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Cloud environment controls the precipitation response to liquid propane (LP) seeding: an ice nucleation parameterization for LP seeding and idealized simulations
Abstract. This study presents a liquid propane (LP) seeding parameterization in the Weather Research and Forecasting (WRF) model. Two formulas derived from laboratory experiments express ice production as a function of temperature and LP release rate. The seeding impacts on clouds and precipitation are evaluated through idealized two-dimensional simulations spanning two mountain heights, four environmental soundings, and four seeding scenarios. The simulations reveal an environment-dependent microphysical response in which the ice conversion process near the seeding site varies with the natural rain efficiency, from a snow-dominated regime where riming is limited to a riming-dominated regime in efficient-rain conditions. The largest enhancement occurs in the low mountain, where supercooled liquid water (SLW) persists and natural precipitation remains weak. Seeding impacts in the high mountain are weaker, with a mild reduction in total precipitation in the case where natural rain process is the most efficient. Snow enhancement dominates the net total precipitation increase. Compared with AgI seeding in prior idealized studies, LP is weaker in both magnitude and spatial extent because LP-generated ice requires a continuous SLW cloud layer for dispersion from the surface to clouds. Nevertheless, LP is effective at temperatures warmer than -6 °C where AgI is less active, suggesting complementary roles of the two seeding agents. These simulations provide a physical basis for understanding LP seeding responses and for future three-dimensional real-case simulations, field evaluation, and direct comparison with AgI seeding simulations.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-3289', Anonymous Referee #1, 10 Aug 2026
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-3289', Anonymous Referee #2, 20 Aug 2026
This study develops a liquid propane (LP) seeding parameterization in WRF and evaluates its impacts on cloud microphysics and precipitation using idealized two-dimensional orographic cloud simulation. The main novelty of the work is to provide a numerical framework for representing LP-induced ice production, which has received much less attention than AgI seeding. A series of experiments was conducted to examine the dependence of the seeding response on mountain height, environmental factors, and LP release rate. The simulations showed that the largest precipitation enhancement occurs in clouds with persistent supercooled liquid water and weak natural precipitation. In contrast, when the natural precipitation process is efficient, LP seeding produces a weak response. Overall, the study provides a useful first step in modeling LP seeding. The manuscript is well prepared. However, because the parameterization is the central methodological contribution of this work, some of my concerns should be addressed before this work can be considered for publication.
- The proposed parameterization assumes that Ni depends solely on temperature. However, SLW and cloud droplet number concentration and size distribution could play important roles in Ni. I understand that the available observational data may not be sufficient to formulate these dependences. However, the manuscript should discuss more clearly the uncertainty associated with neglecting these factors, the assumptions involved in applying the HV73 or K82 to different cloud conditions. And if possible, how the SLW and droplet conditions in the HV72 and K82 compare with the simulation here.
- The parameterization introduces LP seeding ice into a 2-km WRF grid cell, which I think is a reasonable approach. However, I am concerned about the potential effects of such substantial dilution of the initial ice concentration and the subsequent microphysics, as the effective cooling radius is only about 22 inches (~0.5 m). LES (e.g., Xue et al., 2014) may provide useful insight into this issue, but this may be beyond the scope of this work. Instead, I suggest a sensitivity analysis using finer grid resolutions (e.g., 1km or 500m). or even simply, testing the same total generated ice in one grid cell vs several neighboring cells.
- The initial ice mass is set to 10-12 kg. however, I noticed that K82 reported that the ice crystals after LP seeding were mostly spherical with diameters ranging from 0.3–3 µm, with a mean of 1.5 µm. A simple calculation gives an ice mass of 10-15 kg. I suggest evaluating the sensitivity to this assumption. If it is not feasible, the authors should at least discuss this discrepancy and its potential impacts on the simulation.
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- Line 133, please confirm the unit of Ni, per second per kilogram?
- Line 267, the figure reference seems wrong, Figure 9?
- Line 271, “It is also shown that…” I cannot understand this sentence. And the following sentence “In Warm…leading…” also needs to be rewritten.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2026-3289-RC2
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