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Concentration and size distribution of black carbon over the ablation area of Potanin glacier: Enrichment ability of surface weathering granular ice of water-insoluble particles with snow/ice melting
Abstract. Light-absorbing particles on surface ice in ablation areas can accelerate glacier melting and shrinkage. A Single Soot Particle Photometer was used to measure black carbon (BC) mass concentrations (MBC) in the ablation area of Potanin Glacier, Mongolia during summer. Surface-ice MBC values (42–555 ng g-¹) greatly exceeded those of surface snow (5–22 ng g-¹), snow and rain (2–6 ng g-¹), and surface melt water (2–11 ng g-¹). Vertical profiles of MBC revealed high surface-layer concentrations, suggesting impurities trapped in the granular ice: the particularly low-density layer on the surface of the weathering crust. In the ablation area, MBC values of granular ice decreased with lower elevation: 134–601 ng g-1 at 3317 m site and 8–96 ng g-1 at 3078 m site. The fraction of residual surface BC to BC contained in lost water over a year, R was calculated using the yearly BC deposition flux and water ablation weight Aw. Average R values were 0.17 and 0.011, respectively, at 3317 m and 3078 m. Aw were 246 g w.e. cm-2 and 325 g w.e. cm-2, suggesting that the granular ice retains BC particles best in the upstream ablation area, showing concomitantly less capability with increasing ablation. Enriched BC on the ablation area surface comprises recent BC deposits and BC from the glacier's lower layer after rising during decades or more. Those BC emissions and deposits can therefore affect both future and present ablation area melting processes.
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- RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-5301', Anonymous Referee #1, 23 Nov 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-5301', Anonymous Referee #2, 17 Dec 2025
Ueda et al., 2025 “Concentration and size distribution of black carbon over the ablation area of Potanin glacier: Enrichment ability of surface weathering granular ice of water-insoluble particles with snow/ice melting” presents BC in various materials, snow, ice, and water, which were took from Potanin Glacier. TEM analysis was conducted to investigate fine particle composition of inpurities in snow and ice. They discussed comprehensive observation results of BC deposition, residual, and outflow and estimated BC remaining fration on ice with melt water out flow. This study will contribute to extending understanding of BC dynamics in cryosphere science and more detailed understanding on BC climate effects. The methods and analysis support well the conclusion of this study. There are some parts to be revised.
Major comment
1. FBC was obtained by CAM-ATRAS to estimate BC remining fraction. The idea is interesting and challenging. However, CAM-ATRAS is a global model with spatial resolustion of 1.9° × 2.5° and I wonder this resolution is sufficient or not for estimation FBC in cases where significant spatial heterogeneity is anticipated, such as in ablation glacial regions.
2. It was difficult to understand the connection between the argument presented at the end of Section 3.1.3 regarding the mixing state of particles and the comparison with atmospheric aerosols. Detailed comments are written in specific comments.
3. Does the explanation of BC enrichment on the snow surface discussed in 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 contradict BC enrichment in melted water discussed in 3.1.3? I think it would be better to organize the discussion again.
Spcific comments
L53: I think either ‘fresh’ or ‘new’ would be fine.
L69: Add more specific methods for sampling method and sample treatment, such as amount of snow sampled, area of the sampling points, melting techniques, etc. Glacier might have a large spatial discrepancy of BC in snow, and strong heating can decrease measured BC concentration by SP2.
L75: Since glaciers are flowing, and sampling points are marked by stakes, does this mean the ground position of the sampling points is changing? If so, wouldn't the amount of snow fall and sediment deposited from surrounding weathered rock change over time?
L90: It is preferable to indicate that a blank field has not been analyzed, such as by labeling it “N.A.,” rather than leaving it blank.
L115: How much air flow rate of the nebulizer?
L124: I can understand sonication is needed to minimize BC wall loss, but I wonder the sonication is really effective to mitigate the possible change of the BC size? If yes, sonication may also change original BC size distribution. If there are appropriate references, it should be added.
L143: Is this a handmade instrument?
L196: 'fresh' may be more accurate than 'fresher'. Please check.
L214: Compared to what is it ‘lower’?
L258: Is there any reference?
L270: I could not understand what this sentence is trying to explain. BC is affected post-deposition process, thus comparison with atmospheric BC is meaningless. In addition, while BC sources are remote site from observation area, mineral dust sources are assumed to be local. What are you trying to explain by bringing up atmospheric conditions from entirely different environments shown in these references? Please reconsider.
L272: As I pointed above, the source of dust is expected to be neighboring exposed rock area. I think that the mineral dust simply emitted from neighboring areas into the air by saltation and sand blast process, and was deposited on the snow and ice surface (just dry deposition).
L274: This sentence also fails to clarify what authors expected to explain and its evidence. Why does the presence of other particles promote BC aggregation? If TEM analysis showed advanced BC aggregation or internal mixing with others in the case of samples rich in minerals or organic, this contradicts previous explanations. Furthermore, considering the nebulizer orifice diameter, the droplets formed during atomization should be quite large. Can the agglomeration occurring within droplets really be ignored for these particle rich samples? In any case, I believe this section of the discussion, including this part, requires reorganizing what authors expected to show and their supporting evidence.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-5301-RC2
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This study investigated the black carbon (BC) mass concentration (MBC) in snow and ice samples from the ablation area of Potanin Glacier in Mongolia during the summers of 2022, 2023, and 2024. Also, this study discussed the distribution characteristics and potential mechanisms of black carbon at different altitudes and depths. This is important for understanding the deposition of black carbon in the cryosphere and climate effects. There are some details that need to be modified, as follows: