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The contrasted phytoplankton dynamics across a frontal system in the southwestern Mediterranean Sea
Abstract. Phytoplankton plays a major role in the ocean, being the basis of the marine food web and controlling the biogeochemical cycles. Numerical simulation have shown that finescale structures such as fronts are often suitable places for the generation of vertical velocities, transporting subsurface nutrients to the euphotic zone and thus modulating phytoplankton abundance and community structure. Since several years, observations have concentrated on nutrient fluxes along these structures. Instead, direct in situ estimations of the phytoplankton growth rates are much less numerous; although difficult to obtain, they provide a precious information on the ecosystem functioning. Here, we consider the case of a front separating two water masses characterized by several phytoplankton groups with different abundances, in the southwestern Mediterranean Sea. In order to estimate possible differences in growing rates, we used an adaptive and Lagrangian sampling strategy to measure the phytoplankton diurnal cycle in these two water masses. The use of a size-structured population model was then applied to these data to estimate the growth and division rates for each phytoplankton groups identified by flow cytometry, showing that these two population parameters are significantly different on the two sides of the front, and consistent with the relative abundances. Our results introduce a general method for estimating growth rates at frontal systems, paving the way to in situ exploration of finescale biophysical scenarios.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1008', Anonymous Referee #1, 23 Nov 2022
General Comments
In the manuscript “The contrasted phytoplankton dynamics across a frontal system in the southwestern Mediterranean Sea”, Tzortzis et al. compare the phytoplankton communities at two different water masses separated by a frontal region.
The work is original. The sampling design to analyze the two water masses separated by a front, and the phytoplanktonic community that characterizes them, is very interesting. Especially having a tool like the CytoBuoy. However, the manuscript needs improvement in many aspects before it can be considered for publication.
In general, it is a disorganized text. The story does not flow, the paragraphs do not focus on clear topics, there are very long and confusing sentences, there are methodological descriptions in the results and results in the discussion... All sections should be carefully reviewed and improved.
Especially the introduction and discussion. The study area is barely described or named, why it is so relevant to focus on that particular front (besides the scope of the satellite)? Moreover, in the first paragraph of the introduction, the authors mention the context of climate change. How will climate change affect the presence and intensity of the fronts? And in turn, how a possible change in the intensity and frequency of the fronts will affect the associated phytoplankton communities? As a reader, I feel like I am being shown an interesting image, but in black and white instead of full color.
Specific Comments
Introduction
The authors describe in ~15 lines the relevance of phytoplankton and ocean fronts. In my opinion, more information is needed. Knowing the abundance and diversity of phytoplankton is important, but its role in the carbon cycle should also be highlighted, which changes depending on whether the community is dominated by small or large species. Moreover, an oceanic front is not defined, the authors describe briefly the physical-biological interaction. I also miss an intro to the study region.
After that brief introduction, the difficulty of an in situ study is described, and without continuing the story fluently, they begin to talk about an oceanographic campaign/project. I think the information is relevant, although the more technical details should be indicated in the methodology.
Finally, the last paragraph is confusing. There is a lot of information, but not all makes sense, and it is kind of disorganized. The last paragraph of the introduction should clearly define the objectives of the study and how the authors would answer them.
- Ln 16: Phytoplankton are essential for marine ecosystems, but not really for the functioning of the oceans… Oceans can function without life.
- Ln 16-17: Revise the sentence. The CO2 assimilated by phytoplankton can be exported to deep waters when they die or are partially eaten, being decomposed at depth; that’s the biological pump. But not when they are eaten by higher trophic layers.
- Ln 20-22: Add references.
- Ln 22-23: Revise the sentence. It seems that the idea the authors are trying to convey is that the temporal scale of growth/evolution of the phytoplankton community is due to a fine-scale coupling. It seems that the fronts are the ideal environment for phytoplankton when it is not necessarily true.
- Ln 27: Here there is a change of topic, please, start a new paragraph.
- Ln 24-27: Revise sentence. First, the sentence is too long.
In my opinion, the use of "could" makes the facts described less solid. It is established that fine-scale frontal structures induce vertical velocity. Is there any study where no vertical velocity is associated with these structures?
Vertical velocities do not modulate light availability. Vertical velocities move the phytoplankton cells along the water column and depending on the “resulting” depth they will have more or less light.
- Ln 33-35: I do not understand this sentence. Are you saying that little is known about the phytoplankton diel cycle? Not only there are laboratory experiments, but also models, in particular individual-based models, that study this fact. For example, several studies by Geider et al.
- Ln 44-48: Please, rephrase these sentences with a clearer and simpler message.
- Ln 46-48: Could the authors provide some details about the nutrient concentration of both water masses?
- Ln 49-50: This sentence looks like part of the results section. I understand that you are referring to Tzortzis et al. (2021), but it is not clear.
- Ln 51: This study, or Tzortzis et al. (2021)? I imagine is Tzortzis et al. (2021), then this first sentence and probably the open questions should be in the previous paragraph.
Materials and methods
- Ln 70-73: I don’t think this information is relevant.
- Ln 73-76: These facts should be in the introduction.
- Ln 77: Please, consider indicating that the measures have a high spatial and temporal resolution.
