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Climatic extremes and their social impact in 17th-century Transylvania. A climate-historical reconstruction in the context of the Little Ice Age
Abstract. The 17th century represented one of the most difficult climatic and social periods in the recent history of Europe, being marked by the transition to the Maunder Minimum, the peak of the Little Ice Age; marked by low thermal values, long and severe winters, rainy and cool summers, numerous dangerous climatic phenomena, a reduced number of normal years and seasons, famines, epidemics, etc. Taking these aspects into account, the present study aims to reconstruct, based on written historical sources, the climatic variability in the Principality of Transylvania during the 17th century. The emphasis is placed on the climatic phenomena generated by temperature and precipitation, as well as on the calamities associated with climate and their impact on society. The analysis identified a high prevalence of events associated with cold weather, 54 winters being mentioned as particularly cold in this century, of which 36 occurred during the Maunder Minimum (1645–1715). This interval was also characterized by numerous episodes of excessive precipitation and a clear imbalance between events associated with excessive humidity and drought. Variable climatic conditions caused poor harvests, famine, high prices and favoured the emergence of severe epidemics and social crises. Correlating historical sources with proxy data from the natural archive confirms the exceptional character of this century and validates the reconstruction based on historical information. They also indicate that natural factors such as solar activity and general atmospheric circulation generated the colder and wetter climate in 17th-century Transylvania, especially during the winters of the Maunder Minimum.
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-3376', Gareth S. Jones, 01 Aug 2025
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"Maunder Minimum"
In many places in the manuscript the authors use the term "Maunder Minimum" to describe a period of cool climate.
e.g., in the abstract "transition to the Maunder Minimum, the peak of the Little Ice Age...", line 46-47 "the Maunder Minimum (MM), the coldest interval of the LIA period between approximately 1645 and 1715" and in over a dozen other places.This is incorrect.
The "Maunder Minimum" is a term used to describe a particular period of low solar activity (Eddy 1976). Unfortunately it has occasionally been incorrectly confused with a period of cold climate, but the term is one only to be used in relation to solar activity and not climate change (Lockwood et al 2017, Owens et al 2017).
"Little Ice Age" and "Medieval Warm Period""Little Ice Age" and "Medieval Warm Period" are inaccurate terms, the "LIA" was nothing like an actual Ice Age, and the terms puts in the readers mind that it was cold/warm uniformly over some ill defined periods (Lockwood et al., 2017). The IPCC latest assessment report, did not use the terms (https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/), neither should the authors.
An example of the terms leading to incorrect conclusions, is the anecdotal evidence the authors use to support how cool the climate was.
In lines 72-74 the authors say that the "best-known image associated with the LIA and MM is presented by the Thames River, which frequently froze in the winter during the 17th and 18th centuries". However this was to do with the geography of the river in London rather than the climate being cool. Changes to the bridges and river banks made freezing more common in the past with a sluggish flow, and less common in recent years with a rapid flow (Jones and Mann, 2004; Lockwood et al, 2017).Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3376-CC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on CC1', Tudor Iulian Caciora, 02 Aug 2025
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About Maunder Minimum:
We fully agree that the Maunder Minimum (MM) strictly designates a period of extremely low solar activity, according to the original definition proposed by Eddy (1976). However, we note that in many works in the specialised literature (which consider both proxy and historical data), the MM is frequently associated with a period of cooling weather, especially in Europe. Our study also reflects this association by identifying a consistent number of events related to cold waves, particularly cold winters, years with low temperatures and various socio-economic consequences. The frequency of cold events in this period is much higher than in the previous two centuries and the rest of the 17th century (as far as we have researched to date).Of course, we recognise that the intensity of solar radiation is not equivalent to air or soil temperature and that the relationship between them is complex, mediated by other factors such as atmospheric circulation, volcanic activity, albedo, etc. That is why we have revised the wording in the article to more clearly reflect this distinction and to provide the reader with a rigorous and balanced understanding of the term MM and its possible influence on weather and climate. At the same time, we emphasise that we did not use the term Maunder Minimum to unilaterally justify or explain climate change but rather to temporally contextualise a period known over the last two millennia as being colder and extensively discussed in the specialised literature without implying a simplified or exclusive causal relationship.
