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ESD Ideas: To address planetary crises, we must understand our place on Earth
Abstract. Studying the origin of life and its prevalence in the universe offers a perspective that compels us to look after our irreplaceable home in the cosmos. An entrenched conception of humans as distinct from Nature prevents us from seeing and embracing our place in space and time, to our catastrophic detriment. We call on our colleagues to harness this unique perspective to connect their research with broader problems facing humanity, while leveraging the trust, credibility, and privilege of the scientific enterprise.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-299', Caleb Scharf, 24 Apr 2023
General comments:
This preprint is a short opinion and/or commentary on the relevance of the Earth Sciences, as well as evolutionary and astrobiological sciences, for driving a perspective that is described as critical for guiding human decisions that will determine our future longevity and the future of the Earth’s systems. It is a call for colleagues to harness this perspective and to connect their research to broader existential problems. In this sense it is not a research contribution per se.
While it offers a commendable ‘call-to-arms’ it presents a very limited argument in support of its primary contention that there is an entrenched conception of humans as distinct from Nature which hinders our most impactful decisions. It is mostly a collection of several talking points (life’s singular common ancestry, a Gaian planetary system, exoplanets and climates and life elsewhere) that are suggested as enabling a ‘compass’ for policy decisions and a narrative for guidance in global socio-economic issues.
The main weakness is that while all of this makes sense, it is not a new vision, and little specific evidence is presented to show how scientific knowledge about (for example) Earth’s deep history or the history of other worlds has tangible impact on seeing future directions for humanity. Are there examples where, for instance, predictive climate models have been significantly upgraded with such knowledge? How does the common ancestry of life on Earth inform us about biosphere function? What exactly might future exoplanet data tell us about choices for planetary environmental stability? A little more specificity throughout could help tighten the argument.
Specific comments:
Line 9-10: “An entrenched…”: This is an important statement, but the article does not provide that counterpoint perspective (humans distinct from Nature) so that the reader is left to infer that the various statements about life's history and evolution and planetary processes negate that perspective. i.e. a problem is indicated but then not explicitly stated in the body of the article.
16-17: “…partly because…”: This may be true but as stated is ambiguous: is it referring to improved knowledge about planet formation or alternate climate states, or something else? It is a statement that 'feels right' but without an elaboration on the basis is rather superficial.
19-20: “possessed the fundamental”: This is a hypothesis or definition rather than a proven fact, so perhaps soften this statement - if a LUCA existed, as seems plausible, then it would have possessed...etc.
21: “harbored the potential”: What does this mean? As written it suggests a pre-instantiated potential or pattern, whereas most research would suggest that the systems of the first 'life' had the capacity to lead to the emergence or generation of further novelty.
32-33: “If we want to ensure…”: It's a plausible sounding statement - but it's also a bit empty of evidence, it is a hypothesis that seems reasonable but what exactly is it about this acknowledgement that would lead to a sustainable future? Can some hint of that or specific examples be given?
42: “the products”: This is perhaps rather oversimplifying things, or at least missing the aspect of evolution that is perfectly fine erasing and reinventing functional forms and mechanisms. All species alive today exist as a snapshot within a long and constantly shifting landscape of evolution - should be careful not to suggest that everything today is somehow a special or 'ultimate' outcome.
45-46: “Humans would not survive…”: Perhaps it is important to make this statement, but it reads as so self-evident as to not be profound at all.
51: “identify constituent gases”: Clarify that these constituent gases may serve as remotely detectable biosignatures.
56-57: “test and validate…”: This is partially correct: we can use these observations to test the validity of these models in conditions that deviate from those of the modern Earth - checking whether the models capture climate processes in more 'extreme' or varied conditions than represented here.
62: “can guide policy decisions…”: The optimism is appreciated but is there a way to state this that is a little more nuanced - "could and should" rather than "can"?
Technical corrections:
Line 20: “primary tool” – suggest “primary strategy”
22-23: “chemistry into a durable biology”-à suggest “transformed one chemical system into another that we associate with biology”
32: “our instincts” – is this the right facility? Senses? Perceptions?
36: “The result is homeostasis:” à Perhaps more accurate to say something like "robust homeostasis" since homeostasis could exist in the absence of life (e.g. carbon-silicate cycle can form in an abiotic form).
43-44: “…we are a part of the planet…”: Sentence seems repetitive from previous statements.
58: typo around exoplanets
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-299-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Raphaelle Haywood, 28 Jul 2023
Overall Response: We thank both reviewers for their thoughtful comments. We have made revisions to address specific issues, and added an introductory paragraph to address general concerns. Our piece is now more clear about its target audience and aims, and we have also changed the title to reflect this.
