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Integrating Subsurface Dynamics into PALM-4U Urban Simulations: Sensitivity Response to Perturbations and Implemented Modules
Abstract. In this study we investigated the short-term atmospheric response of the large eddy simulation urban microscale model PALM-4U to disturbances of model parameters in Berlin. By forcing the model's dynamics with output from the WRF model, we tested the effects of simulating simple cloud physics to atmospheric dynamics in an environment with a dominant subsurface urban heat island. To do so we compare a clear sky to an overcast day when (i) raising only deep soil layer (2.91 m) temperature by 5 K and (ii) when changing the entire soil temperature profile to a more temporally advanced (i.e., more balanced state).
In accordance with our expectations we found that higher soil temperatures in all simulations contributed to higher sensible heat fluxes, more so during clear sky conditions. Ground heat fluxes on the other hand decreased with higher soil temperatures.
The more balanced soil temperature profile produced higher radiative cooling under clear sky, which counter intuitively led to lower sensible heat fluxes and surface temperatures, despite warmer soil. With clouds, in contrast, a more balanced soil temperature yielded higher surface heat fluxes, as expected. The largest simulated surface temperature differences exceeded ±3 K, with sensible heat flux differences of up to ±40 W/m², predominantly in green spaces. Our findings emphasize that the coupling between soil and atmosphere is not only highly variable in space and time, but both, soil temperature profiles and differences in radiative energy balance, substantially contribute to the urban surface energy balance and fluxes. Due to the different inertial scales in soil- and atmospheric energy fluxes, and the generally low availability of spatial soil temperature field data, the accurate study of Soil-Atmosphere-Interactions in urban environments remains challenging.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1276', Anonymous Referee #1, 02 Apr 2025
This manuscript presents a sensitivity study that investigates how variations in the soil temperature profile affect sensible heat flux and surface temperature. The topic is both interesting and of significant importance. However, there are several areas that could be improved to strengthen the manuscript and enhance its clarity and impact.
Line 5: What is the rationale for setting the temperature increase to 5K only for the deep soil layer (2.91 meters)? This value seems to be random.
Line 40: Could you elaborate on the rationale for this model setup by providing a comprehensive literature review? Specifically, it would be helpful to summarize existing research on soil temperature changes and their impact on surface energy balance, while also emphasizing the current research gap in understanding the effects of deep soil temperature variations.
Line 45: why should we include the bulk cloud model, not clear stated in the manuscript.
Line 50: It seems 6 cases are analyzed.
Line 130: Eq. 1 is wrong. Please check.
Line 145: The parameters in the BCM can significantly influence soil temperature. However, it is insufficient to merely compare the heat flux and surface temperature under scenarios with and without the BCM.
Line 230: It is somewhat challenging to interpretating Figure 3. Could you clarify the key insights of Figure 3?
Line 245: Figure 4 displays several errors. Since it is intended to compare differences in the soil temperature profile, I am unclear why the legend only differentiates between "BCM activated" and "BCM deactivated."
Line 300: The discussion section is written ambiguously and lacks data support. Figure 5 is merely conceptual and does not provide solid data to support the conclusions of this study.
Line 345: It is unclear how the data supports the conclusion that "Under clear skies, radiative cooling dominated, resulting in lower surface temperatures despite initially warmer soil." Could you provide additional data or analysis to substantiate this claim?
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1276-RC1 -
CEC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1276 - No compliance with the policy of the journal', Juan Antonio Añel, 09 Apr 2025
Dear authors,
Unfortunately, after checking your manuscript, it has come to our attention that it does not comply with our "Code and Data Policy".
https://www.geoscientific-model-development.net/policies/code_and_data_policy.htmlBefore going in deep in the different issues that affect your manuscript, and make it not in compliance with our policy, I want to note that I recommend the Topical Editor to stop inviting new reviewers for your manuscript, if it applies, and refrain of continuing with further steps in the review process. We need to clarify first if your manuscript can be compliant with the policy of our journal or if we have to reject it for publication. It must be clear that given all the issues listed below your manuscript should have not been accepted in Discussions, and this is what makes the current situation so irregular.
First, you do not provide the input and output data that you use to develop your work and obtain as a result. This includes the static data provided by the German Aerospace
Center (DLR), the WRF data used for dynamic forcing, the high-resolution PALM data, and the output files of your simulations with the PALM model.Second, several of the software tools that you use are not listed in the "Code and Data Availability" section of your manuscript, but simply mentioned along the text. We can not accept this. They include among others the PALM-static_tool and WRF4PALM.
Thrird, you do not provide permanent repositories storing the assets that you use in your manuscript (code and data), but links to generic webpages (for example for the PALM Model) or a Git site for some input files. GitHub is not a suitable repository for scientific publication. GitHub itself instructs authors to use other long-term archival and publishing alternatives, such as Zenodo, and this is clearly mentioned in our policy.
Therefore, to try to solve this situation you must reply to this comment with the links and permanent identifiers (e.g. DOI) of all the repositories containing all the data and software that is necessary to replicate your work and you obtain as a result of it. Additionally, you must reply with the text for a modified "Code and Data Availability" section that describes all of them and is in compliance with the code and data policy of the journal. After it, we will assess the situation with your manuscript, and will decide if the review process can continue.
I have to note that if you do not address the mentioned issue, we will have to reject your manuscript for publication in our journal.
