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Humidity Measurements in Carbon Dioxide with Sensirion SHT85 Humidity Sensors under simulated Martian atmospheric conditions
Abstract. Humidity sensors that function under extreme conditions are needed in experimental chambers in which the atmospheric conditions near the surface of Mars are simulated, as well as for in-situ measurements of humidity on the surface of Mars. Experimental setups with such sensors have already been constructed at the German Aerospace Center (DLR) and published. However, the SHT75 sensors from Sensirion used at that time are no longer in production and have been replaced by a new generation of sensors: SHT85. The SHT85 sensors are more precise than their predecessors, have a new sensor chip, and feature a PTFE membrane over the humidity-sensitive layer to protect the sensor from dust and liquids. The data interface to the I2C bus has also changed. Due to these significant changes, it was necessary to verify the sensor’s capabilities under extreme conditions. For this purpose, the sensors were tested under the same conditions and in parallel to the calibration of the MEDA HS sensor from the Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI), onboard NASA's Mars 2020 rover. The results show that the SHT85 is, as its predecessor SHT75, suitable for measurements under Martian atmospheric conditions when the relative humidity is in the range >5 %.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3944', Anonymous Referee #1, 28 Jan 2025
The manuscript describes a new humidity measurement performance in conditions expected on Mars surface. It is clear, rigorous and well written.
The main limitation of the current manuscript is the limited discussion over weird behavior observed at 6 hPa, the hypothesis seems reasonable so the manuscript could improve from detailing the underlying reasons and limitations.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andreas Lorek, 03 Feb 2025
This weird behavior occurred at 6 hPa (-60°C) and at 8 hPa (-70°C). Both times after decreasing the temperature and starting the new measurement campaign for different pressures. The cause could be e.g. a time lag in the adaptation of the polymer to the new conditions (desorption of molecules or a phase change from water to ice) or a time lag in the adaption of the electronics inside the SHT85.
The paper can be expanded with these sentences to indicate the possible causes.
In the future, measurements at temperatures less than -50°C have to be scrutinized for this behavior with a view to finding the causes.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-AC1 -
RC2: 'Reply on AC1', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Feb 2025
Thank you for the details.
I would recommend adding these sentences to the manuscript.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Andreas Lorek, 06 Feb 2025
Yes, we will add the sentences.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Andreas Lorek, 06 Feb 2025
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RC2: 'Reply on AC1', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Feb 2025
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andreas Lorek, 03 Feb 2025
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3944', Anonymous Referee #2, 17 Feb 2025
The paper describes humidity experiments under low pressure and temperature conditions using a Senserion SHT85 Humidity sensor. The paper is well written and explains the work done in an appropriate way. In my opinion there are a few things that should be added or changed, respectively.
Please check on the numbering of the figures in the text. I guess in line 70 it should be figure 7 not figure 6.
Equations 2 and 3: What temperature is T1?
Please add a short explanation why the measurements at -30deg have only been done at 8hPa.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-RC3 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Andreas Lorek, 24 Feb 2025
Thank you for reviewing the manuscript.
- “Please check on the numbering of the figures in the text. I guess in line 70 it should be figure 7 not figure 6.”
Yes, that’s true it should be figure 7.
- “Equations 2 and 3: What temperature is T1?”
Yes, that was not mentioned. T1 is the triple point temperature of water with = 273.16 K.
- “Please add a short explanation why the measurements at -30deg have only been done at 8hPa.”
The measurement at -30 °C and 8 hPa was for orientation only. Due to the construction of the gas mixing and humidification system the highest reachable humidity is approximately 10°C to 11°C dew point at 1 atm pressure. This leads to a relative humidity of approximately 30% in maximum at -30°C and 8 hPa, which was deemed insufficient for a complete fit over the full relative humidity range. For this reason the measurements were not repeated at 6 and 10 hPa.
We will integrate our answers to point 1 to 3 in the manuscript.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Andreas Lorek, 24 Feb 2025
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3944', Anonymous Referee #1, 28 Jan 2025
The manuscript describes a new humidity measurement performance in conditions expected on Mars surface. It is clear, rigorous and well written.
The main limitation of the current manuscript is the limited discussion over weird behavior observed at 6 hPa, the hypothesis seems reasonable so the manuscript could improve from detailing the underlying reasons and limitations.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andreas Lorek, 03 Feb 2025
This weird behavior occurred at 6 hPa (-60°C) and at 8 hPa (-70°C). Both times after decreasing the temperature and starting the new measurement campaign for different pressures. The cause could be e.g. a time lag in the adaptation of the polymer to the new conditions (desorption of molecules or a phase change from water to ice) or a time lag in the adaption of the electronics inside the SHT85.
The paper can be expanded with these sentences to indicate the possible causes.
In the future, measurements at temperatures less than -50°C have to be scrutinized for this behavior with a view to finding the causes.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-AC1 -
RC2: 'Reply on AC1', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Feb 2025
Thank you for the details.
I would recommend adding these sentences to the manuscript.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Andreas Lorek, 06 Feb 2025
Yes, we will add the sentences.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Andreas Lorek, 06 Feb 2025
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RC2: 'Reply on AC1', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Feb 2025
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Andreas Lorek, 03 Feb 2025
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3944', Anonymous Referee #2, 17 Feb 2025
The paper describes humidity experiments under low pressure and temperature conditions using a Senserion SHT85 Humidity sensor. The paper is well written and explains the work done in an appropriate way. In my opinion there are a few things that should be added or changed, respectively.
Please check on the numbering of the figures in the text. I guess in line 70 it should be figure 7 not figure 6.
Equations 2 and 3: What temperature is T1?
Please add a short explanation why the measurements at -30deg have only been done at 8hPa.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-RC3 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Andreas Lorek, 24 Feb 2025
Thank you for reviewing the manuscript.
- “Please check on the numbering of the figures in the text. I guess in line 70 it should be figure 7 not figure 6.”
Yes, that’s true it should be figure 7.
- “Equations 2 and 3: What temperature is T1?”
Yes, that was not mentioned. T1 is the triple point temperature of water with = 273.16 K.
- “Please add a short explanation why the measurements at -30deg have only been done at 8hPa.”
The measurement at -30 °C and 8 hPa was for orientation only. Due to the construction of the gas mixing and humidification system the highest reachable humidity is approximately 10°C to 11°C dew point at 1 atm pressure. This leads to a relative humidity of approximately 30% in maximum at -30°C and 8 hPa, which was deemed insufficient for a complete fit over the full relative humidity range. For this reason the measurements were not repeated at 6 and 10 hPa.
We will integrate our answers to point 1 to 3 in the manuscript.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-3944-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Andreas Lorek, 24 Feb 2025
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