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Temporal Stratification in Climate Science: Integrating Geological and Instrumental Perspectives Across Temporal Scales
Abstract. This study examines the concept of climate within a multiscale Earth-system perspective, with particular attention to the coexistence of different temporal frameworks across disciplines. In meteorology, climate is commonly defined through statistical properties of atmospheric variables over multi-decadal intervals, whereas geological and paleoclimatic records document long-term climatic states emerging over millennial to multimillion-year timescales. This divergence in temporal scope can lead to interpretive ambiguities when phenomena operating at different scales are considered within a single conceptual framework. Drawing on evidence from geology, paleoclimatology, astronomy, and atmospheric science, this paper proposes a hierarchical temporal structure distinguishing meteorological variability (years to decades), sub-climatic oscillations (centuries), and long-term climatic regimes (millennia and longer). Within this framework, large-scale boundary conditions—such as orbital dynamics, tectonic configurations, and ocean circulation—govern the evolution of long-term climate states, while radiative agents and feedback processes operate primarily within shorter temporal domains. This multiscale perspective does not challenge the physical basis of radiative forcing or contemporary observations, but situates them within a broader temporal architecture of the Earth system. By integrating instrumental records with paleoclimate archives, the proposed framework aims to enhance conceptual clarity and improve the interpretation of climate variability across scales. This approach provides a basis for reconciling disciplinary definitions and for more consistent interpretation of climate dynamics in both short-term and long-term contexts.
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2960', Giacomo Medici, 15 Jun 2026
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AC3: 'Reply on CC1', Paul Mazza, 22 Jun 2026
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I thank Prof. Medici for his positive assessment of the manuscript and for his constructive suggestions.
In response to his comments, the manuscript has been revised in several respects.
Additional references concerning the influence of paleoclimate variability on sedimentary records, isotope archives, and fossil assemblages have been incorporated, including the studies suggested by the commenter. The terminology referring to geological-scale climate change has been clarified to better distinguish long-term climatic regime changes documented in geological records from shorter-term atmospheric variability.
The methodological section has been expanded to clarify the literature-selection strategy adopted in this study. The manuscript now explicitly states that the review is a structured narrative synthesis aimed at developing a conceptual framework rather than a formal systematic review, and that several hundred potentially relevant publications were examined through targeted searches in major bibliographic databases.
The section on climate modeling has been revised to specify the range of model types considered, including conceptual models, intermediate-complexity models, General Circulation Models (GCMs), and Earth System Models (ESMs). The discussion of policy-relevant climate assessments has also been expanded through the inclusion of representative examples.
Regarding the figures, I appreciate the observations concerning readability and graphical presentation. The figures are ready to be submitted as separate high-resolution files in accordance with the journal guidelines. Their appearance in the discussion-paper PDF is partly constrained by the formatting and scaling applied during preprint generation. Should the manuscript proceed further in the review process, the original high-resolution figure files will be available for production and final typesetting.
I am grateful for these comments, which have helped improve the clarity and presentation of the manuscript.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2026-2960-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on CC1', Paul Mazza, 22 Jun 2026
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CC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2960', Mikhail Verbitsky, 16 Jun 2026
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While the task of creating the temporal stratification in climate science is indeed noble, the previous attempts of doing that were not successful, because they were based on the assumptions that later have been challenged by the physical evidence. I am afraid that this paper, may share the same fate. More specifically,
- In 1989, Barry Saltzman at the International Conference on Modelling of Global Climate Change and Variability in Hamburg presented the approach that later was called a hypothesis of separation of timescales (Saltzman, 1990). The essence of the approach was to limit the number of variables only by those that operate on the same timescale as the forcing and essentially to disregard other variables. The approach was questioned when Huybers and Curry (2006) demonstrated that the spectrum of variability is continuous and therefore the orbital, millennial, and centennial timescales cannot be considered separately. Also, more recently, Verbitsky et al (2019) demonstrated that the ice-flow physics can effectively transmit centennial and millennial variations into 100-kyr ice-age dynamics.
I think this paper should discuss how the proposed approach is different from the Saltzman’s hypothesis.
- The physical phenomenon that this paper completely ignores is the memory of the climate system in general, and, more specifically, the phenomenon of orbitally enabled sensitivity to initial values (Verbitsky and Volobuev, 2025, Verbitsky and Omta, 2026). If the initial values become governing parameters, then the fast variables that create these initial values are fundamentally as important as slow variables. This would invalidate the entire proposed framework.
