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Geostrophic adjustment on the mid-latitude β-plane
Abstract. Analytical and numerical solutions of the Linearized Rotating Shallow Water Equations are combined to study the geostrophic adjustment on the mid-latitude β-plane. The adjustment is examined in zonal periodic channels of width Lᵧ = 4Rd (‘narrow’ channel, where Rd is the radius of deformation) and Lᵧ=60Rd (‘wide’ channel) for the particular initial conditions of a resting fluid with a step-like height distribution, η₀. In the one-dimensional case, where η₀ = η₀(y) we find that: (i) β affects the geostrophic state (determined from the conservation of the meridional vorticity gradient) only when b = cot (Φ₀) Rd /R ≥ 0.5 (where Φ₀ is the channel’s central latitude and R is Earth’s radius); (ii) The energy conversion ratio varies by less than 10 % when b increases from 0 to 1; (iii) In ‘wide’ channels, β affects the waves significantly even for small b (e.g. b = 0.005). (iv) For b = 0.005, harmonic waves approximate the waves in ‘narrow’ channels, and trapped waves approximate the waves in ‘wide’ channels. In the two-dimensional case, where η₀ = η₀(x) we find that: (i) At short times the spatial structure of the steady solution is similar to that on the f-plane, while at long times the steady state drifts westward at the speed of Rossby waves – harmonic Rossby waves in ‘narrow’ channels and trapped Rossby waves in ‘wide’ channels; (ii) In ‘wide’ channels, trapped wave dispersion causes the equatorward segment of the wavefront to move faster than the northern segment; (iii) The energy of Rossby waves on the β-plane approaches that of the steady-state on the f-plane; (iv) The results outlined in (iii) and (iv) of the one-dimensional case also hold in the two-dimensional case.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-819', Anonymous Referee #1, 06 Jun 2023
The authors present results on the adjustment to unbalanced initial conditions
on a beta plane set at mid-latitudes. The approach is elegant and the presentation
is effective at communicating the main results. My main point I would like to see
addressed is the addition of a discussion early in the paper on the application of
a channel for mid-latitude flows. There are no solid boundaries at mid-latitudes
in the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans. For wide channels, the solutions trapped wave
solutions depend on having a wall to support the waves. How would these waves
be supported in the real ocean? Is choice of the zero crossing sufficient? Is there
a zonal pressure gradient at y=-L/2?Detailed comments:
line 20: understanding
39: A brief statement of how the waves are trapped would be helpful.
Table 1: define what runs A-E are, either in the table or the caption.
132: What is lost when you neglect -2by and in what limit is this valid?
You calculate solutions for by=O(1).146: This is a confusing way to state that the Bi term must be zero in
order for the solutions to be bounded.Eqn (24) Can you provide some physical interpretation of this condition and
the role of b and E?179: Mention the continuity equation (27) in going from (28) to (29).
183: Potential vorticity must also be conserved. What is the physical
meaning of conservation of vorticity gradient?198: missing =0 on the du/dt term.
205: Please provide justification for the d(eta)/dy =0 boundary condition.
210: If the solution is symmetric about y=0, don't all solutions satisfy
mass conservation?Figure 4: So the variance is not well described by these modes since it
takes so many.323: The tilting of wave crests in many previous studies has been found in the
absence of channel walls so it is most likely, at least in those cases, to be
due to the variation in the long wave phase speed with latitude. Linear Rossby
wave theory has also been applied to forced variability in closed basins with
close comparison to PE numerical solutions. The current discussion is too
dismissive of the role of linear long Rossby waves at mid-latitudes.345: Refer to Table 1 for model resolution.
Summary and Discussion: This section is very helpful and answered several
questions that I had while reading the paper.437: state again what Z* and zeta are.
Add a subsection 6.7 on the assumption of walls at +- Ly/2, which do
not exist in the ocean or atmosphere.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-RC1 - AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Nathan Paldor, 27 Jun 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-819', Anonymous Referee #2, 15 Jun 2023
This paper concerns geostrophic adjustment in the presence of a gradient of potential vorticity, specifically a beta plane. The standard Rossby adjustment problem is a staple of geophysical fluid dynamics and appears in many text books, but the extension to a beta plane has been studied much less extensively. On the one hand this is surprising, since dynamics on the beta plane are also a staple of geophysical fluid dynamics. However, the analytic/algrebraic difficulties are not trivial and often that entails a numerical approach. Oddly enough, the equatorial beta-plane and the sphere have been studied more extensively than the mid-latitude beta plane, so the present submission fills a gap in the literature. I have only a couple of comments.
The specific domain used here is the zonal channel on the beta plane. This is arguably slightly restrictive but nevertheless useful. The presentation is generally clear. What I think would be useful would be a explicit demonstration of how the numerical results approach the standard and well-known f-plane results, as \beta tends to zero. both for the time evolution and the final state. This would both provide confidence in the numerical scheme and provide insight into the effects of beta. Some f-plane results are provided, and but the physical patterns arenot shown except in figure 10 (which is showing something different).
Relatedly, potential vorticity is presumably conserved, and conserved pointwise in the linear problem. This is the basis for how the final state is calculated in the original Rossby problem. Some discussion of how PV enters into this problem and provides constraints on the evolution and final state would be welcome. Or if potential vorticity is not conserved or is somehow not relevant, some discussion of that would be useful.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-RC2 - AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Nathan Paldor, 27 Jun 2023
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EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-819', Karen J. Heywood, 27 Jun 2023
Thank you for your detailed responses to both reviewers. I look forward to receiving your revised paper. Please upload it when convenient.
