends” was replaced to “changes” according to the comment (Line 54). The references you gave us were very helpful in advancing our understanding.
Line 55: Please add reference for this equation
The references in the previous sentence (e.g., Broecker and Peng, 1982; Lee et al., 2006; Millero et al., 1998) are applicable. We moved the references to the sentence (Line 57).
Lines 57-58: " Equation (1) is formulated based on the assumption that a water mass with zero salinity has zero TA." Reference?
It is obvious that TA = 0 when S = 0 in the equation, otherwise the right-hand side of Equation (1) would go to infinity. We added the explanation (Line 61).
Line 63: "langwater" landwater?
We replaced to “riverine water”.
Line 72: "on the environment" It is too general. Please specify on which environment (e.g., the NW Pacific Ocean, Japan's coastal region).
We rewrote as “environment in riverine water-affected area” (Line 76-77).
Lines 72-74: "Seawater CO2 fugacity (fCO2) and the calcite saturation state of seawater (Ωcal) were the two carbonate parameters that were used as the index of environmental changes caused by landwater input." Why these two?
This is because these parameters are related to atmospheric CO2 exchange and ocean acidification, respectively, as explained in the following sentences.
Line 74: "affects–the" remove the dash
We corrected the words.
Lines 74-75: "The TA and DIC supplied by landwater should change seawater fCO2 and oceanic CO2 uptake." TA does not affect the air-sea CO2 flux as CO2 does not constitute TA, hence, only DIC affects air-sea CO2 balance. Please rephrase this sentence.
This is misunderstanding. TA certainly does not contain CO2, but if TA changes, the CO2 concentration should actually change because the equilibrium among CO2, bicarbonate ion, and carbonate ion should change. For example, if TA increases at the same DIC, CO2 concentration should decrease due to the CO2 dissociation into the ions.
Line 76: "is an index of ocean acidification". Why not aragonite since it is more sensible to acidification than calcite, specially in open ocean conditions? Please explain in a sentence your choice on using calcite instead of aragonite.
Calcite was used because foraminifera, coccolithophorid, and bivalves was assumed to be main species affected by acidification in the study area. Especially, bivalves are important species affected by coastal acidification. We added the explanation in the text (Line 81-82).
Line 77: "supplied by landwater" Rivers or industrial discharge? What is the definition of landwater used in the manuscript?
As mentioned above, “landwater” was replaced by “riverine water”.
Line 76-79: "In coastal areas ... Wallace et al., 2014)." This sentence seems better placed at the beginning of the introductions where explaining the importance of studying the impacts of land water.
We moved the sentence to the first paragraph (Line 38-40) according to the comment.
Line 96: "temporal data (n > = 60)" Does this correspond to 6 years? Please clarify in the text.
Yes. This corresponds to 6-years data. The threshold was defined from statistical analysis in the previous study (Line 99).
Line 110-111: "we identified that “Area A” was significantly influenced by landwater." This seems like a results phrase because I was hoping for a citing figure to show this.
This sentence only defines the label for “Area A” and does not show the specific extent of the area. We rewrote as “we identified the area significantly influenced by riverine water and labeled as “Area A”” (Line 117-119).
Line 113: "the value of Area A minus that of Area B" Do you mean, the nTA value of Area A minus the nTA value of area B? Please clarify.
We defined dAB as the value of Area A minus the value of Area B for all relevant parameters such as SST, SSS as well as nTA (Line 119-121).
Line 115: Did the EOF analysis generate equation 2?
No. The equation 2 has nothing to do with EOF analysis. EOF analysis is used only to identify Area A.
Line 117: "to exclude the effect of seawater volume change due to landwater inflow" Is this a next step? Seems that there is some information missing to support this phrase.
We agree that this sentence is misleading. Here we simply want to indicate that dAB in the equation was calculated from the normalized values, thus the relevant sentence was deleted.
Lines 118-122: "Flux is the term ... to the DIC input" I suggest separating this section in smaller sentences for clarity.'Cflux is the term of difference in air-sea CO2 flux between Areas A and B divided by mixed layer depth (MLD). The MLD was calculated from the reanalysis data of seawater temperature profiles by Japan Agency for 120 Marine-Earth Science and Technology (JCOPE2M; Miyazawa et al., 2017, 2019, https://www.jamstec.go.jp/jcope/htdocs/distribution/). We determined an isothermal depth at ∆T = 0.2 °C with linear interpolation (de Boyer Montégut et al., 2004; Holte and Talley, 2009).'
