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Investigating firn structure and density in the accumulation area of Aletsch Glacier using Ground Penetrating Radar
Abstract. The role of firn structure and density in geodetic glacier mass balance estimation has been constrained, with studies in alpine conditions primarily relying on models. Our research focuses on understanding firn structures and firn density-depth profiles in the Aletsch Glacier's accumulation area using field methods, Ground-Penetrating Radar (GPR) as a geophysical tool, glaciological methods, and firn compaction models. We aim to characterize the firn structure and determine the spatial firn density-depth profiles by estimating electromagnetic wave velocities. Identifying reflection hyperbolae via semblance analysis from common midpoint (CMP) data sets are used for this purpose. Three density-depth profiles, up to 35 m depth, were obtained at various locations within the accumulation area. The Ligtenberg (LIG) and Kuipers Munnekee (KM) firn compaction models were selected from the community firn models (CFM) to evaluate how well the model results matched the observations. These models were adjusted to fit the estimated 1-D firn density profiles from CMP gathered by optimising model coefficients based on regional climatic conditions.
We developed a method to estimate accumulation history by chronologically identifying GPR-derived internal reflection horizons (IRHs) as annual firn layers, validated against estimated snow water equivalent (SWE) from long-term stake measurements. Our findings emphasize the importance of direct measurements, such as snow cores, firn cores, and isotope samples, in identifying the previous summer horizon. We investigated the spatial firn density distribution and the glacier's accumulation history over the past 12 years using a 1.8 km GPR transect, supported by CMP-derived density-depth profiles. Our study underscores the potential of integrating GPR, direct measurements, and firn compaction models in monitoring firn structures and density, ultimately enhancing glacier mass balance estimation in future research.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-615', Adam Booth, 14 Apr 2025
Dear authors,
Please see the attached supplement for comment on your paper. I have some concerns over the velocity analysis of the GPR data, hence my review focuses exclusively on these aspects as I don't think it's possible to comment on the match to climate models until these issues are resolved.
Best regards,
Adam Booth
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Akash Patil, 21 May 2025
We appreciate your time and effort in reviewing our manuscript. We acknowledge your suggestions and feedback concerning using the Dix equation to estimate the interval velocity from the semblance-based Vrms velocity. It helped us to improve our results and enhanced our interpretation of firn physical properties. Provided references helped us better understand the uncertainties of Vrms picking in interval velocity estimations.
Following your suggestions, we have updated all the remaining analyses, results, figures, and corresponding text within the manuscript, which will be uploaded soon.
Below we have attached our response to your comments.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Akash Patil, 21 May 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-615', Michael Zemp, 21 May 2025
Review of manuscript by Akash M. Patil and colleagues entitled “Investigating firn structure and density in the accumulation area of Aletsch Glacier using Ground Penetrating Radar” (https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-615).
Summary
Akash Patil and colleagues investigated the snow and firn structure of Grosser Aletschergletscher, Switzerland, based on snow pits, firn cores, Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR), and Common Mid-Point (CMP) measurements from field campaigns carried out between February and May 2024. They used these field observations and firn compaction models to reconstruct the accumulation history over the past 12 years and validated (or compared) their results against snow water equivalents from a long-term glaciological point mass-balance program run by Glacier Monitoring Switzerland.Evaluation
Akash Patil and colleagues have conducted extensive fieldwork and investigated their observations in combination with process understanding, firn modelling, and existing measurements. This combination of methods provides new insights into the processes of snow/firn accumulation and densification in the accumulation zone of the largest Alpine glacier, which is changing from a dry zone to a percolation zone under current climatic conditions. The manuscript presents a valuable and very interesting study that fits well into the scope of The Cryosphere. Still, major revisions are required to improve the structure and readability of its text and figures, and to elaborate and discuss its key findings better. As such, it would be nice to add a direct comparison of their results from 2024 with an earlier survey from 2021 by Bannwart et al. (2024). My feedback is summarized as general and specific remarks outlined in the attached PDF file.-
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Akash Patil, 21 May 2025
We appreciate your time and effort in reviewing our manuscript. We acknowledge your suggestions and feedback concerning using the Dix equation to estimate the interval velocity from the semblance-based Vrms velocity. It helped us to improve our results and enhanced our interpretation of firn physical properties. Provided references helped us better understand the uncertainties of Vrms picking in interval velocity estimations.