- Ln 77: I am not sure if you can use in situ sensors when they are on board. It is kind of repetitive.
- Ln 77-70: Here you are describing in situ measurements, that are described in the next subsection.
- Ln 80-82: Repetitive information (introduction).
- Ln 76 and 83: Please, describe the sampling strategy details in a single paragraph.
- Ln 84 and 85: Please, mention the source of the remote sensing datasets.
- Ln 91-94: What are the temporal and spatial resolution of the temperature and salinity measurements?
- Ln 94-115: One paragraph. Moreover, revise the information provided, there is some repetitiveness regarding the optical signals.
- Ln 104: 1.5 cm3 is the water volume analyzed? Please, consider expressing the volume in mL, in my experience, it is a more common unit used in this kind of study.
- Ln 112: Again, please consider using cell per mL.
- Ln 115-116: Totally out of place.
- Ln 118-124: Please, make it clear that this size-structured population model was applied to every phytoplankton population/group identified previously using the CytoBuoy.
- Ln 126: To use the model, the light scatter signal (FWS) recorded for each cell by the flow cytometer must be converted to size (diameter) using a power law relationship (Sosik et al., 2003), and then to biovolume (v).
I imagine that to convert size into volume you are considering that all the species are spherical. Then, please consider indicating this fact and that you are converting the FWS signal to Equivalent Spherical Diameter.
Please, indicate the units of both measurements. Also for the rest of the variables (t, E, g, µ*,…).
- Ln 128: I am not sure if N is the number of cells in all the size classes or at each size class.
- Ln 133: How many size classes were determined and how? Does it follow a log distribution?
- Ln 135: I am not sure what exactly is “this probability”. Is it the probability of cells growing in a time interval? Is it a probability or a proportion?
- Ln 141: Instead of however, besides seems more appropriate.
- Ln 141-142: Repetitive information.
- Ln 147: I consider kind of inappropriate the use of a “decrease in cell size”, it is a division. A phytoplanktonic cell decreases in size if the growth conditions are not optimal, and that is not an indication that there is a doubling event.
- Ln 150-151: This sentence is confusing. Why do you talk about N(0) when is not used in the equations 5. (Two equations = two labels, please. Similarly, with equations 8)
- Ln 153: A(t) is a tridiagonal transition matrix that contains.
- Ln 159: Could you elaborate on what you mean by optimal parameters, please?
- Ln 160: Standard deviations of the errors?
- Ln 166: There is no information about this equation.
- Ln 167-169: I do not understand this explanation.
Moreover, the definition of "bar l" (I do not know how to write the loss symbol here) confuses me. If it is the daily average population loss rate, how dt is 1 hour? On the other hand, what do you mean exactly by loss? The number of cells moving from one size class to another, or death?
What is the description of T1day NT0?
I have no experience using this kind of model, but any reader should be able to understand the methodology followed in the study without having to read previous studies. So please, review this section carefully and try to make it as clear as possible.
Results
- Ln 176-188: This information should be included in the methodology section. Also, at the end of this explanation, it will be interesting to indicate how to convert the scatter signal to size and volume.
The details about how every species was differentiated, in my opinion, are not necessary, therefore I propose the authors move it to the supplementary, together with Figure 2.
- Ln 210-211: The information about the figures does not fit here. It will be more appropriate to move to the beginning of the next paragraph. On the other hand, please explain the background information. Does it make reference to the proportion (percentage) of cells of each biovolume? If it is a percentage, why it does not vary between 0 and 1?
- Ln 211-216: How was reconstructed the 24-hour irradiance curve should be explained in the methodology.
- Ln 221, 222, 231, and 232: Please, include the standard deviation value together with the mean value.
- Ln 217-233: Please, explain in this section why there is no information about the other 6 groups identified.
Discussion
- Ln 236: Please, add some references.
- Ln 245-246: What do you mean by transiting in all the cell cycle stages? That they are growing and dividing?
- Ln 254: What do you mean by extensive distribution?
- Ln 265: Is it really the only reference for this fact?
- Ln 269-274: Basically the same was said in the introduction.
- Ln 275: Please, revise this sentence.
- Ln 284: The fact that light and irradiance are essential for phytoplankton growth was known before 2001.
- Ln 285: Then is expected a higher nutrient concentration in the old AW? For that reason, there is a higher contribution of larger cells?
Conclusions and perspectives
- Ln305-309: This is not a conclusion.
Technical corrections
- Ln 6: Delete the space between “numerous” and “;”.
- Ln 21: Add a comma after (days-weeks).
- Ln 41: Delete parenthesis after altimetry.
- Ln 87: Once the front “is” localized.
- Ln 103: 1164 samples “were” analyzed.
- Ln 122: Maybe light availability is more adequate?
- Ln 129: Please, consider changing investigated by counted.
- Ln 134 and141: … between the time interval t…
- Ln 135-136: … necessary to carry out photosynthesis?
- Ln 157: Is there a typo? The probability of division is not denoted by γ?
- Ln 163-164: You already defined those symbols; it is kind of redundant to do it again.
- Ln 185: [chla]?
- Ln 207: Please, consider using disregarding instead of eliminating.