Also, the MLD is receptive to each area, correct?We rewrote the sentences according to the comment. The MLD was processed with the same spatiotemporal resolutions with other parameters like nTA, thus is receptive to each area (Line 126-128).
Line 122: "This term" Which one?
The term of Cflux (Line 129-130) because air-sea CO2 flux does not change TA. Please note that this is consistent with TA affecting air-sea CO2 flux as mentioned above.
Line 124: "for river discharge" First time rivers are mentioned. Is this your definition for landwater?
Yes. Thus the term landwater was replaced by riverine water.
Line 131: "Notably" I don't think it is notable to someone unfamiliar to the region. Just remove the word from the sentence. However, DIC has seasonal variations then?
The word was removed. The seasonal variation of DIC was included in the DIC range (±200 μmol kg-1, Tokoro et al., 2021). The seasonal variation of TA is considered to be negligible from referential data (Line 138-142).
Lines 131-132: "however, the effect of spatial differences among the three bays was more pronounced." Is there a figure to show this? Please provide one.
TA ranges between the three bays are listed (518-1006 μmol kg-1, Line 1366). Since there was no evidence for seasonal variations of TA, a reference about TA variation of global river was added (Romero-Mujalli et al., 2018, Line 139). The seasonal variation in the literature is a few tens of μmol kg-1, which is an order of magnitude smaller than the inner bays range and negligible. We rewrote the description related to the above (Line 139-143).
Lines 134-137: Generally for the purpose of data transparency, it would be beneficial to have a simple equation showing the general calculation of the CO2 flux (e.g, FCO2 = (fCO2_air-fCO2_sw)*solubility_product*transfer_coefficient). The internal calculations of fCO2 by the instrument could be cited to the previous study then, although a mention of which instrument was used also help to determine the whole internal calculations process of fCO2. Please add a general equation for the air-sea CO2 flux.
We added the description about air-sea CO2 flux according to the comment (Line 144-148).
Lines 140-144: "Although both seawater fCO2 and Ωcal can be unambiguously determined ... between SSS and nTA and nDIC". Please clarify, were fCO2 and calcite saturation state calculated from a multivariate linear model using TA and DIC? If so, why not use well stablished calculation routines (seacarb, CO2SYS, pyCO2SYS) which consider the non-linearity of the carbonate system parameters?
No, calcite saturation state was calculated as the same equation of CO2sys. We added the information as “.Ωcal was determined using the equation of a calcite solubility product (Mucci, 1983) and the concentration of Ca2+ and CO32- estimated using the CO2SYS program (Lewis and Wallace, 1998). ” (Line 153-155). The multivariate model was used to evaluate the relationship between these parameters and SST, SSS, nTA , and nDIC in a linear and intuitively understandable form.
Line 147: "was attributed to freshwater inflow from the Amur River in the north and high evaporation at horse latitudes." What was the average inflow of Amur river and levels of evaporation in the horse latitude area compared to other analysed river, areas to make this attribution?
We rewrote this sentence as “which was attributed to the high-salinity Kuroshio current and the relatively low salinity Oyashio current.” because it is more appropriate to use high-salinity Kuroshio and relatively low-salinity Oyashio as a general explanation for the SSS gradient (Line 162-163).
Line 148: "(32–34°N, 132–140°E; Figure 1a" A rectangle in Figure 1a could help the visualisation.
We added the rectangle according to the comment.
Line 151-152: "which was consistent with the TA value of the Amur River ... and Japanese river water" Does this information partially answers my observation for line 147?
Although the original Line 147 sentence was rewritten, the interception would be the answer that riverine water is the primary cause of the SSS variation except for Kuroshio-Oyashio gradient (Line 167-169).
Line 153: "nTA was inversely proportional to SSS" This is an artfact of the calculation of normalisation.
We agree with the comment. We modified the text for clarity as “Because the intercept value was above zero, nTA seemed to be inversely proportional to SSS (R2 =0.57)”. (Line 169-172).
Lines 165-166: "and maximum nTA was observed in summer south of 37°N, whereas the maximum was in winter north of 37°N (data not shown)" Sentence not clear. What is the second maximum (winter) referred to?
This meant that the annual maximum was observed in summer and winter at the area of south and north 37N, respectively. We modified the text as “~and annual maximum of nTA was observed in summer and winter in the area south and north of 37°N, respectively (data not shown).” (Line 183-184).
Line 166: "thereby reaching its peak in summer on the Pacific side" Is there precipitation data to support this results or is it based on the literature/meteo data center? If so, please provide a reference.
