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Laboratory setup to study the polarization properties of size-resolved aerosol particles in exact back-scattering direction
Abstract. In this study, a new laboratory-based experimental setup, the Optical Lab for Lidar Applications (OLALA), was developed and characterized to measure the polarization properties of size-resolved aerosol particles in the exact backscattering direction. The linear depolarization ratio was measured at 532 nm wavelength at a scattering angle of 180 ± 0.2° to be comparable to lidar observations. To realize exact backscattering measurements, a 50:50 beam splitter was used to establish a coaxial transmit-receive optical configuration. Aerosols were generated using an atomizer and size-selected with a differential mobility analyzer, which allowed to measure particle size distributions in the fine mode (mostly below 1 μm). Polystyrene latex (PSL) beads, ammonium sulfate, sodium chloride, Arizona Test Dust (ATD), and Saxonian soil dust were used as test aerosols to evaluate the performance of the system. PSL particles of diameter 1 μm exhibited the lowest depolarization ratio of 0.017 ± 0.002, which agrees with theoretical values for spherical particles. Arizona Test Dust, which is characterized by an irregular particle shape, produced the highest depolarization ratio of 0.168 ± 0.048 for particles having a median diameter of 766 nm. For the non-spherical particles like sodium chloride, ATD, and Saxonian soil dust, an increase in the depolarization ratio with increasing size was observed.
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- RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-4446', Anonymous Referee #1, 29 Sep 2026 reply
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-4446', Anonymous Referee #2, 04 Oct 2026
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Congratulations to the authors on this interesting work. The new setup addresses a key need of the lidar community, and the experimental results are very promising. However, some aspects of the setup, the size characterization and the uncertainty analysis still need to be addressed. My comments are given below.
Major comments:
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The introduction does not clearly show why this setup is needed compared with previous ones. Lines 42–48 read as a list of studies and lack cohesion, and the closely related work of Gómez-Martín et al. (2021) should be discussed. The manuscript is also difficult to follow because Section 2 refers many times to later sections. I suggest describing the setup fully in Section 2 and moving the test samples to Section 3, combined with their results to avoid repetition. The generation of NaCl and ATD aerosols (lines 95 and 101) is vague and repeated, it should be explained once in the methodology part.
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Several refractive indices are not given at the working wavelength of 532 nm (PSL at 495 nm, NaCl at 405 nm), and their use is not justified. Note that “495 nm ± 5 nm” is also given as the diameter of the PSL (lines 80 and 151), so this may be a mix-up. Is the solid-phase value for ammonium sulfate valid for particles “dried” from solution? Please give the complex refractive index in all cases, or state that only the real part is known, and give it for the soil dust. PSL are also quasi-monodisperse rather than “uniform and narrow”.
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Only one PSL size (1 µm) is shown, without its size distribution. The value 0.017 ± 0.002 differs from the Mie value of 0 (the error bars do not reach zero), so it indicates a systematic offset rather than a “very good agreement”. Are the particles perfectly spherical, or is the setup not capturing the depolarization correctly? Measuring several PSL sizes with the same setup would help to quantify this offset, which is comparable to the values of small ammonium sulfate particles (0.026 ± 0.012).
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Wet generation can change the particle properties depending on hygroscopicity, and dust may form aggregates or salt coatings after drying. The dryer in Fig. 1 seems to be a tube with silica beads, which lose efficiency as they saturate. This matters for the long experimental times. How is the relative humidity controlled during an experiment of about 7 h? The generation line is long: how is it cleaned between experiments, and how is the deposition inside the metallic tubes avoided? Was the same concentration used for NaCl and ammonium sulfate? Tests with different concentrations and generation flows for the same aerosol are recommended.
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Is the DMA really needed? At these concentrations there is no real size selection. It mainly removes small particles. Fig. 2 shows that the four fractions of ATD have the same supermicron tail and the surface-weighted median diameters are almost identical (1.1–1.2 µm, Table 1). Differences in depolarization cannot be clearly attributed to size. Therefore, “size-resolved”, in the title and abstract, seems too strong. Number distributions also emphasize small particles, which contribute little to the optical signal. Since the surface is related to the cross section, surface-equivalent distributions should be used in the discussion and in Fig. 6, which now shows only number medians.
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The parameters used (D25%, Dmed, D75%, IQR) are uncommon and mixed in the discussion. More standard descriptors (e.g. the effective radius and variance of Hansen and Travis) would help. The IQR is a width, not an uncertainty, so it should not be used as an error bar in Fig. 6. What are the size limits of the POPS? Does it provide sizes by analyzing the forward scattering?
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Is the illuminated diameter of 2 mm the beam width? How do you control, reduce or account for stray light inside the tube? This is not trivial. A measurement with particle-free air in both valve states would show the detection limit. Have you checked the effects of the half-wave plate on the setup? The beam splitter and mirror M1 are placed before it, so their polarization-dependent transmission and reflection are not included in the Δ90° calibration. These effects should be quantified.
