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Upper Ocean Response on the Passage of Tropical Cyclones in the Azores Region
- 1Instituto Dom Luiz (IDL), Faculdade de Ciências, Universidade de Lisboa, 1749-016, Lisboa, Portugal
- 2Instituto Português do Mar e da Atmosfera (IPMA), I.P., 1749-077, Rua C do Aeroporto, Lisboa, Portugal
- 3Departamento de Meteorologia, Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro 21941-919, Brasil
- 1Instituto Dom Luiz (IDL), Faculdade de Ciências, Universidade de Lisboa, 1749-016, Lisboa, Portugal
- 2Instituto Português do Mar e da Atmosfera (IPMA), I.P., 1749-077, Rua C do Aeroporto, Lisboa, Portugal
- 3Departamento de Meteorologia, Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro 21941-919, Brasil
Abstract. Tropical Cyclones (TCs) are extreme climate events that are known to strongly interact with the ocean through two mechanisms: dynamically through the associated intense wind stress, and thermodynamically through moist enthalpy exchanges at the ocean surface. These interactions contribute to relevant oceanic responses after the passage of a TC, namely the induction of a cold wake and the production of chlorophyll (chl-a) blooms. This study aimed to understand these interactions in the Azores region, an area with relatively low cyclonic activity for the North Atlantic basin, since the area experiences much less intense events than the rest of the basin. Results for the 1998–2020 period showed that the averaged induced anomalies were on the order of +0.026 mg/m3 for the chl-a and -1.554 K for SST. Furthermore, looking at the role played by several TCs characteristics we found that the intensity of the TCs was the most important condition for the development of upper ocean responses. Two other analysed conditions were the TC’s translation speeds and the impacted areas, which also showed to be positively affecting the registered induced anomalies. Two case studies (Ophelia, in 2017, and Nadine, in 2012) were conducted to better understand each upper ocean response. Ophelia showed to affect the SST at an earlier stage while the biggest chl-a induced anomalies were registered at a later stage, allowing the conclusion that thermodynamic exchanges conditioned the SST more while dynamical mixing played a more important role in the later stage. Nadine showed the importance of the TC track geometry, revealing that the TC track observed in each event can impact a specific region for longer, and therefore induce greater anomalies.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-31', Anonymous Referee #1, 06 Apr 2022
The authors examine the oceanic response to tropical cyclones (TCs) in the Azores region, where relatively small numbers of TCs have been observed so far. They found the clear response of chlorophyll (Chl-a) as well as sea surface temperature (SST), and showed the importance of the TC intensity. I think that the results are overall interesting. However, there are several points to be clarified. I would like the authors to respond to the specific issues listed below before the manuscript will be considered for publication.
Major comments
1. As mentioned in the introduction, one important dynamical process is the Ekman pumping that sometimes leaves significant cold wake behind TCs. Is this process not important in the area of focus? The authors seem not to refer to this aspect in the results. For example, the authors suggest that thermodynamic exchanges should be important for the impact of Hurricane Ophelia on SST at the initial phase (L263-265), but the Ekman pumping still remains to be examined, if I understand correctly.
2. L88-90. Does the interpolation of data affect the results? Because the ocean is usually covered by clouds in TCs, the results might be affected to some extent by the interpolation. Please show what percent of the area analyzed was covered by clouds and discuss the influence on the results.
3. L166-175. The method needs a bit more explanation. How does the algorithm detect the changes in SST and Chl-a? The brief summary may help understand the results. Do the authors use the same time windows for all TCs? The appropriate windows could change, depending on the properties of TCs such as the translation speed and size. Does the use of the same time windows affect the results? I expected that the decrease in SST is not always coincident with the increase in Chl-a, because their changes may depend on not only TCs but also the oceanic conditions. Can we reasonably assume that they occur at the same time? Another thing is that if we focus on the maximum anomalies during the periods after the passages, can we obtain almost the same results? I expect that the same time windows may blur the nature of the oceanic response.
4. Results. In this study, the difference in location seems to be not taken into consideration. Is it a reasonable assumption that the ocean responds to TCs in the similar way in this region?
5. L215-227. The properties of TCs change greatly while they move with time, and especially the translation speed may be quite different between the initial and mature phases, as seen from Figure 6. So each plot in Figure 5 indeed has a broad range. I wonder if the average of the translation speed makes sense when comparing to SST and Chl-a anomalies.
Other points
L71-72. What does it mean by “in relation to the rest of the north Atlantic basin”?
Methodology. The first two paragraphs are a bit redundant, because most information is already given in the introduction and data sections. Please briefly describe the points.
Figure 7, right panels. Color panels are easy to see, like in Figure 6.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
We would like to thank the reviewer for the constructive comments on our study, they were appreciated and will certainly improve the overall quality of this article. Some points of the manuscript have suffered major revisions to answer the criticisms/suggestions made by the reviewers, including:
- Some steps of the methodology have been revised to take into account the characteristics of each Tropical Cyclone (TC), thus, we have considered the climatological situation for each individual storm and compared it to the condition when the TC occurred. This change allowed us to individually study the responses for each TC more accurately while at the same time separating the SST and Chl-a response completely.
- The uncertainty surrounding the interpolated data was addressed in this revision. For this, we incorporated two types of analysis: 1) we showed the approximated errors associated with the analyzed data and for various time periods surrounding TCs; 2) we used the previously shown two study cases (Nadine and Ophelia) as evaluation cases for non-interpolated data. Overall, the interpolated datasets appear to provide consistent data that delivered good results, either not showing a large uncertainty (particularly for SST) and showing good relations to non-interpolated data (particularly for Chl-a).
- Finally, some small but important changes were made in the results section, with the addition of individual 6-hour observation analysis, which corroborated the analysis made in the original manuscript; and in the Nadine (2012) study case, which was not clear enough in the original version.
Overall, we are confident that these changes contributed to clarify some issues not sufficiently clear in the original manuscript. In this regard, the observations made by the reviewers were greatly appreciated and have certainly helped to improve the quality of the revised manuscript.
Answer to major comments:
- Ekman pumping is an important component of the surface mixing as shown in some of the literature we’ve presented in the manuscript (e.g., Prince, 1981). The Ekman pumping is often computed using satellite (wind and wind stress), however, it can be complicated to study this effect behind TCs using remote sensing data due to large gaps in daily data as a consequence of frequent cloud cover. To partially overcome this caveat, we have elected to produce an additional analysis included in the Ophelia study case that expands beyond our study region and explores the wind stress data provided by the NOAA CoastWatch dataset. This dataset is derived from wind measurements obtained from the Advanced Scatterometer (ASCAT) instrument onboard EUMETSAT’s MetOp satellites (A and B). ASCAT presents a near all-weather capacity (not affected by clouds), as it operates a frequency in C-band (5.255 GHz), therefore, minimizing the number of missing values in predominately clouded areas such as the case of tropical cyclone paths.
- We thank the reviewer for the very relevant point raised here. The CMEMS interpolated datasets used in this work aims to improve the low level of knowledge over those areas with strong cloud cover, however, it is expected that few data available should be affected by the interpolation. The data providers cannot guarantee absolute success in this process although with high reliability (Krasnopolsky et al., 2016 (doi:10.1155/2016/6156513); Maritorena et al., 2010 (doi:10.1016/j.rse.2010.04.002; Saulquin et al., 2019 (doi:10.1080/1755876X.2018.1552358)). CMEMS does not provide information of percent area that is covered by clouds in their data, but instead, they provide approximated information about errors (Chl-a) and uncertainty (SST) associated with the data (computed from the methods presented in Krasnopolsky et al. (2016) and Saulquin et al. (2019)). Therefore, in the revised manuscript we will incorporate this information (Figure R1) in the analysis and take it into account in the discussion of the results.