General comments:
This preprint is a short opinion and/or commentary on the relevance of the Earth Sciences, as well as evolutionary and astrobiological sciences, for driving a perspective that is described as critical for guiding human decisions that will determine our future longevity and the future of the Earth’s systems. It is a call for colleagues to harness this perspective and to connect their research to broader existential problems. In this sense it is not a research contribution per se.
Comment: While it offers a commendable ‘call-to-arms’ it presents a very limited argument in support of its primary contention that there is an entrenched conception of humans as distinct from Nature which hinders our most impactful decisions.
Response: See below ("Line 9-10").
Comment: It is mostly a collection of several talking points (life’s singular common ancestry, a Gaian planetary system, exoplanets and climates and life elsewhere) that are suggested as enabling a ‘compass’ for policy decisions and a narrative for guidance in global socio-economic issues.
Response: We have added connecting sentences throughout to more explicitly tie these points together and tighten the narrative of our piece.
See below for our response on the issue of policy.
Comment: The main weakness is that while all of this makes sense, it is not a new vision, and little specific evidence is presented to show how scientific knowledge about (for example) Earth’s deep history or the history of other worlds has tangible impact on seeing future directions for humanity.
Response: We argue that a push for the widespread acknowledgement of this perspective in the scientific community is novel. See below in our response to the second reviewer ("Indeed, similar opinions have been raised many times ..."). We are not suggesting tangible solutions, but rather a perspective to anchor future directions for humanity.
Comment: Are there examples where, for instance, predictive climate models have been significantly upgraded with such knowledge? How does the common ancestry of life on Earth inform us about biosphere function? What exactly might future exoplanet data tell us about choices for planetary environmental stability? A little more specificity throughout could help tighten the argument.
Response: See below for our response on the issue of prescribing specific policies or actions. We have also added a few more references to works that use exoplanet/solar-system data to inform our understanding of Earth. We have also added more references to prior writing on this vision, namely Frank (2018) and Grinspoon (2016).
Specific comments:
Comment: Line 9-10: “An entrenched…”: This is an important statement, but the article does not provide that counterpoint perspective (humans distinct from Nature) so that the reader is left to infer that the various statements about life's history and evolution and planetary processes negate that perspective. i.e. a problem is indicated but then not explicitly stated in the body of the article.
Response: The very reality of environmental crises unambiguously shows that humanity is acting as though it were distinct from Nature. A simple analogy is that no human would intentionally set their home on fire unless they believed they didn't need it. Planet Earth is humanity's only home. We recognize that we had merely implied this, and have now explicitly stated this reasoning to serve as a counterpoint perspective to our own.
Comment 16-17: “…partly because…”: This may be true but as stated is ambiguous: is it referring to improved knowledge about planet formation or alternate climate states, or something else? It is a statement that 'feels right' but without an elaboration on the basis is rather superficial.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing out this ambiguity. We were referring to the fact that with the discovery of exoplanets, and the relatively new deeper knowledge of solar system bodies, we can now contextualize the properties of our planet relative to others. We have other examples to compare it to, which is a jump forward in our self-awareness as a planetary species. We have eliminated the "partly because" language and added an explanatory sentence followed by examples of major questions that can now be seriously considered.
"For example, we can now consider the prevalence of Earth-like planets, the relationship between how planetary systems form and evolve and how likely they are to be hospitable to life, and the importance of host-star type."
Comment: 19-20: “possessed the fundamental”: This is a hypothesis or definition rather than a proven fact, so perhaps soften this statement - if a LUCA existed, as seems plausible, then it would have possessed...etc.
Response: LUCA by definition possessed the fundamental features of extant biology. We have changed the wording to "would have possessed."
Comment: 21: “harbored the potential”: What does this mean? As written it suggests a pre-instantiated potential or pattern, whereas most research would suggest that the systems of the first 'life' had the capacity to lead to the emergence or generation of further novelty.
Response: The entities / systems that resulted in biology must have had the potential to result in biology. This does not imply pre-instantiated potential, merely emergent potential. We have changed the language to eliminate any confusion.
"Our primary strategy for experimentally studying the origin of life in the laboratory is the understanding that however life started, its earliest features allowed for a pathway that lead to LUCA."
Comment: 32-33: “If we want to ensure…”: It's a plausible sounding statement - but it's also a bit empty of evidence, it is a hypothesis that seems reasonable but what exactly is it about this acknowledgement that would lead to a sustainable future? Can some hint of that or specific examples be given?
