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Ensemble Generation for Seamless Prediction in the GEOS-S2S Forecast System
Abstract. Improving the quality of short term climate (subseasonal to seasonal) forecasts depends on improving both the quality of the forecast model and the quality of the initial conditions, with the latter typically consisting of an ensemble of states that are equally likely estimates of the true initial state. In practice, due to our limited knowledge of the true initial errors, an alternative goal is to insure that the initial perturbations project onto the relevant fastest growing modes. With that goal in mind, we present here a relatively simple to implement, yet effective, strategy for generating initial perturbations that are particularly relevant to the short-term climate prediction problem. The strategy, referred to as the Synchronized Multiple Time-lagged (SMT) approach, uses the information about the temporal coherence of nearby analysis states to generate multiple perturbations that are imposed at a specified initial time, with pre-specified amplitudes determined as a fraction of the climatological variance. We show that the perturbations so generated consist of a rich array of physically realistic atmosphere and ocean modes of variability that appear to have some correspondence with the fastest growing modes determined from a singular value decomposition of the model’s linear propagator. Furthermore, recognizing the conflicting goals of increasing ensemble size and increasing model complexity, we outline a strategy for reducing, after a specified lead time, an initially large forecast ensemble, which involves performing a stratified sampling of the early larger ensemble in a way that accounts for the emerging directions of error growth.
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Status: closed (peer review stopped)
- RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-1340', Anonymous Referee #1, 27 Jun 2026
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-1340', Anonymous Referee #2, 13 Jul 2026
This study presents the Synchronized Multiple Time-lagged (SMT) approach to reduce the large forecast ensemble after a specified lead time, which involves performing a stratified sampling of the early larger ensemble in a way that accounts for the emerging directions of error growth. This is quite interesting and very useful for guiding the efficiency of ensemble forecast experiments in both research and operational practices. However, the authors emphasize that it is a follow-up study of Schubert et al. (2019), and it lacks a clear justification for the specific contribution of this work. It only tests the method applied to Niño3.4 SST, and remains to address the generalizability of this method when applied across/representative different latitude belts or large-scale weather teleconnection signals. Lastly, even though it is understood that the authors could only test/focus on the GEOS-S2S system by comparing GEOS-S2S-2 and GEOS-S2S-3 due to some logistical constraints, a more detailed analysis of the observed differences between both GEOS-S2S versions is lacking, which is important to address for the contribution of this study. Therefore, a major revision is recommended before considering publication in Geoscientific Model Development. More details can be found in the attachment.
Status: closed (peer review stopped)
- RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-1340', Anonymous Referee #1, 27 Jun 2026
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-1340', Anonymous Referee #2, 13 Jul 2026
This study presents the Synchronized Multiple Time-lagged (SMT) approach to reduce the large forecast ensemble after a specified lead time, which involves performing a stratified sampling of the early larger ensemble in a way that accounts for the emerging directions of error growth. This is quite interesting and very useful for guiding the efficiency of ensemble forecast experiments in both research and operational practices. However, the authors emphasize that it is a follow-up study of Schubert et al. (2019), and it lacks a clear justification for the specific contribution of this work. It only tests the method applied to Niño3.4 SST, and remains to address the generalizability of this method when applied across/representative different latitude belts or large-scale weather teleconnection signals. Lastly, even though it is understood that the authors could only test/focus on the GEOS-S2S system by comparing GEOS-S2S-2 and GEOS-S2S-3 due to some logistical constraints, a more detailed analysis of the observed differences between both GEOS-S2S versions is lacking, which is important to address for the contribution of this study. Therefore, a major revision is recommended before considering publication in Geoscientific Model Development. More details can be found in the attachment.
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