- We appreciate the reviewer’s comments on this matter and agree that the methodology requires further explanation and clarification. At first, the window considered was the same for all TCs, which in retrospect seems to be not the most adequate for this study. The nature of this methodology forced our algorithms to search before the storm for a mean situation and after the storm for a significant response and then produce a mean ideal window to study all considered TCs. Indeed, as it stands it is not flexible enough to accommodate for differences among these many different storms, with diverse translation speeds and sizes, as pointed out by the reviewer. We have considered to implement a major change in the methodology that is capable of better representing such differences between TCs. Thus, some steps in the methodology have changed to better account the individual characteristics of each TC. In particular, we have considered the climatological situation of that storm’s time period and compared it to the observed situation when the TC occurred in the region. This new approach allows the study of different time periods where SST and Chl-a responses differ, as well as different impacts depending on the TC’s characteristics.
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It is true that the difference in location was not taken into consideration, and we want to thank the reviewer for this important point. In fact, as discussed in the introduction, there is a noticeable meridional gradient of each variable in this region (warmer SSTs in the south and more biological activity in the north), this matter was further explored and will be taken into consideration in the revised manuscript. The novel methodology, as described in detail when answering the 3rd and 5th major comments, allows to take this latitudinal dependence into account. Thus, we have now analyzed the response in each observation respective to the latitude and longitude of each observation (see fig. R2). Results were only significant (at the 95% statistical level) for the Chl-a respective to the latitude. However, the relation is minimal (r = 0.135), and since the other responses were not significant, we decided not to include these results in the main manuscript, but to mention them since they are relevant.
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We agree with the reviewer that the properties of TCs change a great deal during their lifetimes such as seen in the Hurricane Ophelia study case. In this regard, we will have an additional change to the revised methodology, where it will be divided in full TC and individual 6-hour observations. These two approaches differ in the way they are processed since the full TC eliminates any superposition of pixels (such as seen in the Nadine study case) and allows us to analyze the area after the complete passage of the cyclone over the region; for the second, we will not have this possibility and the superposition needs to be accounted on the discussion, however, this allows the study of the responses based on the observations’ characteristics (intensity, translation speed, etc.). Concluding, this change will impact the results since the revised figures will include individual observation (see fig. R3).
Answer to other points:
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It is related to the much lower cyclonic activity observed in our study region in relation to that observed in the rest of the north Atlantic basin, in which it is inserted.
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We agree with the reviewer, and we will make an effort to reduce some of these sentences in the revised methodology.
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Not entirely sure we understood this point, it is however worth saying that figure 7 (in the original manuscript) has suffered some changes to help clarify our results, as per other reviewers’ suggestions (see fig. R4).
Figure labels (figures included as supplement):
Figure R1 (New Fig. S2) - Value of associated uncertainty for Chl-a (top row) and SST (bottom row) for three critical moments of this analysis (before, during, and after TCs) and a random sample from the dataset. Do note the larger scale of uncertainty for chl-a.
Figure R2 - Relation of Chl-a (top row) and SST (bottom row) induced anomalies with latitude (left) and longitude (right). The dashed line indicates non-significance at a 95% confidence level.
Figure R3 (New Fig. 5) - Same as previous fig. 5 (original manuscript) but taking into account individual 6-hour TC observations. An additional revision made was to incorporate the response with respect to the time in the season (c) & f)).
Figure R4 (New fig. 8) - Revised Nadine study case. Scatter plots (b) and (c) show the avg. induced response for each subregion (based on super-position of pixels) inside the affected area in (a).
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-31', Anonymous Referee #2, 06 Apr 2022
Tropical Cyclones are widely studied topic. The authors examine the upper ocean response, i.e., SST and chlorophyll (chl-a) response, to the passage of TC in the Azores Region. They find passage of TC helps to cool the surface ocean, and increase the ocean productivity. Furthermore, they investigate the TC’s intensity, moving speeds, impacted areas, on the ocean conditions. On the last part of the paper, the authors used two individual cases to evaluate their results.
I find the manuscript is well-organized and well-written. The finding even though is not exactly new, however, could help the understanding of TCs’ impact on the Azores Region. Therefore, I recommend a major revision.
I only have two major comments:
1.The study compared the condition of SST and chlorophyll (chl-a) before and after the passage of TCs. TC has its own life time which experiences increase and decrease of intensity, moving speed, impact area, and also has its own track. When you compare the passage of TC, do you use the data from all the impacted area, or just individually one grid box from the TC’s track? Or more specifically, in Fig. 2, does the area of ‘Cyclone passes over the area’ represent one grid box of data, or the entire impact area of a signal TC.
2.How is the impact area of ocean defined?
The above information will largely impact on the final results, should be clarified clearly.
Minor Comments:
Caption of Fig. 4, TC induced anomalies of (a) total chl-a and (b) SST.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
We would like to thank the reviewer for the constructive comments on our study, they were appreciated and will certainly improve the overall quality of this article. Some points of the manuscript have suffered major revisions to answer the criticisms/suggestions made by the reviewers, including:
- Some steps of the methodology have been revised to take into account the characteristics of each Tropical Cyclone (TC), thus, we have considered the climatological situation for each individual storm and compared it to the condition when the TC occurred. This change allowed us to individually study the responses for each TC more accurately while at the same time separating the SST and Chl-a response completely.
- The uncertainty surrounding the interpolated data was addressed in this revision. For this, we incorporated two types of analysis: 1) we showed the approximated errors associated with the analyzed data and for various time periods surrounding TCs; 2) we used the previously shown two study cases (Nadine and Ophelia) as evaluation cases for non-interpolated data. Overall, the interpolated datasets appear to provide consistent data that delivered good results, either not showing a large uncertainty (particularly for SST) and showing good relations to non-interpolated data (particularly for Chl-a).
- Finally, some small but important changes were made in the results section, with the addition of individual 6-hour observation analysis, which corroborated the analysis made in the original manuscript; and in the Nadine (2012) study case, which was not clear enough in the original version.
Overall, we are confident that these changes contributed to clarify some issues not sufficiently clear in the original manuscript. In this regard, the observations made by the reviewers were greatly appreciated and have certainly helped to improve the quality of the revised manuscript.
Answer to major comments:
- The areas studied before and after the cyclone passed over the area are the same and greatly reduced from the initial study region (red box in Fig. 1 of the original manuscript). More direct examples are the study cases seen in Figs. 6 and 7 (original manuscript), where the areas shown in subplots (a) represent the area of study for each of the cases inside the study region. This reduction cuts the heavy computational cost of analyzing the entire study region and all the TCs individual observations. For this, we used the provided approximated quadrant radius for the 34-kt isotach (the limit to be considered a tropical storm) and largely reduced the study area. This not only reduced the computational burden but also removed parts of the grid that did not have any influence from the TCs, thus improving the analysis we can provide.
- The impact area was chosen based mainly on two factors: the lack of studies regarding the ocean response to TCs; and the fact that the TCs that usually pass through this region are much less intense in comparison to what we can normally see in the rest of the North Atlantic basin. Additionally, this is a region where TCs still maintain some tropical characteristics (warm core, symmetry, etc.) but often start suffering transition to post-tropical storms (with loss of symmetry, increased baroclinicity, overall loss of intensity). We chose these limits based on the general location of this transition, not to consider many post-tropical observations (not too much extended to the north and east) and not many purely and intense tropical storms (not too much extended to the south and west). Finally, this region is well-studied oceanography wise, with some literature exploring the main characteristics of the Azores regions in terms of SST and Chl-a (Amorim et al., 2017 (doi: 10.3389/fmars.2017.00056); Caldeira & Reis, 2017 (doi: 10.3389/fmars.2017.00037)). The exact number for the limits of the region was purely a compromise between the aforementioned points and the available data for this study.