Karen
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-EC1 -
AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Nathan Paldor, 28 Jun 2023
Thank you for responding so fast. We'll upload the revised manuscript by the weekend (officially, as of todat, 28/June, the Discussion stage is still open).
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-AC3 -
EC2: 'Reply on AC3', Karen J. Heywood, 28 Jun 2023
There is no hurry to upload the revised version - you will receive an email when the discussion phase ends, and I think you have about another month from then to upload the revised paper.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-EC2
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EC2: 'Reply on AC3', Karen J. Heywood, 28 Jun 2023
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AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Nathan Paldor, 28 Jun 2023
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-819', Anonymous Referee #1, 06 Jun 2023
The authors present results on the adjustment to unbalanced initial conditions
on a beta plane set at mid-latitudes. The approach is elegant and the presentation
is effective at communicating the main results. My main point I would like to see
addressed is the addition of a discussion early in the paper on the application of
a channel for mid-latitude flows. There are no solid boundaries at mid-latitudes
in the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans. For wide channels, the solutions trapped wave
solutions depend on having a wall to support the waves. How would these waves
be supported in the real ocean? Is choice of the zero crossing sufficient? Is there
a zonal pressure gradient at y=-L/2?Detailed comments:
line 20: understanding
39: A brief statement of how the waves are trapped would be helpful.
Table 1: define what runs A-E are, either in the table or the caption.
132: What is lost when you neglect -2by and in what limit is this valid?
You calculate solutions for by=O(1).146: This is a confusing way to state that the Bi term must be zero in
order for the solutions to be bounded.Eqn (24) Can you provide some physical interpretation of this condition and
the role of b and E?179: Mention the continuity equation (27) in going from (28) to (29).
183: Potential vorticity must also be conserved. What is the physical
meaning of conservation of vorticity gradient?198: missing =0 on the du/dt term.
205: Please provide justification for the d(eta)/dy =0 boundary condition.
210: If the solution is symmetric about y=0, don't all solutions satisfy
mass conservation?Figure 4: So the variance is not well described by these modes since it
takes so many.323: The tilting of wave crests in many previous studies has been found in the
absence of channel walls so it is most likely, at least in those cases, to be
due to the variation in the long wave phase speed with latitude. Linear Rossby
wave theory has also been applied to forced variability in closed basins with
close comparison to PE numerical solutions. The current discussion is too
dismissive of the role of linear long Rossby waves at mid-latitudes.345: Refer to Table 1 for model resolution.
Summary and Discussion: This section is very helpful and answered several
questions that I had while reading the paper.437: state again what Z* and zeta are.
Add a subsection 6.7 on the assumption of walls at +- Ly/2, which do
not exist in the ocean or atmosphere.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-RC1 - AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Nathan Paldor, 27 Jun 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-819', Anonymous Referee #2, 15 Jun 2023
This paper concerns geostrophic adjustment in the presence of a gradient of potential vorticity, specifically a beta plane. The standard Rossby adjustment problem is a staple of geophysical fluid dynamics and appears in many text books, but the extension to a beta plane has been studied much less extensively. On the one hand this is surprising, since dynamics on the beta plane are also a staple of geophysical fluid dynamics. However, the analytic/algrebraic difficulties are not trivial and often that entails a numerical approach. Oddly enough, the equatorial beta-plane and the sphere have been studied more extensively than the mid-latitude beta plane, so the present submission fills a gap in the literature. I have only a couple of comments.
The specific domain used here is the zonal channel on the beta plane. This is arguably slightly restrictive but nevertheless useful. The presentation is generally clear. What I think would be useful would be a explicit demonstration of how the numerical results approach the standard and well-known f-plane results, as \beta tends to zero. both for the time evolution and the final state. This would both provide confidence in the numerical scheme and provide insight into the effects of beta. Some f-plane results are provided, and but the physical patterns arenot shown except in figure 10 (which is showing something different).
Relatedly, potential vorticity is presumably conserved, and conserved pointwise in the linear problem. This is the basis for how the final state is calculated in the original Rossby problem. Some discussion of how PV enters into this problem and provides constraints on the evolution and final state would be welcome. Or if potential vorticity is not conserved or is somehow not relevant, some discussion of that would be useful.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-RC2 - AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Nathan Paldor, 27 Jun 2023
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EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-819', Karen J. Heywood, 27 Jun 2023
Thank you for your detailed responses to both reviewers. I look forward to receiving your revised paper. Please upload it when convenient.
Karen
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-EC1 -
AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Nathan Paldor, 28 Jun 2023
Thank you for responding so fast. We'll upload the revised manuscript by the weekend (officially, as of todat, 28/June, the Discussion stage is still open).
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-AC3 -
EC2: 'Reply on AC3', Karen J. Heywood, 28 Jun 2023
There is no hurry to upload the revised version - you will receive an email when the discussion phase ends, and I think you have about another month from then to upload the revised paper.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-819-EC2
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EC2: 'Reply on AC3', Karen J. Heywood, 28 Jun 2023
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AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Nathan Paldor, 28 Jun 2023
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