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The measurement times are very long, and the calibration is as long as a measurement. How do you deal with small amounts of aerosol in this case? Are the ambient conditions constant or controlled? Why not use a single calibration and a background measurement procedure?
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What are the systematic criteria to consider the signal stable, and how are the data subsets selected? Fig. 5 does not show clear stability for ATD. The iterative 2σ clipping and the assumption Neff = N/100 should be justified. The uncertainties seem to be only statistical. The contributions of the calibration constant, the systematic effects mentioned above and the reproducibility between repeated experiments should be included.
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In lines 300–304, how do you know that the increase is an effect of shape and not of size? Were the studies mentioned later on the shape of ammonium sulfate made under conditions like yours? Why are no optical microscopy or SEM images of your samples shown? Ammonium sulfate D (0.122) approaches the dust values, which suggests a common cause (e.g. the coarse tail or aggregates), and within the uncertainties the increase with size is not significant for the soil dust. The abstract should be softened accordingly. In Fig. 6, how many experiments were made for each case, and what are the error bars of the red triangles? I recommend showing only the red series of all aerosols in one plot to ease the comparison.
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Lines 337–338 (Miffre et al., 2016) report much higher values and a decrease with size, which is opposite to this manuscript, and their error bars clearly separate the two cases. How do you explain this discrepancy? The NaCl values of Sakai et al. (2010) and Järvinen et al. (2016) are also higher. A comparison using consistent size definitions would be very useful.
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Lines 359–362 need a better explanation. The cubic model gives values that are too low and the irregular hexahedra values that are too high, so the models only bracket the data, and the “good agreement” in lines 327–328 and 399–401 is not supported. The hypothesis in lines 385–386 can be tested with SEM imaging.
Overall, the main points to solve before moving to new wavelengths are:
- Better characterization of the optical setup and refinement of the experimental procedure.
- Reconsidering the aerosol generation and the size characterization.
- Images of the samples showing their morphology.
- Tests with different concentrations and generation flows of the same aerosol.
- Better descriptors of the size distributions and a better treatment of uncertainties.
- More cohesion in the text and less repetition.
Minor comments:
- Lines 27–28: This database collects the results of the CODULAB instrument, so it is that instrument that covers this angular range.
- Lines 53–54: Future work should be mentioned only in the Conclusions and future work section.
- Line 90: This sentence is redundant, since lines 91–92 are enough, although they should be better explained.
- Acronyms should be defined only once (e.g. DMA in lines 86, 117 and 141).
- Fig. 2: Please also show the surface- and volume-equivalent size distributions, as these concepts are used later.
- Lines 166–167: These lines should be moved to the receiver part.
- Lines 185–187: Please rewrite.
- Lines 208–211: Please shorten or split.
- Lines 203–204, 207 and 294: Please delete.
- Lines 289–291: Please delete or rewrite.
- Fig. 5: The shaded areas are in some cases shorter or longer than the plot boundaries, and the calibration texts hide part of the plots.
- Line 266: The first sentence is not needed.
- Lines 282–283 should be moved to lines 266–267.
- Table 2: Please display the sizes of groups A, B, C and D to ease reading.
- Fig. 6: The caption uses both “Table 2” and “Tab. 1”. Please unify the format throughout the text.
- Line 324: A few hundred nanometers of diameter or radius?
- Abstract (lines 8–9), lines 395–396 and 408–409: These conclusions are too optimistic. Please soften them.
- Reference Volten et al. (2001): There is a typo in the second author’s name (Muñoz).
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The manuscript by Semwal et al. deals with a new “laboratory setup to study the polarization properties of size-resolved aerosol particles in exact back-scattering direction”. The topic is interesting and could be of broad interest to the scientific community. However, in its current form, the manuscript lacks precision and justifications, as the authors do not provide sufficient arguments, justifications and explanations. The motivations of this work in regards to the existing literature remain unclear. No justification is given whether the 180° is observed, and the methodology to evaluate the linear depolarization ratio and its uncertainty are unclear. In turn, the reported values of depolarization ratio and precision appear difficult to consider reliable without further justification, especially as the comparison with the literature is insufficiently discussed. I would therefore encourage the authors to question the validity of their approach and the limitations of their work. The manuscript is sometimes hard to read with too many figures and unuseful quantities like percentiles and surface distribution. I detailed below my major and minor comments and questions. I therefore recommend that these aspects be addressed explicitly in the revised manuscript.
Major comments
The comparison with model calculations sounds interesting but the above comments need first to be raised before making such further developments. It then sounds too ambitious for the moment.
Minor comments
The setup is difficult to follow: too many figures, too many schemes and pictures, please gather the information. This is too complex.
Line 54: “the extension of the optical setup to include the wavelengths of 1064 nm and 355 nm is in preparation”. Put that in outlooks, then. I am a bit surprised to recall such simple things.
Caption of Figure 2: The use of the POPS sizer is also questionable as it provides a PSL-optical diameter based on the Mie theory, not applicable to mineral dust then. The authors should at least clearly state this important limitation of their work in the caption of Figure 2.
Line 330 : “Again, ….” : why repeating things ? Please remove to make things clearer.