Answer to other points:
- We will clarify.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-31', Anonymous Referee #3, 14 Apr 2022
In this manuscript, the authors use satellite-derived data and historical Tropical Cyclone (TC) data to evaluate the typical ocean responses, in Sea Surface Temperature (SST) and Chlorophyll-a (Chl-a), to the passage of TCs in the Azores region, which is located north of the main TC area in the North Atlantic. They find that the mean ocean responses are a decrease of 1.554 °C in SST, and an increase of 0.026 mg/m3 in Chl-a. They also find that the intensity of the ocean response is strongly related to the TC wind intensity and, to a lesser extent, the TC-covered area, with little relation to the translation speed. Finally, the authors analyze in more details the cases of 2 TCs, Hurricanes Ophelia (2017) and Nadine (2012): during Hurricane Ophelia the decrease in SST happened early in the TC history, while the increase in Chl-a happened toward the end, suggesting decorrelated processes, while during Hurricane Nadine the shape of the TC track and its translational speed impacted the ocean response.
The manuscript is concise and generally well written. It is a nice contribution to the state of knowledge related to TCs in the Northeastern Atlantic, in a region that has so far received little attention with respect to TCs, whereas it is expected to be more exposed in the future, as strong TCs are expected to venture further northward under the current climate change. However, I find that the approach using interpolated satellite-derived data, which are presented as providing an advantage, raises serious questions. In addition, I find the presentation of the methodology to estimate anomalies confusing. Finally, I find that the analysis of Hurricane Nadine is not very convincing. As a result, I recommend publication, with Major Revision, in order for the authors to modify their approach or to better justify for it, to improve the description of the methodology, and to reconsider or improve the analysis of Hurricane Nadine. Please see the detailed comments and suggestions below.
Detailed comments
First, the authors present their use of interpolated, gap-free data as “particularly relevant in the context of this study” (l. 88), to which I strongly disagree. The presence of clouds during TCs masks the area and period of the most intense air-sea interactions, when the winds are the most intense. Interpolating from observations taken when and where there is no cloud, i.e. when and where the TC is absent, does not allow estimating the ocean state under the TC. Interpolation simply does not give access to missing observations. I suggest the authors to perform the same analysis with original, non-interpolated data. Their results should be similar, without anyone questioning the impact or role of the interpolation on their results.
Second, I find the presentation of the anomaly estimates confusing (l. 145 to 175 and Figures 2 and 3). The authors first mention that they “analysed daily anomalies registered between 30-days before and 30-days after the passage of a TC” (l. 149-150). With respect to what are these anomalies estimated? These anomalies are then apparently used to estimate the periods to consider before and after the TC to estimate anomalies (l. 150-155 and Figure 2). Figure 3 seems to present anomalies that are used to identify periods from which anomalies are going to be estimated. Overall, it seems that there are 2 types of anomalies, but this is not clear. This whole section of the manuscript needs to be clarified.
Finally, I find that the analysis of the Hurricane Nadine case (2012) is not very convincing. Figure 7 shows very small differences in the mean SST and Chl-a anomalies estimated from the various levels of overlap. Are these differences significant? It seems very hard to conclude anything based on Figure 7. I suggest the authors to perform a more thorough analysis of that hurricane, or of another TC, in order to bring more convincing results to their study.
Suggestions
- l. 11, I suggest: “during and after the passage of a TC”, not only after.
- l. 22, “while dynamical mixing played a more important role in the later stage”: that analysis is not found in the main manuscript.
- l. 33-35, I suggest: “In his seminal study, Price (1981) shows, through both observed and numerical modelling data, the evolution of sea surface temperature (SST) etc.” The grammatical structure used by the authors is not correct, or not idiomatic, in English.
- l. 39-40, I suggest: “Additionally, several model-based works focused on either the effects caused by the TCs, or the interaction of the TC with its own cold wake (e.g., Chen et al., 2017; Zhang et al., 2019).”
- l. 41-42, I suggest: “Due to the upwelling of colder water, transport of nutrient-rich water from the sub-superficial layer may also occur (Kawai & Wada, 2011).”
- l. 52-54: In the Bay of Bengal, surface salinity associated with river discharge is thought to play an important role.
- l. 86-90 and l. 93: Please see my detailed comment about interpolated data.
- l. 100, I suggest: “up to 2020”, since the most recent full hurricane season is now 2021.
- l. 111: full tracks.
- l. 112: “the right panel showing a zoomed view…”
- l. 124: The authors can refer to Figure 1 here.
- l. 126-128: This repeats the end of the previous paragraph.
- l. 128-129: “with fewer and less intense tropical storms…”
- l. 138: “…isotach, tropical depressions were not considered (the exact partition of intensities is given etc.)”
- l. 139: “The correction for some missing…”
- l. 140: Figures 6 and 7 are mentioned before Figure 2. I suggest not to mention them here, but to mention the name of the corresponding section instead.
- l. 143: “considered area uses histograms, in which…”
- l. 149: Anomalies with respect to what? Please see my detailed comment about the anomaly estimates.
- l. 158: “Schematic”, not resumed schematic.
- l. 159: “The colour coding is as follows:…”
- l. 161: “Individual daily anomalies”, not induced.
- l. 163: Figure 7 is mentioned before Figure 3. I suggest not mentioning the figure.
- l. 168: Same as previously mentioned: with respect to what are the anomalies shown on Figure 3 estimated?
- l. 171, I suggest: “period where the effects on the oceanic variables are clearly visible.”
- l. 173: “too short”, instead of too small.
- l. 174, “both cases”: Are the authors referring to both variables?
- l. 174-175, “those extra periods varied both in number and location”: It is not clear what the authors are referring to here.
- l. 177: Same as previously mentioned: with respect to what are the anomalies estimated?
- l. 184, I suggest “both variables present a large impact…”
- l. 192, I suggest “weak” instead of “weaker”. Otherwise, the authors have to specify weaker than what.
- l. 199: “Fig. 4d shows”, not “Fig. 4d, shows”.
- l. 203: later, not latter.
- l. 204-205, “Powerful TCs induced a more varied distribution of anomalies”: what exactly do the authors mean?
- l. 205-207, “Do note that these different distributions do not represent the same geographical areas, since they are analysing different observations associated with the location of each TC as it moves along its storm-track”: Why are the authors mentioning this here? How should that affect the analysis of the histograms?
- l. 232, I suggest “with a dashed line representing a regression non-significant at the 95 % confidence level, and a solid line representing a regression significant at the 95 % confidence level.”
- l. 235: “amount of sampling data within the region”.
- l. 235: “Red squares”.
- l. 238, I suggest “study region” instead of “sector”.
- l. 251, I suggest “in total (grey)”.
- l. 253: “maturing (Fig. 6a, squares), and mature hurricane (Fig. 6a, stars).”
- l. 254: “, and the last one, 7”.
- l. 257: “therefore, the sum of all three phases will result in the bigger histogram.”
- l. 262-263, “with the last phase weighing the most in the general distribution (as was seen for the chl-a)”: Isn’t this due to the number of observations, related to the size of the storm? How does that affect the results or analysis? I am not sure this information is very relevant.
- l. 263, I suggest: “The highest SST impact…”
- l. 263-265: That sentence is relevant to SST only. The authors could check how robust their analysis is, maybe by looking at the SST values along the track and how they support or not strong TC air-sea interactions. Also, the authors do not analyze the Chl-a signal, which is different from the SST one. A brief analysis is included in the abstract, it should appear here in detail.
- l. 269: The caption is in contradiction with the text. In soft grey it should be all data, not “no overlap”, based on the text (l. 272-273) and on the map on Figure 7. Based on the text, in dark grey should be 3 overlaps or more, and in black 5 overlaps or more.
- l. 274-277: As mentioned in my detailed comments, the differences seem small. Are they significant?
- l. 277-278: That sentence is not very clear. How was the TC intensity deemed irrelevant?
