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Middle Miocene climate evolution in the Northern Mediterranean region (Digne-Valensole basin, SE France)
Abstract. During the Middle Miocene, the Earth shifted from a warm state, the Miocene Climatic Optimum (MCO, 16.9–14.7 Ma), to a colder state associated with the formation of extensive and permanent ice sheets on Antarctica. This climatic shift, the Middle Miocene Climatic Transition (MMCT, 14.7–13.8 Ma) strongly affected the composition and structure of major biomes, ocean circulation, as well as precipitation patterns. Although Middle Miocene climate dynamics are well documented in marine records, our knowledge of terrestrial climate change is not well constrained. Here we present a long-term (23–13 Ma) stable (𝛿13C, 𝛿18O) and clumped (∆47) isotope record of soil carbonates from a northern Mediterranean Alpine foreland basin (Digne-Valensole Basin, France). ∆47-derived soil carbonate formation temperatures indicate a highly dynamic dry season temperature pattern that is consistent with multiple periods of reorganization of atmospheric circulation during the MCO. We propose that changes in atmospheric circulation patterns modified the seasonality of precipitation and, ultimately, the timing of pedogenic carbonate formation. Consequently, ∆47 soil carbonate temperature data record the combined effects of long-term regional temperature and carbonate formation seasonality change. The data are consistent with the existence of a proto-Mediterranean climate already during certain MCO time intervals. Following the MMCT, the stable and clumped isotope record displays pronounced cooling after 13.8 Ma accompanied by a rather large (-5.0 %) decrease in soil water 𝛿18O values. Our northern Mediterranean foreland basin climate record shares strong similarities with time-equivalent records from the terrestrial European mid-latitudes and the global oceans and enhances our understanding of the circum-Alpine Middle Miocene terrestrial climate dynamics.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-2093', Anonymous Referee #1, 24 Sep 2024
The authors investigate the Middle Miocene Climatic Transition in a Mediterranean Alpine foreland basin. This paleoclimate record provides a land-based perspective of climate change during the transition from globally warm to globally cool conditions. The authors use clumped isotope temperatures from pedogenic carbonate to infer patterns in secular temperature change and as a record of hydrologic change. They interpret a changing seasonal bias in their pedogenic carbonates and suggest it relates to the onset of Mediterranean climates.
The authors present a creative yet measured interpretation of their data. I recommend minor revisions according to the suggestions below.
Line 180 - is this sampling depth below the paleo ground surface? How did you determine the top of the paleosol? Or do you mean you excavated below 50 cm from the modern surface to avoid contemporary overprinting?
How much time do you think each pedogenic nodule represents? Do you think it is smaller than the error from your age model?
Line 280 - It would be nice to see isotopic measurements of the sparry veins to reassure the reader that the rest of the data that is 'pristine' is pristine.
Can you offer some kind of contextual information on why there would be local fluid flow affecting just this one sample? Was this collected in a disparate location?
Consider citing Li et al. GCA (2024) (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gca.2024.04.009) in this section.
Line 302 - at what depth?
Line 304 - does the shift in seasonality have to be instantaneous? Could it be gradual based on the uncertainties in your age model and in your sampling resolution?
Figure 4C: from where did you estimate the monthly threshold for precipitation amount preventing pedogenic carbonate?
Line 350: What are the d18O values of these moisture sources today? You could consider adding the seasonal d18O signatures to Figure 4.
How would you expect the d13C values to vary with the changing seasonal bias in pedogenic carbonate formation?
Line 403: this is a nice, clear statement that summarizes your interpretation.
Consider combining Figure 5 and 6.
Line 426: This discussion and your bulleted conclusions are difficult to match with Figure 6 because you do not have 0.1 Ma's marked on that figure. Revise the figure axes or clarify the samples you are discussing in an alternate way.
Line 410 and elsewhere in this section: Based on the prior section, I thought that the temperature variability in the MCO that you observed on land is primarily related to changing seasonality of pedogenic carbonate formation rather than a secular change in temperatures. I suspect that variability in temperatures in the marine realm is caused by a different mechanism. Perhaps you could discuss why you might expect to see variability in measured temperatures across these two regions even though the mechanisms for variability differ.
Line 445: Where does the estimate of cooling come from? I don't think you explained which temperature values you are comparing to arrive at the estimated 3-4 °C.
Line 453: During which intervals?
Line 457: Based on Fig 6, it looks like there is a slight peak in BWT in the interval that you are describing. I'm not sure which wiggle you are matching to - again, adding 0.1 Ma to FIg 6 would help, and/or label these tie points on the graph.
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-2093', Anonymous Referee #2, 11 Dec 2024
The authors presented the stable and clumped isotope results of soil carbonates formed during the middle Miocene (23–13 Ma) from the northern Mediterranean Alpine foreland basin in France. And they proposed that the clumped isotope derived temperature reflected the combined effects of long-term regional temperature and carbonate formation seasonality changes. Except for the comments from referee 1, I have following concerns with the current version.
- According to the visual comparison with Figure 4 in Bialkowski et al. (2006), it seems there are large changes in the age model of this work. For example, the 98GR24 sample may correspond to 16-17 Ma in Figure 4 of Bialkowski et al. (2006). If so, the authors should give more details and the reasons for such changes. Furthermore, what is the underlying physical basis for correlating the carbon isotope of soil carbonates with the marine data in Figure S4?
- Studies have suggested that there were large changes in the illuvial depth of CaCO3 during the Quaternary (Zhao, 2004; Meng et al. 2015). From Line 130-135, the studied region may experience large changes in precipitation during the MCO, and this may induce large changes in soil carbonate formation depth. Figure 2B also show several meters of carbonate nodules, implying large formation depth. According to the study of Quade et al. (2013), this could also reasonably explain the large changes in the clumped isotope temperature of soil carbonates, which is ignored in this work.
Zhao, J. (2004), The new basic theory on Quaternary environmental research, J. Geogr. Sci., 14(2), 242–250, doi:10.1007/BF02837540.
Meng, X., L. Liu, W. Balsam, S. Li, T. He, J. Chen, and J. Ji (2015), Dolomite abundance in Chinese loess deposits: A new proxy of monsoon precipitation intensity, Geophys. Res. Lett., 42, 10,391–10,398, doi:10.1002/2015GL066681.
- Line 445, the analytical error (1SE) for the clumped isotope is on the order of 3-4 ℃. So, it may be difficult to differentiate the overall cooling trend from large seasonality component.
- Line 65, Kim & O’Neil 1997 is more appropriate here and other related parts in the paper.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2024-2093-RC2
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