- Ln 227: Observed biovolume (observed and in situ are kind of repetitive), and predicted biovolume (check also Ln 219).
- Ln 219-220: all species populations in both water masses?
- Ln 222: No comma before the parenthesis.
- Ln 221, 223, 224, 229, 230, 240: l or "bar l"?
- Ln 239-240: The structure of the phytoplankton community.
- Delete the point after the manuscript title and after the abstract.
- Please, use 1 or 2 decimal numbers for all the variables measurements, to keep the format along the manuscript (e.g., Ln 46, 48, 221).
- Please, use the same format for the dates along the manuscript (e.g., Ln 70 and 93).
- Please, revise the use of the word indeed, it is repeated quite often throughout the text.
Figure 1.
- Panel a is very small, impossible to appreciate the information. Moreover, the colormap scale is minuscule and does not indicate the variable (and units) that represents.
- In panel b, it would be interesting to indicate where the sampling events took place.
- In panel c, in my opinion, the clock diagrams are not necessary.
- Legend: The purple box encloses a (b) zoom of the sampling region with overlaid chlorophyll-a concentration (units). ______. The red line represents _____, the dark blue box ______, and the light blue box _______.
- I am not an English native, but I think that the lines and boxes are superimposed to the chl map. The other way around will not allow you to see lines and boxes.
Figure 2.
- As previously indicated, I do not consider this figure of relevance to the main text.
Figure 2.
- Legend: Background colors indicate the two water masses…
Figures 4-6.
- Explain what represents the red line and the background color.
- Correct all the color bars (by figure) to vary all in the same range.
Figure 7.
- A very small figure, with some details difficult to appreciate. Even the legend is difficult to read.
Table 2.
- Indicate also that there is information about the standard deviation.
- Define every variable on its own.
- µ ratio should not be adimensional? The equation and its meaning are already defined in the text.
- Define the acronym PFG.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1008-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Roxane Tzortzis, 25 Nov 2022
Dear referee,
We are grateful to you for accepting to review our manuscript. Thank you very much for your constructive comments and detailed suggestions.
We agree with you on many points and we consider that we can easily meet your requests. We will put particular attention on the reorganize of our text (especially the introduction and discussion) following your suggestions. While waiting for the other reviewer’s comments, we are starting to rework the manuscript to ensure a high quality of our manuscript, in order to obtain the publisher’s acceptance.
King regards,
Roxane Tzortzis
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1008-AC1 - AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Roxane Tzortzis, 13 Feb 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1008', Anonymous Referee #2, 26 Dec 2022
Comments on “The contrasted phytoplankton dynamics across a frontal system in the southwestern Mediterranean Sea”, by Roxane Tzortzis, Andrea M. Doglioli, Stéphanie Barrillon, Anne A. Petrenko, Lloyd Izard, Yuan Zhao, Francesco d’Ovidio, Franck Dumas, and Gérald Gregori.
General Comments
Fine-scale physical processes affect the community structures and productivity of marine plankton at various time scales, but the study to explore them are relatively limited due to technical difficulties. This study aims at untangling this problem by applying the combination of a semi-Lagrangian survey, semi-continuous sampling, and biomathematical models. This approach is novel, and the results obtained from the field survey in the Mediterranean Sea seem to be reasonable. I believe that their approach may open the door to the elucidation of complex physical processes that affect marine microbial ecology, though there are still some problems to be answered.
The first problem is that the objective of the present study (this article) is ambiguous. I understand the final goal of their study, but the results obtained this time are too primitive for that. Based on the results obtained, the authors should reconstruct the objective(s) of the “present” study. The authors should be clear about whether this manuscript concentrated on the development of a new method or aimed to elucidate the effects of the frontal structure observed in the South Mediterranean Sea on phytoplankton structures to some degree. In addition to Introduction and Abstract, the title of the article possibly should be changed in association with that.
The second problem is about the robustness and significance of the estimates of growth and loss rates. When we compare two or more values, the intervals of confidence or possible standard errors are indispensable. However, in the present manuscript, there are no remarks on that. If possible, please add the statistical information.
English grammatical errors are relatively frequent in this manuscript. The authors should have it checked by a native speaker or some editorial service. For example, “Numerical simulation have shown” (L3), “Since several years” (L5), and “a precious information” (L7).
These are general comments on this manuscript. The followings are minor specific comments.
Specific Comments
L71 “satellite SWOT will be launched” is correct.
L74 What do the authors mean by “moderate energy”? Which energy? And in which way is it important in the selection of the present study site?
L91 “have been measured” should be “were measured”.
L109 Was the categorization of phytoplankton populations (functional groups) on cytograms made manually on a somewhat arbitrary criterion or semi-automatedly using something like machine learning? How do the authors guarantee the validity and consistency of the categorization?
L114 Show us the time and space (cruise length) ranges that a single sample covers.
L183 What do the authors mean by “put in evidence”?
L197 “A similar distribution is observed” should be “A similar distribution was observed”. Most of the sentences in this paragraph should be rewritten to past tense.
L204 “In addition to the cell abundances measured along the route of the ship, the phytoplankton diurnal cycle in the two water masses was also reconstructed” This sentence means that the cell abundances were reconstructed first. But, of course, they were not “reconstructed”. Rewrite.
