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The Sampling Method for Optimal Precursors of ENSO Event
Abstract. El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) is one of the significant climate phenomena, which appears periodically in the tropic Pacific. The intermediate coupled ocean-atmosphere Zebiak-Cane (ZC) model is the first and classical one designed to numerically forecast the ENSO events. Traditionally, the conditional nonlinear optimal perturbation (CNOP) approach has been used to capture optimal precursors in practice. In this paper, based on state-of-the-art statistical machine learning techniques, we investigate the sampling algorithm proposed in (Shi and Sun, 2023) to obtain optimal precursors via the CNOP approach in the ZC model. For the ZC model, or more generally, the numerical models with a large number O(104 − 105) of degrees of freedom, the numerical performance, regardless of the statically spatial patterns and the dynamical nonlinear time evolution behaviors as well as the corresponding quantities and indices, shows the high efficiency of the sampling method by comparison with the traditional adjoint method. The sampling algorithm does not only reduce the gradient (first-order information) to the objective function value (zeroth-order information) but also avoids the use of the adjoint model, which is hard to develop in the coupled ocean-atmosphere models and the parameterization models. In addition, based on the key characteristic that the samples are independently and identically distributed, we can implement the sampling algorithm by parallel computation to shorten the computation time. Meanwhile, we also show in the numerical experiments that the important features of optimal precursors can be still captured even when the number of samples is reduced sharply.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2092', Anonymous Referee #1, 21 Oct 2023
In this paper, the authors applied a sampling-based optimization algorithm first developed by Shi and Sun (Shi, B. and Sun, G.: An adjoint-free algorithm for conditional nonlinear optimal perturbations (CNOPs) via sampling, Nonlinear Processes
in Geophysics, 30, 263–276, https://doi.org/10.5194/npg-30-263-2023, 2023) to ENSO studies. More specifically, the authors applied the algorithms to solve the optimal precursors for the Zebiak-Cane model. Numerical results are also provided in comparison with the traditional adjoint method.ÂThis is an interesting paper as it demonstrates the practical application of the algorithm proposed by one of the authors to real atmospheric dynamic models. On the whole, I found the exposition and goal of the paper to be clear. The numerical results seem to perform well and the paper is well-written. Therefore I endorse its publication. That said, certain parts of the paper needs minor revision.Â
Since it is purely application-based paper and parallel computation is not unique for Monte Carlo methods, I will leave the decisions to the associate editor whether the paper aligns with the scope of Nonlinear Processes in Geophysics.
Comments:
1. In equation (1), I found it more intuitive to keep the unit in the dinominantor if the goal is to nondimensionalize the variable.
2. Table 1: to make it more clear, the authors need to explicitly say that the values reported in table are the original objective values formulated in (4) instead of the sample average (5).
3. Table 2: more discussions are needed for the settings of the experiment. For example how many cores are used in parallel sampling? Is multithreading allowed for the adjoint method?Â
4. The original paper Shi and Sun 2023 applied the algorithm to some traditional dynamic system toy models such as viscous Burger's equation and Lorenz 96 model, and it only requires 5-15 samples for the method to perform well in these low-dimensional settings. It would be great if the authors could include some discussions about convergence results and how the number of samples scales with the dimensionality of the models.Typos:
line 37: "is" -> "was"
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CC1: 'Referee Comment on egusphere-2023-2092', Manuel Santos Gutiérrez, 24 Oct 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2092/egusphere-2023-2092-CC1-supplement.pdf
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2092', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Oct 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2092/egusphere-2023-2092-RC2-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2092', Bin Shi, 09 Nov 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2092/egusphere-2023-2092-AC1-supplement.pdf
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2092', Anonymous Referee #1, 21 Oct 2023
In this paper, the authors applied a sampling-based optimization algorithm first developed by Shi and Sun (Shi, B. and Sun, G.: An adjoint-free algorithm for conditional nonlinear optimal perturbations (CNOPs) via sampling, Nonlinear Processes
in Geophysics, 30, 263–276, https://doi.org/10.5194/npg-30-263-2023, 2023) to ENSO studies. More specifically, the authors applied the algorithms to solve the optimal precursors for the Zebiak-Cane model. Numerical results are also provided in comparison with the traditional adjoint method.ÂThis is an interesting paper as it demonstrates the practical application of the algorithm proposed by one of the authors to real atmospheric dynamic models. On the whole, I found the exposition and goal of the paper to be clear. The numerical results seem to perform well and the paper is well-written. Therefore I endorse its publication. That said, certain parts of the paper needs minor revision.Â
Since it is purely application-based paper and parallel computation is not unique for Monte Carlo methods, I will leave the decisions to the associate editor whether the paper aligns with the scope of Nonlinear Processes in Geophysics.
Comments:
1. In equation (1), I found it more intuitive to keep the unit in the dinominantor if the goal is to nondimensionalize the variable.
2. Table 1: to make it more clear, the authors need to explicitly say that the values reported in table are the original objective values formulated in (4) instead of the sample average (5).
3. Table 2: more discussions are needed for the settings of the experiment. For example how many cores are used in parallel sampling? Is multithreading allowed for the adjoint method?Â
4. The original paper Shi and Sun 2023 applied the algorithm to some traditional dynamic system toy models such as viscous Burger's equation and Lorenz 96 model, and it only requires 5-15 samples for the method to perform well in these low-dimensional settings. It would be great if the authors could include some discussions about convergence results and how the number of samples scales with the dimensionality of the models.Typos:
line 37: "is" -> "was"
line 67: "reivew" -> "review"
page 3 footnote: "constrained optimization"
line 94: "furthre researches" -> "further research"
line 252: "probably" -> "probable"Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2092-RC1 -
CC1: 'Referee Comment on egusphere-2023-2092', Manuel Santos Gutiérrez, 24 Oct 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2092/egusphere-2023-2092-CC1-supplement.pdf
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2092', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Oct 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2092/egusphere-2023-2092-RC2-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2092', Bin Shi, 09 Nov 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2092/egusphere-2023-2092-AC1-supplement.pdf
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