About Little Ice Age:
Again, we are fully aware that these terms do not describe uniform climate events on a global scale and that the Little Ice Age (LIA), in particular, was not an ice age in the geological sense. That is why, at your suggestion, we have explained in the text that the LIA is a generic term, designating a period of relative cooling within the Holocene interglacial, without being the equivalent of a proper ice age. This clarification aims to prevent any potential confusion and convey as scientific and direct information as possible to the reader. Although the IPCC chose not to use these terms in its most recent report, we believe that the term LIA is still well established in the specialised literature, being useful for delimiting a relatively well-defined historical period, recognised in numerous specialised studies. In addition, the terms LIA and MWP are often used in historical climatology research (the terms being more of a historical rather than climatological or geographical nature), the field in which our study also falls.
The frost of the Thames:
The example of the Thames freeze has been mentioned in our text not as climatic evidence but as a well-rooted symbol in the collective perception of the cold character of the period associated with the LIA. We intended to show that the existence of a colder period is reflected not only in proxies or written historical documents, but also in other visual and artistic sources. For example, in European painting of the 17th–18th centuries, there is a frequent representation of accentuated nebulosity and frozen rivers, such as the Rhine, Seine, Danube, Po and Thames. These images are often presented in artistic contexts that have been transmitted to this day as representations of the cold weather associated with the LIA. In fact, a simple online search for the term “Little Ice Age” will generate numerous images of frozen rivers and winter fairs on ice, including the famous painting of the frozen Thames that we mentioned in the manuscript. However, we appreciate your observation regarding the geographical and anthropogenic causes of the freezing of the Thames. Following your suggestion, we have removed that paragraph from the text, considering that the information was redundant and risked misleading the reader regarding the unilateral causality of the phenomenon.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3376-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on CC1', Tudor Iulian Caciora, 02 Aug 2025
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CC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-3376', Andrea Kiss, 08 Aug 2025
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NIce figures, but the database applied throughout the analysis is entirely based an outstanding low quality "compilation" data. Thus, the analysis and quantitative/qualitative results of the paper in the present form is minimum questionable, and means a "one-step-back" in East-Central European historical climate research even compared to the 1990s. I appreciate the effort of the authors, the technical outlook of the paper is nice and shiny, but the scientific value is basically ruined by the very bad database foundation.
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AC2: 'Reply on CC2', Tudor Iulian Caciora, 08 Aug 2025
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We consider the database used in the study to be extensive, containing over 900 mentions from 68 localities in Transylvania (very numerous considering the region analysed and the period) and is based on both primary sources (chronicles, diaries, official registers), as well as secondary and tertiary sources. At the same time, we applied a rigorous methodology for coding and validating the data, including correlation with proxy sources.
You would probably have wanted the article to include proxy data, in the idea that only those types of data are truthful and reliable. We understand perfectly well that the qualitative nuances of historical sources can be interpreted differently, and subjectivity is a permanent challenge in this field, but we do not believe that their use should be eliminated from the beginning and categorised as unscientific and of low quality. They offer a valuable, human and contextual dimension regarding the way in which climate was perceived and influenced society in the 17th century, a dimension impossible to capture through proxies alone. We believe that this interdisciplinary approach, at the intersection of climatology and history, makes a real contribution to regional research.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3376-AC2 -
AC3: 'Reply on CC2', Tudor Iulian Caciora, 12 Aug 2025
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If you are referring to the fact that the database contains too few records, in a certain sense, we agree. However, this lack of information originates in the historical reality of the study area, characterised by an extremely low level of literacy. The local population did not show an inclination towards writing, and the existing records belong, in their vast majority, to foreigners who lived in Transylvania, especially Hungarians and Saxons. For this reason, the databases available for Transylvania cannot be compared with those related to the same period in France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria or Hungary, where the information is richer and more continuous.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3376-AC3
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AC2: 'Reply on CC2', Tudor Iulian Caciora, 08 Aug 2025
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-3376', Stefan Grab, 30 Aug 2025
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Please see my uploaded report
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-3376-RC1 -
AC4: 'Reply on RC1', Tudor Iulian Caciora, 30 Aug 2025
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Please upload the document
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RC2: 'Reply on AC4', Stefan Grab, 30 Aug 2025
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The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2025/egusphere-2025-3376/egusphere-2025-3376-RC2-supplement.pdf
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RC2: 'Reply on AC4', Stefan Grab, 30 Aug 2025
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AC4: 'Reply on RC1', Tudor Iulian Caciora, 30 Aug 2025
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