It is based on the database of Japan Meteorological Agency. We added the information (Line 186).
Lines 197-198: "of all dAB tended to increase significantly" even SST (Figure 3e)?
Yes. We checked the p-value of the linear regression for all parameters including SST.
Line 198: "This indicates that the supply of landwater increased" One removes the influence of riverine input when applying the traditional equation to normalize TA. What does measured TA show?
We already discussed in the introduction that the traditional equation could not remove the influence of riverine water above TA zero. Rather, nTA is a quantitative tracer of the impact of riverine water, so the temporal change of riverine water effect can be assessed using nTA.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3792-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Tatsuki Tokoro, 18 Apr 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3792', Anonymous Referee #2, 27 Mar 2025
I have seen the comments by the other reviewer and mostly agree with them. They do make a comment about TA which I do not think is correct. Specifically their comment on lines 74-75 is incorrect. Changes in TA (and DIC) do indeed affect seawater pCO2 and therefore air-sea CO2 fluxes, as the authors state. Perhaps the confusion arises because the opposite is indeed not true (air-sea CO2 fluxes do not affect TA).
I am not very familiar with EOF analysis and I find that the explanation in the text is very brief and does not really help understand how to interpret the results. I think that a short paragraph with a conceptual explanation is needed, especially because this is not the usual way to determine these processes (where usually one would instead do direct calculations from the measured carbonate system parameters). The lack of this explanation makes it difficult for me to assess the authors’ attribution of the different processes to the various signals seen in the data. Of course it's not necessarily a negative that the usual methods have not been used here because there should be scope to try different ways, maybe this can deliver some different insight. But that is not clear in this version of the manuscript.
The point mentioned by the other reviewer about the first three EOF modes capturing less than 50% of the total variability seems to be a serious issue that does need to be resolved.
44-45 Precipitation and evaporation affect both salinity and total alkalinity and in a perfectly proportional way – so it’s not clear why these processes would cause problems here?
50 TA is not based on charge balance. Some of the terms do have coefficients that match their charges, but not all, and some uncharged species appear in the equation. Instead, TA is defined based on the capacity to accept or donate protons (H+). Please update accordingly.
53 Not clear why there is a “however” here.
64 “langwater” => “landwater”
112 Please refer to the map of areas A and B here.
118 Presumably Cflux is zero for TA?
140-143 As the authors note, fCO2 and Ω can be calculated directly from TA and DIC. Then the drivers of their changes can be exactly understood – there are many studies that do this both from a perspective of laying out the theory, explaining it conceptually so it can be understood intuitively, and applying it to real datasets.
141-142 It doesn’t make sense to me that a multivariate linear model would be useful because there are NON-linear relationships?
Figure 2 The distribution of areas A and B does not look very natural (coarse boundary with many right angles and straight sections). Is this really the best way to define the region of landwater influence? Also, looking at panels a-c, I cannot see why these regions were selected – they don’t seem to correspond to any features in a-c, although the text implies that a-c were used to choose the regions. It is mentioned (235) that area A is consistent with a low-salinity regime; might it make more sense to define the areas in terms of salinity, for example?
360-362 Specifying these distances to two decimal places seems unrealistic – to the nearest (ten) kilometre(s) would seem to make more sense.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3792-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Tatsuki Tokoro, 18 Apr 2025
I have seen the comments by the other reviewer and mostly agree with them. They do make a comment about TA which I do not think is correct. Specifically their comment on lines 74-75 is incorrect. Changes in TA (and DIC) do indeed affect seawater pCO2 and therefore air-sea CO2 fluxes, as the authors state. Perhaps the confusion arises because the opposite is indeed not true (air-sea CO2 fluxes do not affect TA).
We agree the definition of TA that TA is determined by the difference in concentration between the proton donor and acceptor is accurate. However, the detailed explanation of proton donor and other factors are not very relevant to the main contents and are lengthy, thus the description has been changed to refer to the cited reference (Zeebe and Wolf-Gladrow, 2001) (Lines 54).
As for TA and CO2 flux, we agree with you that it is a misunderstanding.I am not very familiar with EOF analysis and I find that the explanation in the text is very brief and does not really help understand how to interpret the results. I think that a short paragraph with a conceptual explanation is needed, especially because this is not the usual way to determine these processes (where usually one would instead do direct calculations from the measured carbonate system parameters). The lack of this explanation makes it difficult for me to assess the authors’ attribution of the different processes to the various signals seen in the data. Of course it's not necessarily a negative that the usual methods have not been used here because there should be scope to try different ways, maybe this can deliver some different insight. But that is not clear in this version of the manuscript.