Response: This is the same issue as raised in the first comment above (Line 9-10). It is useless pushing for any movement on climate change, for example, if the majority of power structures do not acknowledge we belong to the same system within which climate change operates. Most scientists would presumably acknowledge that humans operate within the Earth-biosphere system, and yet we see almost no mainstream scientific effort to raise this issue among colleagues or with the public, let alone hammer it home. We argue that this failure is fatal because it is a logical and obvious prerequisite for wholesale action. The reality of these crises, right now, in our present moment, indicates that humanity as a whole does not acknowledge its intimate connection to the planet or the biosphere. This is a general argument, and we are seeking to make a point that does not require any specific policy positions.
"We do not argue that this acknowledgement will lead to a sustainable future, but rather that a sustainable future is impossible without it."
Comment: 42: “the products”: This is perhaps rather oversimplifying things, or at least missing the aspect of evolution that is perfectly fine erasing and reinventing functional forms and mechanisms. All species alive today exist as a snapshot within a long and constantly shifting landscape of evolution - should be careful not to suggest that everything today is somehow a special or 'ultimate' outcome.
Response: We agree and are keen to avoid any such misreading. We like the reviewer's language, and would like to incorporate it, with their permission.
"All species alive today are merely a snapshot within a long and constantly shifting landscape of evolution [...]"
Comment: 45-46: “Humans would not survive…”: Perhaps it is important to make this statement, but it reads as so self-evident as to not be profound at all.
Response: Emphasizing that we are inextricably embedded in an ancient biosphere is central to our piece. We have changed the wording from "life on Earth" to "a robust and resilient biosphere".
Comment: 51: “identify constituent gases”: Clarify that these constituent gases may serve as remotely detectable biosignatures.
Response: We have made this clarification.
Comment: 56-57: “test and validate…”: This is partially correct: we can use these observations to test the validity of these models in conditions that deviate from those of the modern Earth - checking whether the models capture climate processes in more 'extreme' or varied conditions than represented here.
Response: We have replaced "test and validate models of Earth's climate" with "test and validate climate models."
Comment: 62: “can guide policy decisions…”: The optimism is appreciated but is there a way to state this that is a little more nuanced - "could and should" rather than "can"?
Response: We have made the change, and it now reads: "could and should help guide policy decisions..."
Technical corrections:
Comment: Line 20: “primary tool” – suggest “primary strategy”
Response: We agree that this phrasing is more precise, and have incorporated the change.
Comment: 22-23: “chemistry into a durable biology” - suggest “transformed one chemical system into another that we associate with biology”
Response: We appreciate the clarity of the suggestion, but still want to emphasize the durability of the "chemistry we associate with biology": it is a self-propagating and continuously out-of-equilibrium chemistry that has persisted for billions of years. We have changed the phrase to "transformed one chemical system into that of a durable biology."
Comment: 32: “our instincts” – is this the right facility? Senses? Perceptions?
Response: We had not considered this subtle point. "Senses" best describes what we mean.
Comment: 36: “The result is homeostasis:” Perhaps more accurate to say something like "robust homeostasis" since homeostasis could exist in the absence of life (e.g. carbon-silicate cycle can form in an abiotic form).
Response: We agree, and this also fits with our broader arguments.
Comment: 43-44: “…we are a part of the planet…”: Sentence seems repetitive from previous statements.
Response: This sentence drives home our primary point.
Comment: 58: typo around exoplanets
Response: "(exo-)planets" invokes both exoplanets and planets of the solar system in one word. We have simply stated what we mean explicitly and written "exoplanets and the planets of the solar system."
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-299-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Raphaelle Haywood, 28 Jul 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-299', Carsten Herrmann-Pillath, 28 Jun 2023
After reading Caleb Scharf’s comment, I can focus on two additional aspects as I fully endorse this comment. Indeed, similar opinions have been raised many times, so the question is what the authors might add as new perspectives.
My first comment is on juxtaposing biosphere and humans. This gives sort of romantic and backward-looking picture of the Earth system which humans have transformed into a ‘hybrid planet’ (Frank et al., 2017). There is now a rich literature on the technosphere as newly emerging regulatory sphere of the Earth system (Donges et al., 2017). How should humans locate in this complicated relationship, which, after all, is one if not the defining feature of the Anthropocene? Just arguing that we are in control anyway, and hence simply including the technosphere into the human domain, is certainly wrong (Haff, 2014). The technosphere follows its own evolutionary trajectory. There are many ways how humans can design co-evolutionary regulatory mechanisms, such as in specific context as the recently propagated ‘nature-based solutions’ (Herrmann-Pillath et al., 2022). I think the opinion piece needs to add more concrete references to such topics which would allow to demonstrate practical consequences of the suggested change of perspectives for policies.