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Huybers, P. and Curry, W.: Links between annual, Milankovitch and continuum temperature variability, Nature, 441, 329–332, https://doi.org/10.1038/nature04745, 2006.
Saltzman, B.: Three basic problems of paleoclimatic modeling: A personal perspective and review, Clim. Dynam., 5, 67–78, 1990.
Verbitsky, M. Y. and Omta, A. W.: Rapid communication: Middle Pleistocene Transition as a phenomenon of orbitally enabled sensitivity to initial values, Clim. Past, 22, 17–24, https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-22-17-2026, 2026.
Verbitsky, M. Y. and Volobuev, D.: Milankovitch theory “as an initial value problem”: Implications of the long memory of ice advection, Earth Syst. Dynam., 16, 1989–2002, https://doi.org/10.5194/esd-16-1989-2025, 2025.
Verbitsky, M. Y., Crucifix, M., and Volobuev, D. M.: ESD Ideas: Propagation of high-frequency forcing to ice age dynamics, Earth Syst. Dynam., 10, 257–260, https://doi.org/10.5194/esd-10-257-2019, 2019.
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AC1: 'Reply on CC2', Paul Mazza, 17 Jun 2026
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Thank you.
You identified an important conceptual issue.
I have revised the manuscript accordingly.
A new subsection ("Temporal stratification versus dynamical timescale separation") has been added, discussing Saltzman (1990), Huybers and Curry (2006), and recent work by Verbitsky and colleagues.
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AC2: 'Reply on CC2', Paul Mazza, 17 Jun 2026
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I wish to thank Dr. Verbitsky once again for his thoughtful and constructive comment. I would like to add what follows.
I agree that the distinction between temporal stratification and dynamical timescale separation required further clarification. As correctly noted, previous approaches based on explicit separation of variables according to characteristic timescales have been challenged by evidence for spectral continuity, long-memory processes, and cross-scale interactions within the climate system (e.g., Huybers and Curry, 2006; Verbitsky et al., 2019).
To address this important point, the manuscript has been revised by adding a new subsection entitled “Temporal stratification versus dynamical timescale separation”. In this section, I discuss Saltzman’s (1990) framework, the evidence for continuity across climatic frequencies, and recent work on climate-system memory and orbitally enabled sensitivity to initial values (Verbitsky and Volobuev, 2025; Verbitsky and Omta, 2026).
I emphasize that the temporal stratification proposed in my study is intended as a conceptual and interpretative framework rather than a claim of strict dynamical independence among temporal domains. Cross-scale interactions, memory effects, nonlinear feedbacks, and state dependence are considered fully compatible with the proposed hierarchy. The purpose of the framework is therefore to provide a structured interpretation of climate variability across temporal domains rather than to isolate climatic processes into independent compartments.
I am grateful for this comment, which helped clarify an important aspect of the manuscript and improve its theoretical formulation.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2026-2960-AC2
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General comments
Very good review paper on paleoclimate. Follow my specific comments to improve the manuscript.
Specific comments
Line 34. “Paleoclimatic archives…cycles”. Insert relevant literature on the impact of paleoclimate variation on sediment structures, isotope records, and fossil assemblages. See below:
- Houben, A,J., van Mourik, C.A., Montanari, A., Coccioni, R., Brinkhuis. H. 2012. The Eocene–Oligocene transition: changes in sea level, temperature or both? Palaeogeogr Palaeoclimat Palaeoecol 335:75–83
- Medici, G., Marianelli, D., Cornacchia, I., Gori, F. and Brandano, M. 2026. Multi-disciplinary approach to paleokarst occurrence in the Eocene–Oligocene succession of the Apulia Carbonate Platform (Salento, Italy). Facies, 72(2).
Line 69. “geological climate change” is unclear. Do you mean “variations in the sedimentary record”?
Line 70. How many papers have you extracted from the Web of Sciences, Scopus, and Google Scholar databases?
Line 289. “climate models”. Conceptual, numerical or both? Please, be more specific.
Line 400. “Policy-relevant climate assessments”. Such as…I suggest bringing three or four examples.
Figures
Only two figures? Do you need a table?
Figure 1. I can see different temporal scales. Is 25,772 years long term?
Figure 1. Provide more detail in the caption.
Figure 1. Make the figure larger.
Figure 1. Rise the number of dpi, and increase the font size of the words.
Figure 2. Rise the number of dpi also for this figure.
Figure 2. Increase the font size as for Figure 1.