The EOF analysis can quantify multiple dominant fluctuations from the overall fluctuation. The target area in this study is expected to be affected by multiple fluctuations such as seasonal changes of the Kuroshio and Oyashio flows, in addition to the effect of riverine water (note that all word “landwater” was replaced with “riverine water” according to the other reviewer’s comment). Therefore, it is easier to extract the influence of riverine water using the EOF analysis than using conventional methods with direct use of carbonate parameters. We added the description about the above explanation in the text (Line 113-117).
The point mentioned by the other reviewer about the first three EOF modes capturing less than 50% of the total variability seems to be a serious issue that does need to be resolved.
As shown in the responses to other reviewer below, most of the remaining 50% contributes to variation north of 37°N, which is outside the target in this study.
“This value of less than 50% is affected by variations north of 37°N. Because of the extreme complexity of the variability in the area, only about half of the variability could be explained by mode 1-3. However, this paper focuses on the variations south of that latitude. Only mode 1 was the dominant explanation for the nTA variation in the area because the EOF analysis results after mode 2 were for variations north of 37°N.”44-45 Precipitation and evaporation affect both salinity and total alkalinity and in a perfectly proportional way – so it’s not clear why these processes would cause problems here?
The problem is that the effect of riverine water, which is not in a proportional with salinity, cannot be quantified when only salinity or TA, when it is affected by precipitation and evaporation. You are correct that these parameters variations due to precipitation and evaporation are perfectly proportional, thus nTA can be used to remove the effects of precipitation and evaporation.
50 TA is not based on charge balance. Some of the terms do have coefficients that match their charges, but not all, and some uncharged species appear in the equation. Instead, TA is defined based on the capacity to accept or donate protons (H+). Please update accordingly.
As mentioned above, a strict definition of TA could be redundant, so we stated to refer to the citation in the text (Line 544).
53 Not clear why there is a “however” here.
We deleted the word according to the comment.
64 “langwater” => “landwater”
All word “landwater” was replaced by “riverine water” according to the comment of other reviewer’s comment.
112 Please refer to the map of areas A and B here.
The definitions of the labels for areas A and B are described here, and the actual extent of areas A and B has not yer been determined. Therefore, referring to the map would be confusing.
118 Presumably Cflux is zero for TA?
Yes, thus the term was applied only to DIC (Line 129-130).
140-143 As the authors note, fCO2 and Ω can be calculated directly from TA and DIC. Then the drivers of their changes can be exactly understood – there are many studies that do this both from a perspective of laying out the theory, explaining it conceptually so it can be understood intuitively, and applying it to real datasets.
We may not fully understand this comment, but we would like to argue here that even if fCO2 and Ω can be determined in a non-linear way, re-presenting the relationship in a linear way is more useful for intuitive understanding, for example by means of a graphical representation such as Figure 5.
141-142 It doesn’t make sense to me that a multivariate linear model would be useful because there are NON-linear relationships?
We do not agree with this comment. For example, when an explanatory variable like nTA is changed, it is easy to predict how much fCO2 and Ω will be affected in a multivariate linear model. In a nonlinear model such quantitative prediction by the change of the explanatory variables is difficult.
Figure 2 The distribution of areas A and B does not look very natural (coarse boundary with many right angles and straight sections). Is this really the best way to define the region of landwater influence? Also, looking at panels a-c, I cannot see why these regions were selected – they don’t seem to correspond to any features in a-c, although the text implies that a-c were used to choose the regions. It is mentioned (235) that area A is consistent with a low-salinity regime; might it make more sense to define the areas in terms of salinity, for example?
The distribution of areas A and B appears unnatural due to the spatial resolution of 1o×1o in this study. With this resolution, it is impossible to create a distribution that looks any more natural.
The panels a-c do not provide a direct definition of areas A and B. These panels indicate that the area south of 37o is the area to be analyzed in this study. Area A is defined as the area determined from the distance dependence of the temporal variation of Mode 1 south of 37o (panel d, e). Area B is determined from the definition in the text (Line 119).
It is pointed out in the introduction (Line 47-49) that the definition of area A using salinity would be erroneous due to the effect of precipitation and evaporation.360-362 Specifying these distances to two decimal places seems unrealistic – to the nearest (ten) kilometre(s) would seem to make more sense.
We agree with this comment. The distance values were replaced by rounded values to two digits (ten kilometers).
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3792-AC2
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