L205 “each water mass” should be “either water mass”?
L207 “This adaptive Lagrangian approach allows sampling of the different functional groups of phytoplankton in each water mass” Different functional groups of phytoplankton in different water masses can be sampled using another approach. I think that this is not the benefit of the adaptive Lagrangian approach. Explain it more appropriately.
L217 “Furthermore, the comparison between the biovolume observed in situ and the biovolume predicted by the model is sound and confirms that the model-predicted cell size distributions well recapitulated the diurnal cycle reflecting either growth or cell division.” Could the authors show any data or figure to support this?
L223 As mentioned in my General Comments, I request the authors to show the interval of confidence or something that can evaluate the robustness of the estimates presented by the present method. This will enable us to compare the values of different phytoplankton groups and water masses on a statistical basis. I can find something like that in Table 2, but I fail to see what it means. When the authors consider the interval, is it significant to discuss the “difference” between the two water masses?
L223 What do the authors mean by a negative loss rate? I think that it should be shown as a positive value if the loss term is significant.
L224 “a low division rate” should be “a low loss rate”?
L225 We are not able to judge whether the difference is “significant”, without an appropriate statistical figure. Did the authors conducted a statistical test? In which way? What was the level of significance?
L244 “largest cells of Synechococcus are dominant” This sounds unnatural. “large cells” or “larger cells” may sound more natural.
L245 “This is due to the fact that the older AW is composed of Synechococcus cells transiting in all the cell cycle stages all day long” That the older AW is composed of Synechococcus cells transiting in all the cell cycle stages all day long is not a “fact”, but a suggestion or speculation derived from the present observation. The authors should be more careful about it.
L250 “The patchiness of a distribution” laterally means how frequently “patches” are observed in that distribution. It does not mean how dispersed it is over a wide range. This misunderstanding may be critical in this discussion.
L257 Avoid using any contraction (including “couldn’t”) in academic writing.
L258 What is an “important biodiversity”? I believe that biodiversity is always important.
L261 Does this mean that the authors should have conducted molecular analysis (e.g. metabarcoding) to elucidate which taxonomic group each flow cytometric population is composed of? Although it requires flow sorting before analysis, is it a possible future plan? Anyway, the authors mention “this hypothesis” here, but I could not find any hypothesis to be tested from this paragraph. Please reconsider the issues to be discussed here and rearrange this paragraph.
L269 The authors have used the term “finescale” and the rough definition appears here for the first time. From which have the authors derived this definition? We often used the term “mesoscale” to show this spatial scale in marine processes (Dickey and Bidigare, 2005, Scientia Marina). If this term was originally defined, the authors should have shown that in Introduction.
L272 What are “many important oceanic processes including biogeochemical cycles and biodiversity”? Unless specified, we cannot judge whether “this suggests the possibility of a close coupling between the finescale forcing and the phytoplankton distribution and growth.” Honestly, I could not understand what the authors are to discuss in this paragraph. In different water masses, phytoplankton community structures are different almost every time. We usually attribute this to different water properties that can affect phytoplankton physiology, including salinity, temperature, turbidity, and nutrient concentrations, rather than to temporal and/or spatial scales of physical processes. I am afraid that there may be a large discrepancy between the final goal of this (overall) study and possible conclusions extracted from the present results.
L284 How much of the two figures (Figs. 7 and A2) was extracted from the original version in Tzortzis et al. (2021)? If it is a copy of the original, the authors should not use it again but should just cite it. And the authors say “in the frontal area upwellings and downwellings occur with different intensities”, but I think that it is not reflected in Fig. 7. From this figure, I could not find any difference in the vertical velocity of the two water masses.
L286 The authors intended to say “spatial”, not “special”? Even if so, the authors did not show “spatial” distribution in this paper. They just showed “temporal variations” in phytoplankton populations while covering two water masses.
L289 “high phytoplankton size” is not an appropriate term.
L290 “picophytoplankton are more abundant in oligotrophic regions” This is a problematic description. First, it is true that the proportion of picophytoplankton in the total phytoplankton biomass becomes higher in the oligotrophic region compared with that in the mesotrophic or eutrophic regions. However, the absolute biomass or abundance of picophytoplankton is not always higher in the oligotrophic area. Generally speaking, Prochlorococcus, which are adapted to ultraoligotrophic environments, are most abundant in oligotrophic waters. However, Synechococcus and eukaryotic picophytoplankton are more abundant in the mesotrophic region. Additionally, within the narrow trophic variation of the oligotrophic regions (typically < 0.1 μM of nitrate), a higher concentration of nutrients is sometimes related to the higher abundance of these picophytoplankton populations. Because the Mediterranean Sea is widely depleted with surface nutrients, discussion is not such a simple one as “picophytoplankton are more abundant in oligotrophic regions.” I admit that this description is true for the study area, as shown in previous studies (Jacquet et al., 2010; Mena et al., 2016) as well, but it is not always related to generalization.
L295 “If in our study we do not have nutrient data” I do not understand the intention. Are the authors unclear whether they have nutrient data themselves?