Juan A. Añel
Geosci. Model Dev. Executive Editor
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1276-CEC1 -
AC1: 'Withdraw the manuscript egusphere-2025-1276', Patricia Glocke, 16 Apr 2025
We would like to withdraw our manuscript titled
"Integrating Subsurface Dynamics into PALM-4U Urban Simulations: Sensitivity Response to Perturbations and Implemented Modules" (egusphere-2025-1276)
with the intention to resubmit it at a later date.While reviewing our data processing pipeline in response to recent comments, we discovered an error that, although now corrected, prompts us to conduct a more thorough re-examination of our entire workflow to ensure full consistency and reproducibility.
Furthermore, the feedback from the first reviewer was already very helpful and has provided us with several ideas on how to significantly improve both the impact and the relevance of our manuscript.Â
We therefore plan to revise and resubmit the manuscript at a later stage.
Thank you for your understanding.
On behalf of all authors,
Patricia GlockeThank you for your understanding.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1276-AC1
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1276', Anonymous Referee #1, 02 Apr 2025
This manuscript presents a sensitivity study that investigates how variations in the soil temperature profile affect sensible heat flux and surface temperature. The topic is both interesting and of significant importance. However, there are several areas that could be improved to strengthen the manuscript and enhance its clarity and impact.
Line 5: What is the rationale for setting the temperature increase to 5K only for the deep soil layer (2.91 meters)? This value seems to be random.
Line 40: Could you elaborate on the rationale for this model setup by providing a comprehensive literature review? Specifically, it would be helpful to summarize existing research on soil temperature changes and their impact on surface energy balance, while also emphasizing the current research gap in understanding the effects of deep soil temperature variations.
Line 45: why should we include the bulk cloud model, not clear stated in the manuscript.
Line 50: It seems 6 cases are analyzed.
Line 130: Eq. 1 is wrong. Please check.
Line 145: The parameters in the BCM can significantly influence soil temperature. However, it is insufficient to merely compare the heat flux and surface temperature under scenarios with and without the BCM.
Line 230: It is somewhat challenging to interpretating Figure 3. Could you clarify the key insights of Figure 3?
Line 245: Figure 4 displays several errors. Since it is intended to compare differences in the soil temperature profile, I am unclear why the legend only differentiates between "BCM activated" and "BCM deactivated."
Line 300: The discussion section is written ambiguously and lacks data support. Figure 5 is merely conceptual and does not provide solid data to support the conclusions of this study.
Line 345: It is unclear how the data supports the conclusion that "Under clear skies, radiative cooling dominated, resulting in lower surface temperatures despite initially warmer soil." Could you provide additional data or analysis to substantiate this claim?
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1276-RC1 -
CEC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1276 - No compliance with the policy of the journal', Juan Antonio Añel, 09 Apr 2025
Dear authors,
Unfortunately, after checking your manuscript, it has come to our attention that it does not comply with our "Code and Data Policy".
https://www.geoscientific-model-development.net/policies/code_and_data_policy.htmlBefore going in deep in the different issues that affect your manuscript, and make it not in compliance with our policy, I want to note that I recommend the Topical Editor to stop inviting new reviewers for your manuscript, if it applies, and refrain of continuing with further steps in the review process. We need to clarify first if your manuscript can be compliant with the policy of our journal or if we have to reject it for publication. It must be clear that given all the issues listed below your manuscript should have not been accepted in Discussions, and this is what makes the current situation so irregular.
First, you do not provide the input and output data that you use to develop your work and obtain as a result. This includes the static data provided by the German Aerospace
Center (DLR), the WRF data used for dynamic forcing, the high-resolution PALM data, and the output files of your simulations with the PALM model.Second, several of the software tools that you use are not listed in the "Code and Data Availability" section of your manuscript, but simply mentioned along the text. We can not accept this. They include among others the PALM-static_tool and WRF4PALM.
Thrird, you do not provide permanent repositories storing the assets that you use in your manuscript (code and data), but links to generic webpages (for example for the PALM Model) or a Git site for some input files. GitHub is not a suitable repository for scientific publication. GitHub itself instructs authors to use other long-term archival and publishing alternatives, such as Zenodo, and this is clearly mentioned in our policy.
Therefore, to try to solve this situation you must reply to this comment with the links and permanent identifiers (e.g. DOI) of all the repositories containing all the data and software that is necessary to replicate your work and you obtain as a result of it. Additionally, you must reply with the text for a modified "Code and Data Availability" section that describes all of them and is in compliance with the code and data policy of the journal. After it, we will assess the situation with your manuscript, and will decide if the review process can continue.
I have to note that if you do not address the mentioned issue, we will have to reject your manuscript for publication in our journal.
Juan A. Añel
Geosci. Model Dev. Executive Editor
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1276-CEC1 -
AC1: 'Withdraw the manuscript egusphere-2025-1276', Patricia Glocke, 16 Apr 2025
We would like to withdraw our manuscript titled
"Integrating Subsurface Dynamics into PALM-4U Urban Simulations: Sensitivity Response to Perturbations and Implemented Modules" (egusphere-2025-1276)
with the intention to resubmit it at a later date.While reviewing our data processing pipeline in response to recent comments, we discovered an error that, although now corrected, prompts us to conduct a more thorough re-examination of our entire workflow to ensure full consistency and reproducibility.
Furthermore, the feedback from the first reviewer was already very helpful and has provided us with several ideas on how to significantly improve both the impact and the relevance of our manuscript.Â
We therefore plan to revise and resubmit the manuscript at a later stage.
Thank you for your understanding.
On behalf of all authors,
Patricia GlockeThank you for your understanding.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2025-1276-AC1
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