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Resolving heterogeneous structure and finite scattering in clouds and precipitation with ultra-high-resolution lidar
Abstract. Lidar is as a key observational tool for cloud profiling, enabling measurements near and within clouds at finer spatiotemporal resolutions than many other remote sensors. However, most atmospheric lidar retrievals rely on the volume backscatter lidar equation, which treats the received signal as a volumetric average over the sampled particle field. This approximation assumes that the average particle-backscatter behavior within the sample volume is representative of the underlying ensemble mean. This study shows that this condition is well satisfied only in locally homogeneous, high particle-occupancy regimes, which are not always present in clouds. Ultra-high-resolution lidar observations at 11 cm x 70 μs in range and time reveal sparsely populated and inhomogeneous cloud regions that violate these assumptions. These observations motivate a statistical formulation of volume scattering, showing that the classical volume-average interpretation emerges as the homogeneous, high-occupancy limit of finite-particle scattering. The formulation enables an analytic investigation of how cloud microphysical properties and instrument parameters contribute to measurement variability, demonstrating how sparse scattering within the sample volume can weaken the volumetric interpretation. Finally, two retrieval approaches are demonstrated that leverage ultra-high-resolution lidar data to estimate cloud-relevant parameters, including hydrometeor kinematics and photon flux, at the single-hydrometeor scale. This work clarifies the conditional limits of the volumetric approximation in cloud lidar and motivates new lidar designs and retrieval strategies that exploit individual particle-scattering contributions and their statistical nature.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-3698', Anonymous Referee #1, 31 Aug 2026
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Grant Kirchhoff, 29 Sep 2026
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-3698', Anonymous Referee #2, 18 Sep 2026
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Resolving heterogeneous structure and finite scattering in clouds and precipitation with ultra-high-resolution lidar, Kirchhoff et al.
This was an exciting paper to read. I have highlighted a few specific concerns and recommendations, please see the comments in the attached annotated pdf.
This technology certainly has (perhaps even revolutionary-)potential. I feel that the authors somewhat undersell this! I think they should consider expanding the discussion and conclusion to reflect this. For specifics, please see my comments in the pdf file.
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Grant Kirchhoff, 29 Sep 2026
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Comments on “Resolving heterogeneous structure and finite scattering in clouds and precipitation with ultra-high-resolution lidar”
This study shows that an ultra-high-resolution lidar can reveal discrete, heterogeneous, and finite scattering features in clouds. The authors also develop a statistical framework that connects discrete-particle scattering to the classical volume backscatter lidar equation and identifies the conditions under which the volumetric interpretation is valid. They demonstrate how to estimate hydrometeor fall speed and photon flux at the single-hydrometeor scale. The topic is timely and well within scope of AMT. The ultra-high-resolution lidar observations shown in Figs. 1, 2 and 4 are striking. The manuscript is clearly written and well organized. I only have a few minor comments.