L305 Here the authors abandoned the trial to estimate the effects of physical processes on irradiance received by phytoplankton, but is it impossible to compare them from the results of vertical velocity in the two water masses?
L309 Although the authors succeeded in estimating intrinsic growth rates of various phytoplankton populations in the two different water masses using novel methodologies, the conclusion remarks here seem too superficial and primitive. The authors did not discuss the validity or robustness of the methodology or did not discuss the interactive connections among physical fields, chemical environments, and phytoplankton growth with quantitative comparisons.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1008-RC2 - AC3: 'Reply on RC2', Roxane Tzortzis, 13 Feb 2023
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1008', Anonymous Referee #1, 23 Nov 2022
General Comments
In the manuscript “The contrasted phytoplankton dynamics across a frontal system in the southwestern Mediterranean Sea”, Tzortzis et al. compare the phytoplankton communities at two different water masses separated by a frontal region.
The work is original. The sampling design to analyze the two water masses separated by a front, and the phytoplanktonic community that characterizes them, is very interesting. Especially having a tool like the CytoBuoy. However, the manuscript needs improvement in many aspects before it can be considered for publication.
In general, it is a disorganized text. The story does not flow, the paragraphs do not focus on clear topics, there are very long and confusing sentences, there are methodological descriptions in the results and results in the discussion... All sections should be carefully reviewed and improved.
Especially the introduction and discussion. The study area is barely described or named, why it is so relevant to focus on that particular front (besides the scope of the satellite)? Moreover, in the first paragraph of the introduction, the authors mention the context of climate change. How will climate change affect the presence and intensity of the fronts? And in turn, how a possible change in the intensity and frequency of the fronts will affect the associated phytoplankton communities? As a reader, I feel like I am being shown an interesting image, but in black and white instead of full color.
Specific Comments
Introduction
The authors describe in ~15 lines the relevance of phytoplankton and ocean fronts. In my opinion, more information is needed. Knowing the abundance and diversity of phytoplankton is important, but its role in the carbon cycle should also be highlighted, which changes depending on whether the community is dominated by small or large species. Moreover, an oceanic front is not defined, the authors describe briefly the physical-biological interaction. I also miss an intro to the study region.
After that brief introduction, the difficulty of an in situ study is described, and without continuing the story fluently, they begin to talk about an oceanographic campaign/project. I think the information is relevant, although the more technical details should be indicated in the methodology.
Finally, the last paragraph is confusing. There is a lot of information, but not all makes sense, and it is kind of disorganized. The last paragraph of the introduction should clearly define the objectives of the study and how the authors would answer them.
- Ln 16: Phytoplankton are essential for marine ecosystems, but not really for the functioning of the oceans… Oceans can function without life.
- Ln 16-17: Revise the sentence. The CO2 assimilated by phytoplankton can be exported to deep waters when they die or are partially eaten, being decomposed at depth; that’s the biological pump. But not when they are eaten by higher trophic layers.
- Ln 20-22: Add references.
- Ln 22-23: Revise the sentence. It seems that the idea the authors are trying to convey is that the temporal scale of growth/evolution of the phytoplankton community is due to a fine-scale coupling. It seems that the fronts are the ideal environment for phytoplankton when it is not necessarily true.
- Ln 27: Here there is a change of topic, please, start a new paragraph.
- Ln 24-27: Revise sentence. First, the sentence is too long.
In my opinion, the use of "could" makes the facts described less solid. It is established that fine-scale frontal structures induce vertical velocity. Is there any study where no vertical velocity is associated with these structures?
Vertical velocities do not modulate light availability. Vertical velocities move the phytoplankton cells along the water column and depending on the “resulting” depth they will have more or less light.
- Ln 33-35: I do not understand this sentence. Are you saying that little is known about the phytoplankton diel cycle? Not only there are laboratory experiments, but also models, in particular individual-based models, that study this fact. For example, several studies by Geider et al.
- Ln 44-48: Please, rephrase these sentences with a clearer and simpler message.
- Ln 46-48: Could the authors provide some details about the nutrient concentration of both water masses?
- Ln 49-50: This sentence looks like part of the results section. I understand that you are referring to Tzortzis et al. (2021), but it is not clear.
- Ln 51: This study, or Tzortzis et al. (2021)? I imagine is Tzortzis et al. (2021), then this first sentence and probably the open questions should be in the previous paragraph.
Materials and methods
- Ln 70-73: I don’t think this information is relevant.
- Ln 73-76: These facts should be in the introduction.
- Ln 77: Please, consider indicating that the measures have a high spatial and temporal resolution.
- Ln 77: I am not sure if you can use in situ sensors when they are on board. It is kind of repetitive.
- Ln 77-70: Here you are describing in situ measurements, that are described in the next subsection.
- Ln 80-82: Repetitive information (introduction).
- Ln 76 and 83: Please, describe the sampling strategy details in a single paragraph.
- Ln 84 and 85: Please, mention the source of the remote sensing datasets.
- Ln 91-94: What are the temporal and spatial resolution of the temperature and salinity measurements?
- Ln 94-115: One paragraph. Moreover, revise the information provided, there is some repetitiveness regarding the optical signals.