- l. 278-281: As mentioned in my detailed comments, the results derived from Figure 7 are not very convincing, which makes it hard to support the hypothesis mentioned here.
- l. 284-286: As mentioned in my detailed comments, the use of interpolated data raises some serious questions. I suggest revisiting the analysis using non interpolated data.
- l. 287-288, I suggest: “the existence of a bio-physical response after the passage of a TC was identified from the analysis of chl-a and SST datasets, which etc.”
- l. 288: I suggest removing the parentheses for Chl-a and SST.
- l. 289: I suggest removing “considerably”, it seems a bit exaggerated.
- l. 291: “anomalies in the order of 0.026 mg/m3 in chl-a…”
- l. 293: “… oceanic responses, which agree with…”
- l. 294-296: There is a contradiction in that sentence, with a relationship that was first confirmed and then not confirmed. I suggest rephrasing into something like: “In agreement with previous studies (refs), the TC translation speed was also found to be associated with anomalies in both variables, although the relationship was not significant at the 95 % statistical confidence level in our study.”
- l. 299-300: Can these various effects and their induced anomalies be documented with the database assembled by the authors?
- l. 309: I disagree with “It is evident through this analysis”, see my previous comments.
- l. 312-313: I disagree with that sentence. The TC-induced changes should be identified on non-interpolated data. The most relevant quality control of the interpolated data would be an evaluation using independant data collected under the TCs, which is of course challenging.
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
We would like to thank the reviewer for the constructive comments on our study, they were appreciated and will certainly improve the overall quality of this article. Some points of the manuscript have suffered major revisions to answer the criticisms/suggestions made by the reviewers, including:
- Some steps of the methodology have been revised to take into account the characteristics of each Tropical Cyclone (TC), thus, we have considered the climatological situation for each individual storm and compared it to the condition when the TC occurred. This change allowed us to individually study the responses for each TC more accurately while at the same time separating the SST and Chl-a response completely.
- The uncertainty surrounding the interpolated data was addressed in this revision. For this, we incorporated two types of analysis: 1) we showed the approximated errors associated with the analyzed data and for various time periods surrounding TCs; 2) we used the previously shown two study cases (Nadine and Ophelia) as evaluation cases for non-interpolated data. Overall, the interpolated datasets appear to provide consistent data that delivered good results, either not showing a large uncertainty (particularly for SST) and showing good relations to non-interpolated data (particularly for Chl-a).
- Finally, some small but important changes were made in the results section, with the addition of individual 6-hour observation analysis, which corroborated the analysis made in the original manuscript; and in the Nadine (2012) study case, which was not clear enough in the original version.
Overall, we are confident that these changes contributed to clarify some issues not sufficiently clear in the original manuscript. In this regard, the observations made by the reviewers were greatly appreciated and have certainly helped to improve the quality of the revised manuscript.
Answer to major comments:
- We acknowledge some of the caveats by using this interpolated dataset and the necessity to address this more carefully. The data we used was a blended product that, even though originating from several microwave sensors, will still have a large amount of error in relation to clear skies observations. Although we did not take this into account in the original version of the manuscript, we are to incorporating a performance assessment of this data in the revised version in two ways: 1) we intend to show that the approximated error associated with the data provided by CMEMS, as they do not provide any other measure of cloud cover or missing data, and, this approach aims to evaluate the overall quality of the analyzed data in respect to the equivalent non-TC area errors (see fig. R1); 2) we will use both case studies as evaluation cases for un-blended (i.e., non-interpolated) data and compare them to the original blended SST and Chl-a data from CMEMS (see fig. R2). Ideally, the second approach should be applied to all TCs, however, satellite products usually do not have such a long available time period without gaps (either due to cloud coverage, satellite blind spots, or satellite down-time), making a general study complex and requiring several different datasets to cover the entire region for over 20 years. Therefore, the datasets presented in the original manuscript were particularly relevant in this broad context. Nonetheless, we are confident that the addition of results based on the non-interpolated data will only benefit the original analysis.
- We agree with the reviewers’ observations that there is a need to clarify how these anomalies are computed. There are indeed two types of anomalies that aim to account for two very different situations: 1) The first type is presented in the methodology section and corresponds to “classic anomalies” obtained when daily absolute values (of both SST and Chl-a) are compared to the corresponding daily climatological values for the region (Fig. 3, original manuscript); these were used to eliminate the seasonal trend in our data. 2) The second type of anomalies, shown in the results section, corresponds to “anomalies induced by the TCs”, originating from the difference between the mean situation before the TC and the situation after (Fig. 2, original manuscript), only based on absolute values prior and after the passage of each TC, i.e., without using the climatological reference. Upon this and other reviewers’ suggestions, the revised version of the manuscript has suffered a significant improvement on several methodological steps, including the time considered before and after the passage of TCs. In the revised approach we are only using the observed values to compute everything that is needed (search and results), i.e., no “classical anomalies” are considered. This new approach considers the climatological situation of that storm’s time period and compares it to the observed situation when the TC occurred in the region, in the form of excess standard deviation and then evaluates the maximum differences before and after the storm. A practical example for Hurricane Nadine is shown for Chl-a (Figure R3).
- We agree with the reviewer that the study case of Hurricane Nadine was not entirely convincing. We tried using essentially the same approach to the analysis of both case studies and presenting them as such, in retrospect this proved not to be so successful for the Nadine study case and the revised manuscript does have these observations into account (see Figure R4).
Answer to suggestions:
- Changed accordingly.
- Since thermodynamic exchanges played a major role in the beginning of the storm, we presumed that dynamic mixing should affect more the later stages. However, without clear data to support the statement we are downgrading it in the revised manuscript.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly (original suggestion is in l. 41-42).
- Yes, and this is brought in Chacko (2019), we did not include this fact to keep the paragraph concise, although the revised manuscript will include this and a better link between this paragraph and our own study region.
- Answered in detail before (please see answer to major comment 1).
- Changed accordingly. At the time of writing the 2021 data was not yet available.
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- Agree. We aim to reduce the first two paragraphs of the methodology section, also following similar suggestions of other reviewers.
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- In this instance we were referring to classical anomalies, computed from climatological values. Full answer in major comment 2.
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- In this case, it would be the newly computed induced anomalies, as they were a result of the subtraction of the daily values with the average mean before the storm. Nonetheless, this section will be changed significantly in the revised manuscript namely to accommodate the novel methodology described above when answering the major questions raised by the reviewer.
- Changed accordingly. Figure not mentioned here.
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- Yes.
- The extra periods were relative to other time periods identified by the algorithm, and were different for SST and Chl-a, while the main ones coincided in time.
- Estimated with the climatological values. However, in the revised manuscript these anomalies will be disregarded.
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- We meant that the range of induced anomalies was larger. However, we realized afterwards that this statement is not correct and, therefore, will be rectified in the revised version based on new results.
- It does not affect the analysis of the histogram in any way. It is just a justification for the blue and orange histograms inside each subplot (that are analyzing the same number of cyclones) not presenting the same area under the curve.
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- We agree, as this information is in retrospect, redundant, it will be removed.
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- We agree with the reviewer and this issue will be one of the major points addressed in the revision in the manuscript.
- Indeed, we thank the reviewer for the correction.
- We did not test for significance in either of the study cases. However, this section of the manuscript has suffered a major revision and these questions will be taken into consideration for clarity.
- We did not consider Nadine’s intensity to be so relevant for this study case since the TC was not very intense and did not change too much during its lifetime in the study region. As mentioned in the previous point, this section is revised, and these points have been taken into consideration for clarity.
- We agree, and one of our aims for the revision is to make these results clearer.
- We agree with the observation (Please see answer to Major comment 1).
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- The two first effects were verified in our database, and the third we did not look into since post-tropical transition might occur immediately outside the study region or the best-track data does not include the observations after the tropical nature of the cyclone ceases. Nonetheless, these remarks (l. 297-300) pertained to the bibliography and not to our results.
