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The Temporal Phasing of Rapid Dansgaard–Oeschger Warming Events Cannot Be Reliably Determined
Abstract. Dansgaard–Oeschger (DO) warming events occurred throughout the last glacial period. Greenland ice cores show a rapid warming during each stadial to interstadial transition, alongside abrupt loss of sea ice and major reorganisation of the atmospheric circulation. Other records also indicate simultaneous abrupt changes to the oceanic circulation. Recently, an advanced Bayesian ramp fitting method has been developed and used to investigate time lags between transitions in these different climate elements, with a view to determining the relative order of these changes. Here, we subject this method to a critical review. Using ice core data, climate model output, and carefully synthesised data representing DO warming events, we demonstrate that the method suffers from noise-induced bias of up to 15 years. This bias means that the method will tend to yield transition onsets that are too early, and we find that the estimated timings of noisier transitions are more strongly biased. Further investigation of DO warming event records in climate models and ice core data reveals that the bias is on the same order of magnitude as potential timing differences between the abrupt transitions of different climate elements. Additionally, we find that higher-resolution records would not reduce this bias. We conclude that time lags of less than 20 years cannot be reliably detected, as we cannot exclude the possibility that they result solely from the bias. This prevents the unambiguous determination of the temporal phasing of DO warming events.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2496', Mathieu Casado, 21 Dec 2023
Please see the attachment for the detailed review
- AC2: 'Reply on RC1', John Slattery, 14 Mar 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2496', Sune O. Rasmussen, 10 Jan 2024
- AC3: 'Reply on RC2', John Slattery, 14 Mar 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2496', Anonymous Referee #3, 12 Feb 2024
- AC4: 'Reply on RC3', John Slattery, 14 Mar 2024
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EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2496', Emilie Capron, 13 Feb 2024
Dear Authors,
Your manuscript has now been seen by three reviewers. All evaluations were positive about the fact that your manuscript is interesting and fits well the scope of Climate of the Past. But they also identified major issues that need to be addressed before it can be considered for publication.
Please prepare a response to all of the reviewers' comments. I will likely be encouraging you to submit a revised version of your manuscript, so in your response to the reviewers' comments, please present the changes that you are proposing to make to the revised manuscript.
All the best, Emilie Capron (Handling editor)
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2496-EC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on EC1', John Slattery, 15 Feb 2024
Dear Emilie,
We thank the editors for their handling of our manuscript, and the referees for their insightful comments. We will take some time to consider these comments carefully, and to ensure that our replies detail the changes we plan to make in response.
Kind regards,
John Slattery
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2496-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on EC1', John Slattery, 15 Feb 2024
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2496', Mathieu Casado, 21 Dec 2023
Please see the attachment for the detailed review
- AC2: 'Reply on RC1', John Slattery, 14 Mar 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2496', Sune O. Rasmussen, 10 Jan 2024
- AC3: 'Reply on RC2', John Slattery, 14 Mar 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2496', Anonymous Referee #3, 12 Feb 2024
- AC4: 'Reply on RC3', John Slattery, 14 Mar 2024
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EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2496', Emilie Capron, 13 Feb 2024
Dear Authors,
Your manuscript has now been seen by three reviewers. All evaluations were positive about the fact that your manuscript is interesting and fits well the scope of Climate of the Past. But they also identified major issues that need to be addressed before it can be considered for publication.
Please prepare a response to all of the reviewers' comments. I will likely be encouraging you to submit a revised version of your manuscript, so in your response to the reviewers' comments, please present the changes that you are proposing to make to the revised manuscript.
All the best, Emilie Capron (Handling editor)
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2496-EC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on EC1', John Slattery, 15 Feb 2024
Dear Emilie,
We thank the editors for their handling of our manuscript, and the referees for their insightful comments. We will take some time to consider these comments carefully, and to ensure that our replies detail the changes we plan to make in response.
Kind regards,
John Slattery
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2496-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on EC1', John Slattery, 15 Feb 2024
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DO_Temporal_Phasing John Slattery https://github.com/johatt11/DO_Temporal_Phasing
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