Following your suggestions, we have updated all the remaining analyses, results, figures, and corresponding text within the manuscript, which will be uploaded soon.
Below we have attached our response to your comments.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Akash Patil, 23 Jun 2025
Dear Prof. Dr. Michael Zemp,
Thank you for your detailed and thorough assessment of our manuscript. We appreciate the time and effort you took to review each line of our manuscript, which helped us to improve the structure and detailing of the manuscript. We have addressed your suggestions and have detailed the corresponding changes in response to each specific comment in the attached PDF.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Akash Patil, 21 May 2025
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-615', Adam Booth, 14 Apr 2025
Dear authors,
Please see the attached supplement for comment on your paper. I have some concerns over the velocity analysis of the GPR data, hence my review focuses exclusively on these aspects as I don't think it's possible to comment on the match to climate models until these issues are resolved.
Best regards,
Adam Booth
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Akash Patil, 21 May 2025
We appreciate your time and effort in reviewing our manuscript. We acknowledge your suggestions and feedback concerning using the Dix equation to estimate the interval velocity from the semblance-based Vrms velocity. It helped us to improve our results and enhanced our interpretation of firn physical properties. Provided references helped us better understand the uncertainties of Vrms picking in interval velocity estimations.
Following your suggestions, we have updated all the remaining analyses, results, figures, and corresponding text within the manuscript, which will be uploaded soon.
Below we have attached our response to your comments.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Akash Patil, 21 May 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-615', Michael Zemp, 21 May 2025
Review of manuscript by Akash M. Patil and colleagues entitled “Investigating firn structure and density in the accumulation area of Aletsch Glacier using Ground Penetrating Radar” (https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-615).
Summary
Akash Patil and colleagues investigated the snow and firn structure of Grosser Aletschergletscher, Switzerland, based on snow pits, firn cores, Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR), and Common Mid-Point (CMP) measurements from field campaigns carried out between February and May 2024. They used these field observations and firn compaction models to reconstruct the accumulation history over the past 12 years and validated (or compared) their results against snow water equivalents from a long-term glaciological point mass-balance program run by Glacier Monitoring Switzerland.Evaluation
Akash Patil and colleagues have conducted extensive fieldwork and investigated their observations in combination with process understanding, firn modelling, and existing measurements. This combination of methods provides new insights into the processes of snow/firn accumulation and densification in the accumulation zone of the largest Alpine glacier, which is changing from a dry zone to a percolation zone under current climatic conditions. The manuscript presents a valuable and very interesting study that fits well into the scope of The Cryosphere. Still, major revisions are required to improve the structure and readability of its text and figures, and to elaborate and discuss its key findings better. As such, it would be nice to add a direct comparison of their results from 2024 with an earlier survey from 2021 by Bannwart et al. (2024). My feedback is summarized as general and specific remarks outlined in the attached PDF file.-
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Akash Patil, 21 May 2025
We appreciate your time and effort in reviewing our manuscript. We acknowledge your suggestions and feedback concerning using the Dix equation to estimate the interval velocity from the semblance-based Vrms velocity. It helped us to improve our results and enhanced our interpretation of firn physical properties. Provided references helped us better understand the uncertainties of Vrms picking in interval velocity estimations.
Following your suggestions, we have updated all the remaining analyses, results, figures, and corresponding text within the manuscript, which will be uploaded soon.
Below we have attached our response to your comments.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Akash Patil, 23 Jun 2025
Dear Prof. Dr. Michael Zemp,
Thank you for your detailed and thorough assessment of our manuscript. We appreciate the time and effort you took to review each line of our manuscript, which helped us to improve the structure and detailing of the manuscript. We have addressed your suggestions and have detailed the corresponding changes in response to each specific comment in the attached PDF.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Akash Patil, 21 May 2025
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