- Ln 104: 1.5 cm3 is the water volume analyzed? Please, consider expressing the volume in mL, in my experience, it is a more common unit used in this kind of study.
- Ln 112: Again, please consider using cell per mL.
- Ln 115-116: Totally out of place.
- Ln 118-124: Please, make it clear that this size-structured population model was applied to every phytoplankton population/group identified previously using the CytoBuoy.
- Ln 126: To use the model, the light scatter signal (FWS) recorded for each cell by the flow cytometer must be converted to size (diameter) using a power law relationship (Sosik et al., 2003), and then to biovolume (v).
I imagine that to convert size into volume you are considering that all the species are spherical. Then, please consider indicating this fact and that you are converting the FWS signal to Equivalent Spherical Diameter.
Please, indicate the units of both measurements. Also for the rest of the variables (t, E, g, µ*,…).
- Ln 128: I am not sure if N is the number of cells in all the size classes or at each size class.
- Ln 133: How many size classes were determined and how? Does it follow a log distribution?
- Ln 135: I am not sure what exactly is “this probability”. Is it the probability of cells growing in a time interval? Is it a probability or a proportion?
- Ln 141: Instead of however, besides seems more appropriate.
- Ln 141-142: Repetitive information.
- Ln 147: I consider kind of inappropriate the use of a “decrease in cell size”, it is a division. A phytoplanktonic cell decreases in size if the growth conditions are not optimal, and that is not an indication that there is a doubling event.
- Ln 150-151: This sentence is confusing. Why do you talk about N(0) when is not used in the equations 5. (Two equations = two labels, please. Similarly, with equations 8)
- Ln 153: A(t) is a tridiagonal transition matrix that contains.
- Ln 159: Could you elaborate on what you mean by optimal parameters, please?
- Ln 160: Standard deviations of the errors?
- Ln 166: There is no information about this equation.
- Ln 167-169: I do not understand this explanation.
Moreover, the definition of "bar l" (I do not know how to write the loss symbol here) confuses me. If it is the daily average population loss rate, how dt is 1 hour? On the other hand, what do you mean exactly by loss? The number of cells moving from one size class to another, or death?
What is the description of T1day NT0?
I have no experience using this kind of model, but any reader should be able to understand the methodology followed in the study without having to read previous studies. So please, review this section carefully and try to make it as clear as possible.
Results
- Ln 176-188: This information should be included in the methodology section. Also, at the end of this explanation, it will be interesting to indicate how to convert the scatter signal to size and volume.
The details about how every species was differentiated, in my opinion, are not necessary, therefore I propose the authors move it to the supplementary, together with Figure 2.
- Ln 210-211: The information about the figures does not fit here. It will be more appropriate to move to the beginning of the next paragraph. On the other hand, please explain the background information. Does it make reference to the proportion (percentage) of cells of each biovolume? If it is a percentage, why it does not vary between 0 and 1?
- Ln 211-216: How was reconstructed the 24-hour irradiance curve should be explained in the methodology.
- Ln 221, 222, 231, and 232: Please, include the standard deviation value together with the mean value.
- Ln 217-233: Please, explain in this section why there is no information about the other 6 groups identified.
Discussion
- Ln 236: Please, add some references.
- Ln 245-246: What do you mean by transiting in all the cell cycle stages? That they are growing and dividing?
- Ln 254: What do you mean by extensive distribution?
- Ln 265: Is it really the only reference for this fact?
- Ln 269-274: Basically the same was said in the introduction.
- Ln 275: Please, revise this sentence.
- Ln 284: The fact that light and irradiance are essential for phytoplankton growth was known before 2001.
- Ln 285: Then is expected a higher nutrient concentration in the old AW? For that reason, there is a higher contribution of larger cells?
Conclusions and perspectives
- Ln305-309: This is not a conclusion.
Technical corrections
- Ln 6: Delete the space between “numerous” and “;”.
- Ln 21: Add a comma after (days-weeks).
- Ln 41: Delete parenthesis after altimetry.
- Ln 87: Once the front “is” localized.
- Ln 103: 1164 samples “were” analyzed.
- Ln 122: Maybe light availability is more adequate?
- Ln 129: Please, consider changing investigated by counted.
- Ln 134 and141: … between the time interval t…
- Ln 135-136: … necessary to carry out photosynthesis?
- Ln 157: Is there a typo? The probability of division is not denoted by γ?
- Ln 163-164: You already defined those symbols; it is kind of redundant to do it again.
- Ln 185: [chla]?
- Ln 207: Please, consider using disregarding instead of eliminating.
- Ln 227: Observed biovolume (observed and in situ are kind of repetitive), and predicted biovolume (check also Ln 219).
- Ln 219-220: all species populations in both water masses?
- Ln 222: No comma before the parenthesis.
- Ln 221, 223, 224, 229, 230, 240: l or "bar l"?
- Ln 239-240: The structure of the phytoplankton community.
- Delete the point after the manuscript title and after the abstract.
- Please, use 1 or 2 decimal numbers for all the variables measurements, to keep the format along the manuscript (e.g., Ln 46, 48, 221).
- Please, use the same format for the dates along the manuscript (e.g., Ln 70 and 93).