- Agree.
- We agree, we detailed our new approach to this problem in the detailed comments.
Figure labels (figures included as supplement):
Figure R1 (New fig. S2) - Value of associated uncertainty for Chl-a (top row) and SST (bottom row) for three critical moments of this analysis (before, during, and after TCs) and a random sample from the dataset. Do note the larger scale of uncertainty for chl-a.
Figure R2 (New fig. 6) - Histograms for the situation before (black) and after (grey) for each of the study cases. Top row shows the CMEMS interpolated data and the bottom row the correspondent non-interpolated data.
Figure R3 (Supplement only, not included in the main manuscript) - Daily excess standard deviation over the climatological value of Chl-a for the area affected by Hurricane Nadine (2012).
Figure R4 (New fig. 8) - Revised Nadine study case. Scatter plots (b) and (c) show the avg. induced response for each subregion (based on super-position of pixels) inside the affected area in (a).
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-31', Anonymous Referee #1, 06 Apr 2022
The authors examine the oceanic response to tropical cyclones (TCs) in the Azores region, where relatively small numbers of TCs have been observed so far. They found the clear response of chlorophyll (Chl-a) as well as sea surface temperature (SST), and showed the importance of the TC intensity. I think that the results are overall interesting. However, there are several points to be clarified. I would like the authors to respond to the specific issues listed below before the manuscript will be considered for publication.
Major comments
1. As mentioned in the introduction, one important dynamical process is the Ekman pumping that sometimes leaves significant cold wake behind TCs. Is this process not important in the area of focus? The authors seem not to refer to this aspect in the results. For example, the authors suggest that thermodynamic exchanges should be important for the impact of Hurricane Ophelia on SST at the initial phase (L263-265), but the Ekman pumping still remains to be examined, if I understand correctly.
2. L88-90. Does the interpolation of data affect the results? Because the ocean is usually covered by clouds in TCs, the results might be affected to some extent by the interpolation. Please show what percent of the area analyzed was covered by clouds and discuss the influence on the results.
3. L166-175. The method needs a bit more explanation. How does the algorithm detect the changes in SST and Chl-a? The brief summary may help understand the results. Do the authors use the same time windows for all TCs? The appropriate windows could change, depending on the properties of TCs such as the translation speed and size. Does the use of the same time windows affect the results? I expected that the decrease in SST is not always coincident with the increase in Chl-a, because their changes may depend on not only TCs but also the oceanic conditions. Can we reasonably assume that they occur at the same time? Another thing is that if we focus on the maximum anomalies during the periods after the passages, can we obtain almost the same results? I expect that the same time windows may blur the nature of the oceanic response.
4. Results. In this study, the difference in location seems to be not taken into consideration. Is it a reasonable assumption that the ocean responds to TCs in the similar way in this region?
5. L215-227. The properties of TCs change greatly while they move with time, and especially the translation speed may be quite different between the initial and mature phases, as seen from Figure 6. So each plot in Figure 5 indeed has a broad range. I wonder if the average of the translation speed makes sense when comparing to SST and Chl-a anomalies.
Other points
L71-72. What does it mean by “in relation to the rest of the north Atlantic basin”?
Methodology. The first two paragraphs are a bit redundant, because most information is already given in the introduction and data sections. Please briefly describe the points.
Figure 7, right panels. Color panels are easy to see, like in Figure 6.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
We would like to thank the reviewer for the constructive comments on our study, they were appreciated and will certainly improve the overall quality of this article. Some points of the manuscript have suffered major revisions to answer the criticisms/suggestions made by the reviewers, including:
- Some steps of the methodology have been revised to take into account the characteristics of each Tropical Cyclone (TC), thus, we have considered the climatological situation for each individual storm and compared it to the condition when the TC occurred. This change allowed us to individually study the responses for each TC more accurately while at the same time separating the SST and Chl-a response completely.
- The uncertainty surrounding the interpolated data was addressed in this revision. For this, we incorporated two types of analysis: 1) we showed the approximated errors associated with the analyzed data and for various time periods surrounding TCs; 2) we used the previously shown two study cases (Nadine and Ophelia) as evaluation cases for non-interpolated data. Overall, the interpolated datasets appear to provide consistent data that delivered good results, either not showing a large uncertainty (particularly for SST) and showing good relations to non-interpolated data (particularly for Chl-a).
- Finally, some small but important changes were made in the results section, with the addition of individual 6-hour observation analysis, which corroborated the analysis made in the original manuscript; and in the Nadine (2012) study case, which was not clear enough in the original version.
Overall, we are confident that these changes contributed to clarify some issues not sufficiently clear in the original manuscript. In this regard, the observations made by the reviewers were greatly appreciated and have certainly helped to improve the quality of the revised manuscript.
Answer to major comments:
- Ekman pumping is an important component of the surface mixing as shown in some of the literature we’ve presented in the manuscript (e.g., Prince, 1981). The Ekman pumping is often computed using satellite (wind and wind stress), however, it can be complicated to study this effect behind TCs using remote sensing data due to large gaps in daily data as a consequence of frequent cloud cover. To partially overcome this caveat, we have elected to produce an additional analysis included in the Ophelia study case that expands beyond our study region and explores the wind stress data provided by the NOAA CoastWatch dataset. This dataset is derived from wind measurements obtained from the Advanced Scatterometer (ASCAT) instrument onboard EUMETSAT’s MetOp satellites (A and B). ASCAT presents a near all-weather capacity (not affected by clouds), as it operates a frequency in C-band (5.255 GHz), therefore, minimizing the number of missing values in predominately clouded areas such as the case of tropical cyclone paths.
- We thank the reviewer for the very relevant point raised here. The CMEMS interpolated datasets used in this work aims to improve the low level of knowledge over those areas with strong cloud cover, however, it is expected that few data available should be affected by the interpolation. The data providers cannot guarantee absolute success in this process although with high reliability (Krasnopolsky et al., 2016 (doi:10.1155/2016/6156513); Maritorena et al., 2010 (doi:10.1016/j.rse.2010.04.002; Saulquin et al., 2019 (doi:10.1080/1755876X.2018.1552358)). CMEMS does not provide information of percent area that is covered by clouds in their data, but instead, they provide approximated information about errors (Chl-a) and uncertainty (SST) associated with the data (computed from the methods presented in Krasnopolsky et al. (2016) and Saulquin et al. (2019)). Therefore, in the revised manuscript we will incorporate this information (Figure R1) in the analysis and take it into account in the discussion of the results.
- We appreciate the reviewer’s comments on this matter and agree that the methodology requires further explanation and clarification. At first, the window considered was the same for all TCs, which in retrospect seems to be not the most adequate for this study. The nature of this methodology forced our algorithms to search before the storm for a mean situation and after the storm for a significant response and then produce a mean ideal window to study all considered TCs. Indeed, as it stands it is not flexible enough to accommodate for differences among these many different storms, with diverse translation speeds and sizes, as pointed out by the reviewer. We have considered to implement a major change in the methodology that is capable of better representing such differences between TCs. Thus, some steps in the methodology have changed to better account the individual characteristics of each TC. In particular, we have considered the climatological situation of that storm’s time period and compared it to the observed situation when the TC occurred in the region. This new approach allows the study of different time periods where SST and Chl-a responses differ, as well as different impacts depending on the TC’s characteristics.
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It is true that the difference in location was not taken into consideration, and we want to thank the reviewer for this important point. In fact, as discussed in the introduction, there is a noticeable meridional gradient of each variable in this region (warmer SSTs in the south and more biological activity in the north), this matter was further explored and will be taken into consideration in the revised manuscript. The novel methodology, as described in detail when answering the 3rd and 5th major comments, allows to take this latitudinal dependence into account. Thus, we have now analyzed the response in each observation respective to the latitude and longitude of each observation (see fig. R2). Results were only significant (at the 95% statistical level) for the Chl-a respective to the latitude. However, the relation is minimal (r = 0.135), and since the other responses were not significant, we decided not to include these results in the main manuscript, but to mention them since they are relevant.
