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Discussion of the spectral slope of the lidar ratio between 355 nm and 1064 nm from multiwavelength Raman lidar observations
Abstract. The extinction-to-backscatter ratio also known as lidar ratio is an important quantity in active remote sensing with lidar. It is a key parameter in aerosol typing and an essential quantity to derive the extinction coefficient from elastic backscatter lidars like the spaceborne Cloud-Aerosol Lidar and Infrared Pathfinder Satellite Observations (CALIPSO) or ceilometer observations. The present study discusses the spectral dependence of the lidar ratio from the frequently measured lidar ratios at 355 and 532 nm to the rarely observed lidar ratio at 1064 nm. Therefore, a special focus is put on the rotational Raman lidar method applied to the emission wavelength of 1064 nm. We present a literature review on existing triple-wavelength lidar ratio observations and add new measurements for marine and continental aerosol. For cirrus clouds, marine and continental aerosol the spectral behavior is neutral; for sulfate aerosol, we see a decrease from 532 to 1064 nm. In the case of mineral dust, the lidar ratio slightly increases towards 1064 nm and in the case of aged smoke an increase with wavelength is found. Furthermore, we observe an increase of the lidar ratio with relative humidity for continental aerosol and report hygroscopic growth factors. The findings are compared to the assumptions made in the CALIPSO version 4 automated aerosol classification and lidar ratio selection algorithm (Kim et al., 2018). We could confirm these assumptions for marine and sulfate aerosol. However, we see slight differences for mineral dust and continental aerosol and pronounced differences for elevated smoke.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-449', Anonymous Referee #1, 27 Feb 2025
The lidar group in Leipzig began measuring the extinction coefficient at 1064 nm in 2016, and this manuscript presents a comprehensive summary of observations. Until recently, information on the lidar ratio at 1064 nm and the Ångström exponent at 532/1064 nm was unavailable, and this study addresses that gap. For different aerosol types, the manuscript provides valuable new insights into the dependence of key parameters—backscattering and extinction coefficients, lidar ratio, and growth factors—on relative humidity.
The measurements were conducted at three wavelengths, allowing for an analysis of the spectral dependence of these parameters. The authors are well-recognized experts in the field of lidar measurements. The manuscript is well-written, includes a thorough review of existing literature, and is, in principle, suitable for publication as is.
The only minor comment concerns Fig. 3. While visually appealing, its necessity in the manuscript is unclear.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-449-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Moritz Haarig, 17 Apr 2025
Dear Anonymous Reviewer,
We thank you for your time and effort spent to check our manuscript. And we are delighted that it meets your expectations.
Concerning Figure 3, I completely agree with you, that the photograph of the 5 lidar beams at our institute is not necessary to understand the content of the study. It is more a kind of ornament or decoration, it is an additional illustration as it was done in old books centuries ago. And as such I would like to keep it in the manuscript.
We went over the text and improved some formulations (see track changes) and found a minor bug in the fitting of the hygroscopic growth parameter of the lidar ratio (now 0.45 instead of 0.49, the uncertainty changed only below the given significant digits). The optical profiles used for the two presented case studies were made available via zenodo.
Kind regards,
Moritz Haarig in the name of all co-authors
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-449-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Moritz Haarig, 17 Apr 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-449', Anonymous Referee #2, 06 Mar 2025
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2025/egusphere-2025-449/egusphere-2025-449-RC2-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Moritz Haarig, 17 Apr 2025
Dear Anonymous Reviewer,
We thank you for your time and effort spent to check our manuscript. Your comments are very helpful in improving the study. Especially, the discussion about the smoke lidar ratios and what we know and what not, profited from your input.
The detailed reply to your comments is provided in the attached pdf.
Kind regards,
Moritz Haarig in the name of all co-authors
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Moritz Haarig, 17 Apr 2025
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