- Please, revise the use of the word indeed, it is repeated quite often throughout the text.
Figure 1.
- Panel a is very small, impossible to appreciate the information. Moreover, the colormap scale is minuscule and does not indicate the variable (and units) that represents.
- In panel b, it would be interesting to indicate where the sampling events took place.
- In panel c, in my opinion, the clock diagrams are not necessary.
- Legend: The purple box encloses a (b) zoom of the sampling region with overlaid chlorophyll-a concentration (units). ______. The red line represents _____, the dark blue box ______, and the light blue box _______.
- I am not an English native, but I think that the lines and boxes are superimposed to the chl map. The other way around will not allow you to see lines and boxes.
Figure 2.
- As previously indicated, I do not consider this figure of relevance to the main text.
Figure 2.
- Legend: Background colors indicate the two water masses…
Figures 4-6.
- Explain what represents the red line and the background color.
- Correct all the color bars (by figure) to vary all in the same range.
Figure 7.
- A very small figure, with some details difficult to appreciate. Even the legend is difficult to read.
Table 2.
- Indicate also that there is information about the standard deviation.
- Define every variable on its own.
- µ ratio should not be adimensional? The equation and its meaning are already defined in the text.
- Define the acronym PFG.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1008-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Roxane Tzortzis, 25 Nov 2022
Dear referee,
We are grateful to you for accepting to review our manuscript. Thank you very much for your constructive comments and detailed suggestions.
We agree with you on many points and we consider that we can easily meet your requests. We will put particular attention on the reorganize of our text (especially the introduction and discussion) following your suggestions. While waiting for the other reviewer’s comments, we are starting to rework the manuscript to ensure a high quality of our manuscript, in order to obtain the publisher’s acceptance.
King regards,
Roxane Tzortzis
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1008-AC1 - AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Roxane Tzortzis, 13 Feb 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1008', Anonymous Referee #2, 26 Dec 2022
Comments on “The contrasted phytoplankton dynamics across a frontal system in the southwestern Mediterranean Sea”, by Roxane Tzortzis, Andrea M. Doglioli, Stéphanie Barrillon, Anne A. Petrenko, Lloyd Izard, Yuan Zhao, Francesco d’Ovidio, Franck Dumas, and Gérald Gregori.
General Comments
Fine-scale physical processes affect the community structures and productivity of marine plankton at various time scales, but the study to explore them are relatively limited due to technical difficulties. This study aims at untangling this problem by applying the combination of a semi-Lagrangian survey, semi-continuous sampling, and biomathematical models. This approach is novel, and the results obtained from the field survey in the Mediterranean Sea seem to be reasonable. I believe that their approach may open the door to the elucidation of complex physical processes that affect marine microbial ecology, though there are still some problems to be answered.
The first problem is that the objective of the present study (this article) is ambiguous. I understand the final goal of their study, but the results obtained this time are too primitive for that. Based on the results obtained, the authors should reconstruct the objective(s) of the “present” study. The authors should be clear about whether this manuscript concentrated on the development of a new method or aimed to elucidate the effects of the frontal structure observed in the South Mediterranean Sea on phytoplankton structures to some degree. In addition to Introduction and Abstract, the title of the article possibly should be changed in association with that.
The second problem is about the robustness and significance of the estimates of growth and loss rates. When we compare two or more values, the intervals of confidence or possible standard errors are indispensable. However, in the present manuscript, there are no remarks on that. If possible, please add the statistical information.
English grammatical errors are relatively frequent in this manuscript. The authors should have it checked by a native speaker or some editorial service. For example, “Numerical simulation have shown” (L3), “Since several years” (L5), and “a precious information” (L7).
These are general comments on this manuscript. The followings are minor specific comments.
Specific Comments
L71 “satellite SWOT will be launched” is correct.
L74 What do the authors mean by “moderate energy”? Which energy? And in which way is it important in the selection of the present study site?
L91 “have been measured” should be “were measured”.
L109 Was the categorization of phytoplankton populations (functional groups) on cytograms made manually on a somewhat arbitrary criterion or semi-automatedly using something like machine learning? How do the authors guarantee the validity and consistency of the categorization?
L114 Show us the time and space (cruise length) ranges that a single sample covers.
L183 What do the authors mean by “put in evidence”?
L197 “A similar distribution is observed” should be “A similar distribution was observed”. Most of the sentences in this paragraph should be rewritten to past tense.
L204 “In addition to the cell abundances measured along the route of the ship, the phytoplankton diurnal cycle in the two water masses was also reconstructed” This sentence means that the cell abundances were reconstructed first. But, of course, they were not “reconstructed”. Rewrite.
L205 “each water mass” should be “either water mass”?
L207 “This adaptive Lagrangian approach allows sampling of the different functional groups of phytoplankton in each water mass” Different functional groups of phytoplankton in different water masses can be sampled using another approach. I think that this is not the benefit of the adaptive Lagrangian approach. Explain it more appropriately.
L217 “Furthermore, the comparison between the biovolume observed in situ and the biovolume predicted by the model is sound and confirms that the model-predicted cell size distributions well recapitulated the diurnal cycle reflecting either growth or cell division.” Could the authors show any data or figure to support this?