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We agree with the reviewer that the properties of TCs change a great deal during their lifetimes such as seen in the Hurricane Ophelia study case. In this regard, we will have an additional change to the revised methodology, where it will be divided in full TC and individual 6-hour observations. These two approaches differ in the way they are processed since the full TC eliminates any superposition of pixels (such as seen in the Nadine study case) and allows us to analyze the area after the complete passage of the cyclone over the region; for the second, we will not have this possibility and the superposition needs to be accounted on the discussion, however, this allows the study of the responses based on the observations’ characteristics (intensity, translation speed, etc.). Concluding, this change will impact the results since the revised figures will include individual observation (see fig. R3).
Answer to other points:
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It is related to the much lower cyclonic activity observed in our study region in relation to that observed in the rest of the north Atlantic basin, in which it is inserted.
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We agree with the reviewer, and we will make an effort to reduce some of these sentences in the revised methodology.
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Not entirely sure we understood this point, it is however worth saying that figure 7 (in the original manuscript) has suffered some changes to help clarify our results, as per other reviewers’ suggestions (see fig. R4).
Figure labels (figures included as supplement):
Figure R1 (New Fig. S2) - Value of associated uncertainty for Chl-a (top row) and SST (bottom row) for three critical moments of this analysis (before, during, and after TCs) and a random sample from the dataset. Do note the larger scale of uncertainty for chl-a.
Figure R2 - Relation of Chl-a (top row) and SST (bottom row) induced anomalies with latitude (left) and longitude (right). The dashed line indicates non-significance at a 95% confidence level.
Figure R3 (New Fig. 5) - Same as previous fig. 5 (original manuscript) but taking into account individual 6-hour TC observations. An additional revision made was to incorporate the response with respect to the time in the season (c) & f)).
Figure R4 (New fig. 8) - Revised Nadine study case. Scatter plots (b) and (c) show the avg. induced response for each subregion (based on super-position of pixels) inside the affected area in (a).
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-31', Anonymous Referee #2, 06 Apr 2022
Tropical Cyclones are widely studied topic. The authors examine the upper ocean response, i.e., SST and chlorophyll (chl-a) response, to the passage of TC in the Azores Region. They find passage of TC helps to cool the surface ocean, and increase the ocean productivity. Furthermore, they investigate the TC’s intensity, moving speeds, impacted areas, on the ocean conditions. On the last part of the paper, the authors used two individual cases to evaluate their results.
I find the manuscript is well-organized and well-written. The finding even though is not exactly new, however, could help the understanding of TCs’ impact on the Azores Region. Therefore, I recommend a major revision.
I only have two major comments:
1.The study compared the condition of SST and chlorophyll (chl-a) before and after the passage of TCs. TC has its own life time which experiences increase and decrease of intensity, moving speed, impact area, and also has its own track. When you compare the passage of TC, do you use the data from all the impacted area, or just individually one grid box from the TC’s track? Or more specifically, in Fig. 2, does the area of ‘Cyclone passes over the area’ represent one grid box of data, or the entire impact area of a signal TC.
2.How is the impact area of ocean defined?
The above information will largely impact on the final results, should be clarified clearly.
Minor Comments:
Caption of Fig. 4, TC induced anomalies of (a) total chl-a and (b) SST.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
We would like to thank the reviewer for the constructive comments on our study, they were appreciated and will certainly improve the overall quality of this article. Some points of the manuscript have suffered major revisions to answer the criticisms/suggestions made by the reviewers, including:
- Some steps of the methodology have been revised to take into account the characteristics of each Tropical Cyclone (TC), thus, we have considered the climatological situation for each individual storm and compared it to the condition when the TC occurred. This change allowed us to individually study the responses for each TC more accurately while at the same time separating the SST and Chl-a response completely.
- The uncertainty surrounding the interpolated data was addressed in this revision. For this, we incorporated two types of analysis: 1) we showed the approximated errors associated with the analyzed data and for various time periods surrounding TCs; 2) we used the previously shown two study cases (Nadine and Ophelia) as evaluation cases for non-interpolated data. Overall, the interpolated datasets appear to provide consistent data that delivered good results, either not showing a large uncertainty (particularly for SST) and showing good relations to non-interpolated data (particularly for Chl-a).
- Finally, some small but important changes were made in the results section, with the addition of individual 6-hour observation analysis, which corroborated the analysis made in the original manuscript; and in the Nadine (2012) study case, which was not clear enough in the original version.
Overall, we are confident that these changes contributed to clarify some issues not sufficiently clear in the original manuscript. In this regard, the observations made by the reviewers were greatly appreciated and have certainly helped to improve the quality of the revised manuscript.
Answer to major comments:
- The areas studied before and after the cyclone passed over the area are the same and greatly reduced from the initial study region (red box in Fig. 1 of the original manuscript). More direct examples are the study cases seen in Figs. 6 and 7 (original manuscript), where the areas shown in subplots (a) represent the area of study for each of the cases inside the study region. This reduction cuts the heavy computational cost of analyzing the entire study region and all the TCs individual observations. For this, we used the provided approximated quadrant radius for the 34-kt isotach (the limit to be considered a tropical storm) and largely reduced the study area. This not only reduced the computational burden but also removed parts of the grid that did not have any influence from the TCs, thus improving the analysis we can provide.
- The impact area was chosen based mainly on two factors: the lack of studies regarding the ocean response to TCs; and the fact that the TCs that usually pass through this region are much less intense in comparison to what we can normally see in the rest of the North Atlantic basin. Additionally, this is a region where TCs still maintain some tropical characteristics (warm core, symmetry, etc.) but often start suffering transition to post-tropical storms (with loss of symmetry, increased baroclinicity, overall loss of intensity). We chose these limits based on the general location of this transition, not to consider many post-tropical observations (not too much extended to the north and east) and not many purely and intense tropical storms (not too much extended to the south and west). Finally, this region is well-studied oceanography wise, with some literature exploring the main characteristics of the Azores regions in terms of SST and Chl-a (Amorim et al., 2017 (doi: 10.3389/fmars.2017.00056); Caldeira & Reis, 2017 (doi: 10.3389/fmars.2017.00037)). The exact number for the limits of the region was purely a compromise between the aforementioned points and the available data for this study.
Answer to other points:
- We will clarify.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-31', Anonymous Referee #3, 14 Apr 2022
In this manuscript, the authors use satellite-derived data and historical Tropical Cyclone (TC) data to evaluate the typical ocean responses, in Sea Surface Temperature (SST) and Chlorophyll-a (Chl-a), to the passage of TCs in the Azores region, which is located north of the main TC area in the North Atlantic. They find that the mean ocean responses are a decrease of 1.554 °C in SST, and an increase of 0.026 mg/m3 in Chl-a. They also find that the intensity of the ocean response is strongly related to the TC wind intensity and, to a lesser extent, the TC-covered area, with little relation to the translation speed. Finally, the authors analyze in more details the cases of 2 TCs, Hurricanes Ophelia (2017) and Nadine (2012): during Hurricane Ophelia the decrease in SST happened early in the TC history, while the increase in Chl-a happened toward the end, suggesting decorrelated processes, while during Hurricane Nadine the shape of the TC track and its translational speed impacted the ocean response.
