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Mobility of dry granular debris flows over erodible beds: Experimental insights into the influence of flow–bed inertia
Abstract. Debris-flow mobility responds sensitively to erosion and entrainment that exchange mass and momentum across the flow-bed interface. Yet, the mechanical controls that cause some debris flows to accelerate during erosion while others decelerate are insufficiently understood. Recent theory attributes this divergent behavior to inertial contrasts between the moving mass and the erodible bed, suggesting that incorporating inertially weaker, neutral, or stronger substrate into the flow enhances, maintains, or reduces flow mobility, respectively. Here, we conducted flume experiments and surface-based measurements to assess how the inertia of the erodible bed affects the flow kinematics, erosion, entrainment, and runout of dry granular single-phase debris flows. We systematically imposed inertial contrasts by releasing a quartz slide of constant solid density over erodible beds with lower, equal, and higher solid densities representing inertially weak, neutral, and strong scenarios, and compare these alongside a reference case without erosion. Each scenario was repeated for fine sand and a sand-gravel mixture. Our results reveal consistent behavior across both particle-size distributions. Debris flows over low-density beds exhibit higher apparent mean erosion rates, faster flow fronts before deposition, and longer runout lengths, whereas flows over equal- and high-density beds evolve similarly, with shallower erosion, slower flow fronts, and shorter, more compact deposits. Relative to the neutral scenario, the entrainment of low-density material thus appears to enhance debris-flow mobility, while incorporating high-density material does not lead to the anticipated mobility loss. This asymmetric response suggests that solid-density contrasts alone are insufficient to explain the observed trends under the experimental conditions considered here. Differences in particle shape and internal friction likely also contribute. Whereas the low-density bed comprises more spherical particles with a lower friction angle facilitating entrainment, the equal- and high-density beds consist of angular particles with similar and higher internal friction angles, leading apparently to similar resistance to erosion despite their divergent densities. However, resolving whether more subtle differences persist between the inertial scenarios will require direct observations at the flow-bed interface to capture grain-scale dynamics and temporal variability in erosion intensity.
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- CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-1235', Lonneke Roelofs, 26 Mar 2026 reply
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CC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-1235', Hervé Vicari, 30 Apr 2026
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Please find my comments attached.
Recommendation to the Editor: The manuscript by Wetterauer et al. presents an interesting experimental dataset on erosion of dry granular flows over beds of differing densities. The experiments themselves appear valuable. However, the manuscript interprets the results within the framework of Pudasaini and Krautblatter (2021), which Issler et al. (2024, Nature Communications, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48605-6) showed to be incorrectly derived and to violate momentum and energy conservation. In my attached review, I explain why this mechanical interpretation is not valid.
My concern is not merely academic. If Pudasaini and Krautblatter (2021) were retained in a journal such as NHESS as a valid mechanistic basis for interpreting erosion experiments, this could further legitimize and encourage its implementation and use in numerical tools for landslide simulation and hazard mapping. Because the model is mechanically incorrect, such use could lead to erroneous predictions, with potentially serious consequences for hazard assessment and public safety.
For this reason, I do not believe that the manuscript can be accepted in its current form. That said, I do believe the experimental results could still form the basis of a useful contribution if the authors were to remove reliance on the Pudasaini and Krautblatter model from their interpretative framework. The manuscript could then be reconsidered on the basis of the dataset and a revised physical interpretation.
Given the history of this issue, and because I am not an official referee for this manuscript and may not be given the opportunity to comment on any eventual reply, I urge the Editor to assess with particular caution any response to my comments that argues in favor of the validity of the Pudasaini and Krautblatter model. The invalidity of that model was already examined during the review of our Matters Arising paper (Issler et al., 2024). If the Editor wishes to seek an additional opinion, I would strongly recommend consulting a reviewer with recognized expertise in continuum mechanics and depth-averaged modeling of geophysical mass flows, for example Richard M. Iverson (USGS), Nico Gray (University of Manchester), Dieter Issler (NGI), Peter Gauer (NGI), Johan Gaume (ETHZ), Anne Mangeney (IPGP), Thierry Faug (INRAE), or Christophe Ancey (EPFL).
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-1235', Anonymous Referee #1, 10 May 2026
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This study addresses an important and timely question in debris flow research, namely, how the inertial contrast between a flowing mass and an erodible bed influences erosion, entrainment, and runout mobility. The experimental approach is systematic and well-conceived in its basic structure, testing three inertial scenarios alongside a reference case and repeating each experiment three times to assess reproducibility. The finding that solid density contrast alone is insufficient to explain observed mobility patterns, and that particle shape and internal friction play important and previously underappreciated roles, is a scientifically valuable contribution that deserves attention from the debris flow and granular flow communities.
Despite my comments, the reviewer recognizes the originality and potential value of this experimental contribution. With careful revision addressing the scientific, structural, and linguistic issues outlined in the specific comments in the attached PDF, this manuscript could make a meaningful contribution to the understanding of erosion-driven debris flow mobility.
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-1235', Hervé Vicari, 21 May 2026
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Following my community comment (CC2), I was invited to serve as an official reviewer of this manuscript. Please find my review attached. I recommend major revisions, followed by an additional round of review.
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This is very interesting work. I really appreciate the careful comparison between the experimental trends presented in the paper and the trends predicted by models. After reading point (ii) in your conclusion I am trying to figure out if solid density would be able to explain all observed mobility and runout patterns if the grain shape in your inertially weak scenarios would be similar to those in the inertially neutral and strong scenarios.