L223 As mentioned in my General Comments, I request the authors to show the interval of confidence or something that can evaluate the robustness of the estimates presented by the present method. This will enable us to compare the values of different phytoplankton groups and water masses on a statistical basis. I can find something like that in Table 2, but I fail to see what it means. When the authors consider the interval, is it significant to discuss the “difference” between the two water masses?
L223 What do the authors mean by a negative loss rate? I think that it should be shown as a positive value if the loss term is significant.
L224 “a low division rate” should be “a low loss rate”?
L225 We are not able to judge whether the difference is “significant”, without an appropriate statistical figure. Did the authors conducted a statistical test? In which way? What was the level of significance?
L244 “largest cells of Synechococcus are dominant” This sounds unnatural. “large cells” or “larger cells” may sound more natural.
L245 “This is due to the fact that the older AW is composed of Synechococcus cells transiting in all the cell cycle stages all day long” That the older AW is composed of Synechococcus cells transiting in all the cell cycle stages all day long is not a “fact”, but a suggestion or speculation derived from the present observation. The authors should be more careful about it.
L250 “The patchiness of a distribution” laterally means how frequently “patches” are observed in that distribution. It does not mean how dispersed it is over a wide range. This misunderstanding may be critical in this discussion.
L257 Avoid using any contraction (including “couldn’t”) in academic writing.
L258 What is an “important biodiversity”? I believe that biodiversity is always important.
L261 Does this mean that the authors should have conducted molecular analysis (e.g. metabarcoding) to elucidate which taxonomic group each flow cytometric population is composed of? Although it requires flow sorting before analysis, is it a possible future plan? Anyway, the authors mention “this hypothesis” here, but I could not find any hypothesis to be tested from this paragraph. Please reconsider the issues to be discussed here and rearrange this paragraph.
L269 The authors have used the term “finescale” and the rough definition appears here for the first time. From which have the authors derived this definition? We often used the term “mesoscale” to show this spatial scale in marine processes (Dickey and Bidigare, 2005, Scientia Marina). If this term was originally defined, the authors should have shown that in Introduction.
L272 What are “many important oceanic processes including biogeochemical cycles and biodiversity”? Unless specified, we cannot judge whether “this suggests the possibility of a close coupling between the finescale forcing and the phytoplankton distribution and growth.” Honestly, I could not understand what the authors are to discuss in this paragraph. In different water masses, phytoplankton community structures are different almost every time. We usually attribute this to different water properties that can affect phytoplankton physiology, including salinity, temperature, turbidity, and nutrient concentrations, rather than to temporal and/or spatial scales of physical processes. I am afraid that there may be a large discrepancy between the final goal of this (overall) study and possible conclusions extracted from the present results.
L284 How much of the two figures (Figs. 7 and A2) was extracted from the original version in Tzortzis et al. (2021)? If it is a copy of the original, the authors should not use it again but should just cite it. And the authors say “in the frontal area upwellings and downwellings occur with different intensities”, but I think that it is not reflected in Fig. 7. From this figure, I could not find any difference in the vertical velocity of the two water masses.
L286 The authors intended to say “spatial”, not “special”? Even if so, the authors did not show “spatial” distribution in this paper. They just showed “temporal variations” in phytoplankton populations while covering two water masses.
L289 “high phytoplankton size” is not an appropriate term.
L290 “picophytoplankton are more abundant in oligotrophic regions” This is a problematic description. First, it is true that the proportion of picophytoplankton in the total phytoplankton biomass becomes higher in the oligotrophic region compared with that in the mesotrophic or eutrophic regions. However, the absolute biomass or abundance of picophytoplankton is not always higher in the oligotrophic area. Generally speaking, Prochlorococcus, which are adapted to ultraoligotrophic environments, are most abundant in oligotrophic waters. However, Synechococcus and eukaryotic picophytoplankton are more abundant in the mesotrophic region. Additionally, within the narrow trophic variation of the oligotrophic regions (typically < 0.1 μM of nitrate), a higher concentration of nutrients is sometimes related to the higher abundance of these picophytoplankton populations. Because the Mediterranean Sea is widely depleted with surface nutrients, discussion is not such a simple one as “picophytoplankton are more abundant in oligotrophic regions.” I admit that this description is true for the study area, as shown in previous studies (Jacquet et al., 2010; Mena et al., 2016) as well, but it is not always related to generalization.
L295 “If in our study we do not have nutrient data” I do not understand the intention. Are the authors unclear whether they have nutrient data themselves?
L305 Here the authors abandoned the trial to estimate the effects of physical processes on irradiance received by phytoplankton, but is it impossible to compare them from the results of vertical velocity in the two water masses?
L309 Although the authors succeeded in estimating intrinsic growth rates of various phytoplankton populations in the two different water masses using novel methodologies, the conclusion remarks here seem too superficial and primitive. The authors did not discuss the validity or robustness of the methodology or did not discuss the interactive connections among physical fields, chemical environments, and phytoplankton growth with quantitative comparisons.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1008-RC2 - AC3: 'Reply on RC2', Roxane Tzortzis, 13 Feb 2023
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