The manuscript is concise and generally well written. It is a nice contribution to the state of knowledge related to TCs in the Northeastern Atlantic, in a region that has so far received little attention with respect to TCs, whereas it is expected to be more exposed in the future, as strong TCs are expected to venture further northward under the current climate change. However, I find that the approach using interpolated satellite-derived data, which are presented as providing an advantage, raises serious questions. In addition, I find the presentation of the methodology to estimate anomalies confusing. Finally, I find that the analysis of Hurricane Nadine is not very convincing. As a result, I recommend publication, with Major Revision, in order for the authors to modify their approach or to better justify for it, to improve the description of the methodology, and to reconsider or improve the analysis of Hurricane Nadine. Please see the detailed comments and suggestions below.
Detailed comments
First, the authors present their use of interpolated, gap-free data as “particularly relevant in the context of this study” (l. 88), to which I strongly disagree. The presence of clouds during TCs masks the area and period of the most intense air-sea interactions, when the winds are the most intense. Interpolating from observations taken when and where there is no cloud, i.e. when and where the TC is absent, does not allow estimating the ocean state under the TC. Interpolation simply does not give access to missing observations. I suggest the authors to perform the same analysis with original, non-interpolated data. Their results should be similar, without anyone questioning the impact or role of the interpolation on their results.
Second, I find the presentation of the anomaly estimates confusing (l. 145 to 175 and Figures 2 and 3). The authors first mention that they “analysed daily anomalies registered between 30-days before and 30-days after the passage of a TC” (l. 149-150). With respect to what are these anomalies estimated? These anomalies are then apparently used to estimate the periods to consider before and after the TC to estimate anomalies (l. 150-155 and Figure 2). Figure 3 seems to present anomalies that are used to identify periods from which anomalies are going to be estimated. Overall, it seems that there are 2 types of anomalies, but this is not clear. This whole section of the manuscript needs to be clarified.
Finally, I find that the analysis of the Hurricane Nadine case (2012) is not very convincing. Figure 7 shows very small differences in the mean SST and Chl-a anomalies estimated from the various levels of overlap. Are these differences significant? It seems very hard to conclude anything based on Figure 7. I suggest the authors to perform a more thorough analysis of that hurricane, or of another TC, in order to bring more convincing results to their study.
Suggestions
- l. 11, I suggest: “during and after the passage of a TC”, not only after.
- l. 22, “while dynamical mixing played a more important role in the later stage”: that analysis is not found in the main manuscript.
- l. 33-35, I suggest: “In his seminal study, Price (1981) shows, through both observed and numerical modelling data, the evolution of sea surface temperature (SST) etc.” The grammatical structure used by the authors is not correct, or not idiomatic, in English.
- l. 39-40, I suggest: “Additionally, several model-based works focused on either the effects caused by the TCs, or the interaction of the TC with its own cold wake (e.g., Chen et al., 2017; Zhang et al., 2019).”
- l. 41-42, I suggest: “Due to the upwelling of colder water, transport of nutrient-rich water from the sub-superficial layer may also occur (Kawai & Wada, 2011).”
- l. 52-54: In the Bay of Bengal, surface salinity associated with river discharge is thought to play an important role.
- l. 86-90 and l. 93: Please see my detailed comment about interpolated data.
- l. 100, I suggest: “up to 2020”, since the most recent full hurricane season is now 2021.
- l. 111: full tracks.
- l. 112: “the right panel showing a zoomed view…”
- l. 124: The authors can refer to Figure 1 here.
- l. 126-128: This repeats the end of the previous paragraph.
- l. 128-129: “with fewer and less intense tropical storms…”
- l. 138: “…isotach, tropical depressions were not considered (the exact partition of intensities is given etc.)”
- l. 139: “The correction for some missing…”
- l. 140: Figures 6 and 7 are mentioned before Figure 2. I suggest not to mention them here, but to mention the name of the corresponding section instead.
- l. 143: “considered area uses histograms, in which…”
- l. 149: Anomalies with respect to what? Please see my detailed comment about the anomaly estimates.
- l. 158: “Schematic”, not resumed schematic.
- l. 159: “The colour coding is as follows:…”
- l. 161: “Individual daily anomalies”, not induced.
- l. 163: Figure 7 is mentioned before Figure 3. I suggest not mentioning the figure.
- l. 168: Same as previously mentioned: with respect to what are the anomalies shown on Figure 3 estimated?
- l. 171, I suggest: “period where the effects on the oceanic variables are clearly visible.”
- l. 173: “too short”, instead of too small.
- l. 174, “both cases”: Are the authors referring to both variables?
- l. 174-175, “those extra periods varied both in number and location”: It is not clear what the authors are referring to here.
- l. 177: Same as previously mentioned: with respect to what are the anomalies estimated?
- l. 184, I suggest “both variables present a large impact…”
- l. 192, I suggest “weak” instead of “weaker”. Otherwise, the authors have to specify weaker than what.
- l. 199: “Fig. 4d shows”, not “Fig. 4d, shows”.
- l. 203: later, not latter.
- l. 204-205, “Powerful TCs induced a more varied distribution of anomalies”: what exactly do the authors mean?
- l. 205-207, “Do note that these different distributions do not represent the same geographical areas, since they are analysing different observations associated with the location of each TC as it moves along its storm-track”: Why are the authors mentioning this here? How should that affect the analysis of the histograms?
- l. 232, I suggest “with a dashed line representing a regression non-significant at the 95 % confidence level, and a solid line representing a regression significant at the 95 % confidence level.”
- l. 235: “amount of sampling data within the region”.
- l. 235: “Red squares”.
- l. 238, I suggest “study region” instead of “sector”.
- l. 251, I suggest “in total (grey)”.
- l. 253: “maturing (Fig. 6a, squares), and mature hurricane (Fig. 6a, stars).”
- l. 254: “, and the last one, 7”.
- l. 257: “therefore, the sum of all three phases will result in the bigger histogram.”
- l. 262-263, “with the last phase weighing the most in the general distribution (as was seen for the chl-a)”: Isn’t this due to the number of observations, related to the size of the storm? How does that affect the results or analysis? I am not sure this information is very relevant.
- l. 263, I suggest: “The highest SST impact…”
- l. 263-265: That sentence is relevant to SST only. The authors could check how robust their analysis is, maybe by looking at the SST values along the track and how they support or not strong TC air-sea interactions. Also, the authors do not analyze the Chl-a signal, which is different from the SST one. A brief analysis is included in the abstract, it should appear here in detail.
- l. 269: The caption is in contradiction with the text. In soft grey it should be all data, not “no overlap”, based on the text (l. 272-273) and on the map on Figure 7. Based on the text, in dark grey should be 3 overlaps or more, and in black 5 overlaps or more.
- l. 274-277: As mentioned in my detailed comments, the differences seem small. Are they significant?
- l. 277-278: That sentence is not very clear. How was the TC intensity deemed irrelevant?
- l. 278-281: As mentioned in my detailed comments, the results derived from Figure 7 are not very convincing, which makes it hard to support the hypothesis mentioned here.
- l. 284-286: As mentioned in my detailed comments, the use of interpolated data raises some serious questions. I suggest revisiting the analysis using non interpolated data.
- l. 287-288, I suggest: “the existence of a bio-physical response after the passage of a TC was identified from the analysis of chl-a and SST datasets, which etc.”
- l. 288: I suggest removing the parentheses for Chl-a and SST.
- l. 289: I suggest removing “considerably”, it seems a bit exaggerated.
- l. 291: “anomalies in the order of 0.026 mg/m3 in chl-a…”
- l. 293: “… oceanic responses, which agree with…”
- l. 294-296: There is a contradiction in that sentence, with a relationship that was first confirmed and then not confirmed. I suggest rephrasing into something like: “In agreement with previous studies (refs), the TC translation speed was also found to be associated with anomalies in both variables, although the relationship was not significant at the 95 % statistical confidence level in our study.”
- l. 299-300: Can these various effects and their induced anomalies be documented with the database assembled by the authors?
- l. 309: I disagree with “It is evident through this analysis”, see my previous comments.
