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Turbulence over the Atlantic ITCZ - Is the upper troposphere above doldrums less turbulent?
Abstract. Flight level wind measurements from the German research aircraft HALO are used to investigate the turbulence in the upper troposphere over the inter-tropical convergence zone (ITCZ) of the eastern and western tropical Atlantic. During the 2024 PERCUSION mission, 23 research flights were conducted to investigate mesoscale drivers of the inner life cycle of the ITCZ and to provide a rich data set for validating EarthCARE satellite measurements. From these flights, 10 Hz BAHAMAS measurements along 183 constant altitude legs were extracted and analyzed to characterize the turbulence over the tropical Atlantic. A key focus was on investigating whether there is indeed a link between the recently discovered subsidence over the doldrums - calm regions within the ITCZ - and reduced turbulence activity in the upper troposphere. The ECMWF's meteorological analyses of 89 circular flight legs identified 13 doldrums in which the area-averaged wind speed at a height of 10 m was less than 3 m s-1. These regions were further characterized by a column-integrated divergence, i.e. by mass spreading out above the doldrums.
The turbulence observed during the PERCUSION mission was generally stronger than that recorded in previous HALO measurements in the stratosphere, but was moderate in absolute terms; strong turbulence events remained rare. Turbulence intensity was higher in the eastern Atlantic (near Cape Verde) and closer to the equator, often associated with large convective systems. The relationship between the observed turbulent kinetic energy (TKE) and the energy dissipation rate ε matches the theoretical expectations ε ∝ TKE3/2, allowing estimates of the outer scale of turbulence. There is a preliminary, weak indication that upper-tropospheric turbulence is indeed reduced above the doldrums. The relationship is not exclusive; low-level calms do not always guarantee reduced upper-level turbulence, and significant atmospheric variability exists. While the thermal stability in the upper troposphere above the doldrums is comparable to that of all circular flight legs, ECMWF's meteorological analyses indicate a reduction of vertical shear above the doldrums. This tentative link requires further investigation: High-resolution modeling or additional data are needed for robust conclusions.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2628', Anonymous Referee #1, 10 Jul 2026
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2026/egusphere-2026-2628/egusphere-2026-2628-RC1-supplement.pdfCitation: https://doi.org/
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andreas Dörnbrack, 18 Aug 2026
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2026/egusphere-2026-2628/egusphere-2026-2628-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andreas Dörnbrack, 18 Aug 2026
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2628', Anonymous Referee #2, 12 Jul 2026
Comments to the paper “Turbulence over the Atlantic ITCZ - Is the upper troposphere abovedoldrums less turbulent? By Dornbrack et al.
This study investigates atmospheric turbulence over the Atlantic ITCZ using high-frequency airborne measurements collected by the German research aircraft HALO during the PERCUSION campaign in summer 2024. Combined with meteorological data from the ECMWF IFS, the manuscript aims to address the following two questions: (i) Are doldrums associated with a thermally stabilized, less turbulent upper troposphere? and (ii) How much does the turbulence observed in the tropical upper troposphere during PERCUSION differ from measurements taken by the same airborne platform in the lower stratosphere during SOUTHTRAC (Rapp et al. 2021)? Although the authors' thorough analysis and efforts are evident, the current manuscript lacks a sharp scientific focus, primarily because it attempts to address two disparate subjects that do not necessarily fit well together. Therefore, I cannot accept the current manuscript for a full scientific review.
Regarding the first scientific question—which appears to be the main focus, as indicated by the title "Turbulence over the Atlantic ITCZ-Is the upper troposphere above doldrums less tuabulence?"—I am not fully convinced of its scientific merit. Given the diverse sources of atmospheric turbulence in the tropical upper troposphere—such as various instabilities (e.g., inertial, Kelvin-Helmholtz, and convective instabilities) associated with convective outflow (Kim et al. 2014; Lee et al. 2025) and the breaking of convective gravity waves (Lane et al. 2003; Kim et al. 2019)—attempting to derive a simple correlation between surface wind speed and upper-tropospheric turbulence based solely on convergence/divergence patterns within the same horizontal area is physically problematic. When upper-tropospheric turbulence is driven by cloud outflow and convective gravity waves, it can manifest far from the primary convective source region. Furthermore, as the authors themselves note, the findings on this topic remain "preliminary and need further validation for robust conclusions."
Therefore, I strongly suggest narrowing the scope of the manuscript by focusing exclusively on the second scientific question. Removing the first question would significantly enhance the clarity and impact of the paper. For the second question, the characteristics of the turbulence observed during the PERCUSION campaign are well presented, and the comparison with the SOUTHTRAC dataset is highly reasonable. Once the manuscript is restructured to focus on this single compelling topic, I will review the scientific content in greater detail.
References
Kim, J.-H., Chun, H.-Y., Sharman, R. D., & Trier, S. B. (2014). The role of vertical shear on aviation turbulence within cirrus bands of a simulated western Pacific cyclone. Monthly Weather Review, 142(8), 2794–2813.
Kim, S.-H., Chun, H.-Y., Sharman, R. D., & Trier, S. B. (2019). Development of near‐cloud turbulence diagnostics based on a convective gravity wave drag parameterization. Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology, 58(8), 1725–1750.
Lane, T. P., Sharman, R. D., Clark, T. L., & Hsu, H.-M. (2003). An investigation of turbulence generation mechanisms above deep convection. Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, 60(10), 1297–1321.
Lee, J. H., Kim, J.-H., Trier, S. B., Sharman, R. D., & Doyle, J. D. (2025). Generation mechanisms of Near-Cloud Turbulence events in the upper-level outflow of tropical cyclone Hagibis. Monthly Weather Review, 153(3), 521–542.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2026-2628-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Andreas Dörnbrack, 18 Aug 2026
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2026/egusphere-2026-2628/egusphere-2026-2628-AC2-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Andreas Dörnbrack, 18 Aug 2026
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EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2628', Bianca Adler, 20 Jul 2026
Dear Andreas Dörnbrack and co-authors,
As you can see, two reviewers have completed their assessment of your manuscript. They both find that the manuscript currently addresses two separate research questions that are not clearly connected and recommend that the scientific scope of the manuscript needs to be narrowed by focusing on one of the two research questions. As evident from the contrasting reviews, each topic has scientific value, but also issues, and perhaps those need to be addressed with two separate papers.
Please detail in your response to the reviewers, how you intend to address their comments and how you envision to sharpen the focus of the revised manuscript.
I am looking forward to receiving your response.
Best wishes,
Bianca Adler
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2026-2628-EC1 -
AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Andreas Dörnbrack, 18 Aug 2026
Hi Bianca,
I've uploaded the responses to both reviewer's comments as well as the new files of the revised version.
All the best
Andreas
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2026-2628-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Andreas Dörnbrack, 18 Aug 2026
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