- l. 312-313: I disagree with that sentence. The TC-induced changes should be identified on non-interpolated data. The most relevant quality control of the interpolated data would be an evaluation using independant data collected under the TCs, which is of course challenging.
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Miguel Lima, 31 May 2022
We would like to thank the reviewer for the constructive comments on our study, they were appreciated and will certainly improve the overall quality of this article. Some points of the manuscript have suffered major revisions to answer the criticisms/suggestions made by the reviewers, including:
- Some steps of the methodology have been revised to take into account the characteristics of each Tropical Cyclone (TC), thus, we have considered the climatological situation for each individual storm and compared it to the condition when the TC occurred. This change allowed us to individually study the responses for each TC more accurately while at the same time separating the SST and Chl-a response completely.
- The uncertainty surrounding the interpolated data was addressed in this revision. For this, we incorporated two types of analysis: 1) we showed the approximated errors associated with the analyzed data and for various time periods surrounding TCs; 2) we used the previously shown two study cases (Nadine and Ophelia) as evaluation cases for non-interpolated data. Overall, the interpolated datasets appear to provide consistent data that delivered good results, either not showing a large uncertainty (particularly for SST) and showing good relations to non-interpolated data (particularly for Chl-a).
- Finally, some small but important changes were made in the results section, with the addition of individual 6-hour observation analysis, which corroborated the analysis made in the original manuscript; and in the Nadine (2012) study case, which was not clear enough in the original version.
Overall, we are confident that these changes contributed to clarify some issues not sufficiently clear in the original manuscript. In this regard, the observations made by the reviewers were greatly appreciated and have certainly helped to improve the quality of the revised manuscript.
Answer to major comments:
- We acknowledge some of the caveats by using this interpolated dataset and the necessity to address this more carefully. The data we used was a blended product that, even though originating from several microwave sensors, will still have a large amount of error in relation to clear skies observations. Although we did not take this into account in the original version of the manuscript, we are to incorporating a performance assessment of this data in the revised version in two ways: 1) we intend to show that the approximated error associated with the data provided by CMEMS, as they do not provide any other measure of cloud cover or missing data, and, this approach aims to evaluate the overall quality of the analyzed data in respect to the equivalent non-TC area errors (see fig. R1); 2) we will use both case studies as evaluation cases for un-blended (i.e., non-interpolated) data and compare them to the original blended SST and Chl-a data from CMEMS (see fig. R2). Ideally, the second approach should be applied to all TCs, however, satellite products usually do not have such a long available time period without gaps (either due to cloud coverage, satellite blind spots, or satellite down-time), making a general study complex and requiring several different datasets to cover the entire region for over 20 years. Therefore, the datasets presented in the original manuscript were particularly relevant in this broad context. Nonetheless, we are confident that the addition of results based on the non-interpolated data will only benefit the original analysis.
- We agree with the reviewers’ observations that there is a need to clarify how these anomalies are computed. There are indeed two types of anomalies that aim to account for two very different situations: 1) The first type is presented in the methodology section and corresponds to “classic anomalies” obtained when daily absolute values (of both SST and Chl-a) are compared to the corresponding daily climatological values for the region (Fig. 3, original manuscript); these were used to eliminate the seasonal trend in our data. 2) The second type of anomalies, shown in the results section, corresponds to “anomalies induced by the TCs”, originating from the difference between the mean situation before the TC and the situation after (Fig. 2, original manuscript), only based on absolute values prior and after the passage of each TC, i.e., without using the climatological reference. Upon this and other reviewers’ suggestions, the revised version of the manuscript has suffered a significant improvement on several methodological steps, including the time considered before and after the passage of TCs. In the revised approach we are only using the observed values to compute everything that is needed (search and results), i.e., no “classical anomalies” are considered. This new approach considers the climatological situation of that storm’s time period and compares it to the observed situation when the TC occurred in the region, in the form of excess standard deviation and then evaluates the maximum differences before and after the storm. A practical example for Hurricane Nadine is shown for Chl-a (Figure R3).
- We agree with the reviewer that the study case of Hurricane Nadine was not entirely convincing. We tried using essentially the same approach to the analysis of both case studies and presenting them as such, in retrospect this proved not to be so successful for the Nadine study case and the revised manuscript does have these observations into account (see Figure R4).
Answer to suggestions:
- Changed accordingly.
- Since thermodynamic exchanges played a major role in the beginning of the storm, we presumed that dynamic mixing should affect more the later stages. However, without clear data to support the statement we are downgrading it in the revised manuscript.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly (original suggestion is in l. 41-42).
- Yes, and this is brought in Chacko (2019), we did not include this fact to keep the paragraph concise, although the revised manuscript will include this and a better link between this paragraph and our own study region.
- Answered in detail before (please see answer to major comment 1).
- Changed accordingly. At the time of writing the 2021 data was not yet available.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- Agree. We aim to reduce the first two paragraphs of the methodology section, also following similar suggestions of other reviewers.
- Changed accordingly.
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- Changed accordingly.
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- Changed accordingly.
- In this instance we were referring to classical anomalies, computed from climatological values. Full answer in major comment 2.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- In this case, it would be the newly computed induced anomalies, as they were a result of the subtraction of the daily values with the average mean before the storm. Nonetheless, this section will be changed significantly in the revised manuscript namely to accommodate the novel methodology described above when answering the major questions raised by the reviewer.
- Changed accordingly. Figure not mentioned here.
- Changed accordingly. Figure not mentioned here.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- Yes.
- The extra periods were relative to other time periods identified by the algorithm, and were different for SST and Chl-a, while the main ones coincided in time.
- Estimated with the climatological values. However, in the revised manuscript these anomalies will be disregarded.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- We meant that the range of induced anomalies was larger. However, we realized afterwards that this statement is not correct and, therefore, will be rectified in the revised version based on new results.
- It does not affect the analysis of the histogram in any way. It is just a justification for the blue and orange histograms inside each subplot (that are analyzing the same number of cyclones) not presenting the same area under the curve.
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
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- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- We agree, as this information is in retrospect, redundant, it will be removed.
- Changed accordingly.
- We agree with the reviewer and this issue will be one of the major points addressed in the revision in the manuscript.
- Indeed, we thank the reviewer for the correction.
- We did not test for significance in either of the study cases. However, this section of the manuscript has suffered a major revision and these questions will be taken into consideration for clarity.
- We did not consider Nadine’s intensity to be so relevant for this study case since the TC was not very intense and did not change too much during its lifetime in the study region. As mentioned in the previous point, this section is revised, and these points have been taken into consideration for clarity.
- We agree, and one of our aims for the revision is to make these results clearer.
- We agree with the observation (Please see answer to Major comment 1).
- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
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- Changed accordingly.
- Changed accordingly.
- The two first effects were verified in our database, and the third we did not look into since post-tropical transition might occur immediately outside the study region or the best-track data does not include the observations after the tropical nature of the cyclone ceases. Nonetheless, these remarks (l. 297-300) pertained to the bibliography and not to our results.
- Agree.
- We agree, we detailed our new approach to this problem in the detailed comments.
Figure labels (figures included as supplement):
Figure R1 (New fig. S2) - Value of associated uncertainty for Chl-a (top row) and SST (bottom row) for three critical moments of this analysis (before, during, and after TCs) and a random sample from the dataset. Do note the larger scale of uncertainty for chl-a.
Figure R2 (New fig. 6) - Histograms for the situation before (black) and after (grey) for each of the study cases. Top row shows the CMEMS interpolated data and the bottom row the correspondent non-interpolated data.
Figure R3 (Supplement only, not included in the main manuscript) - Daily excess standard deviation over the climatological value of Chl-a for the area affected by Hurricane Nadine (2012).
Figure R4 (New fig. 8) - Revised Nadine study case. Scatter plots (b) and (c) show the avg. induced response for each subregion (based on super-position of pixels) inside the affected area in (a).
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