The second comment continues with pointing to the rich literature in the humanities dealing with ‘nature’. For example, environmental philosopher Vogel has radically deconstructed nature and widens the notion to include artefacts with higher systemic complexity, with matches with the previous comment (Vogel, 2015). Juxtaposing nature and humans reinstates the Western epistemologies of dividing subject and object. I cannot map this rich debate here (Braidotti, 2019), but just highlight one, which is inspired by a lifelong study of and engagement with native Australians, Povinelli’s concept of ‘geontopower’ (Povinelli, 2016). Such contributions reveal the fallacies of much of the Anthropocene debates among scientists: They overlook that we should not talk about ‘humans’ in general, but about those humans that were and still are responsible for the tragedy that we face. In other words, there is a deeply political dimension of the issues, related to questions such as whether and how we must radically change our economic system. Without facing such political realities, calls for arms (as Scharf uses the term) don’t know the enemy. Addressing ‘humans’ can even dilute responsibilities and factually protect the vested interests of the current system.
Braidotti, R., 2019. Posthuman knowledge. Polity, Medford, MA.
Donges, J.F., Lucht, W., Müller-Hansen, F., Steffen, W., 2017. The technosphere in Earth System analysis: A coevolutionary perspective. The Anthropocene Review 4, 23–33. https://doi.org/10.1177/2053019616676608
Frank, A., Kleidon, A., Alberti, M., 2017. Earth as a Hybrid Planet: The Anthropocene in an Evolutionary Astrobiological Context. Anthropocene 19, 13–21. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ancene.2017.08.002
Haff, P., 2014. Humans and technology in the Anthropocene: Six rules. The Anthropocene Review 1, 126–136. https://doi.org/10.1177/2053019614530575
Herrmann-Pillath, C., Hiedanpää, J., Soini, K., 2022. The co-evolutionary approach to nature-based solutions: A conceptual framework. Nature-Based Solutions 2, 100011. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.nbsj.2022.100011
Povinelli, E.A., 2016. Geontologies: a requiem to late liberalism. Duke University Press, Durham.
Vogel, S., 2015. Thinking like a mall: environmental philosophy after the end of nature. MIT Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-299-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Raphaelle Haywood, 28 Jul 2023
Comment: After reading Caleb Scharf’s comment, I can focus on two additional aspects as I fully endorse this comment.
Response: We addressed all of Caleb Scharf's comments above.
Comment: Indeed, similar opinions have been raised many times, so the question is what the authors might add as new perspectives. My first comment is on juxtaposing biosphere and humans. This gives sort of romantic and backward-looking picture of the Earth system which humans have transformed into a ‘hybrid planet’ (Frank et al., 2017).
Response: We do not juxtapose biosphere and humans. We argue that they are inextricable, and that humans are a part of the biosphere, not separate from it. Our new perspective is that origin of life, exoplanet, and Earth Systems Science research highlight that humans are enmeshed in the Earth's biosphere. Scientists engaged in these disciplines should use this perspective to contextualize environmental crises. A science-informed perspective that we are embedded in Nature is a powerful argument against self-harm: against harming Nature and therefore ourselves.
Comment: There is now a rich literature on the technosphere as newly emerging regulatory sphere of the Earth system (Donges et al., 2017). How should humans locate in this complicated relationship, which, after all, is one if not the defining feature of the Anthropocene?
Response: Our piece is not concerned with the technosphere, which we consider one of many ways humans affect the planetary environment. We locate entirely inside the biosphere. We argue that there is no escaping our planet and its history.
Comment: Just arguing that we are in control anyway, and hence simply including the technosphere into the human domain, is certainly wrong (Haff, 2014).
Response: We are not in control any more or less than any other form of life. We are a part of the Earth-life system, and therefore our actions affect it. The technosphere is a component of the biosphere domain. It is wholly a feature of biology on this planet. When humans go extinct, the technosphere will disappear (though its effects on the planet may persist, as have the effects of many previous forms of life).
Comment: The technosphere follows its own evolutionary trajectory. There are many ways how humans can design co-evolutionary regulatory mechanisms, such as in specific context as the recently propagated ‘nature-based solutions’ (Herrmann-Pillath et al., 2022). I think the opinion piece needs to add more concrete references to such topics which would allow to demonstrate practical consequences of the suggested change of perspectives for policies.
Response: We are not suggesting policies in this piece. Policies are not useful if scientific research about planetary crises is generally ignored, as is now the case. We argue that the perspective itself has value. We are calling our colleagues to acknowledge that this perspective emanates from their work, this understanding that humans are not beyond Nature and should therefore not exploit it. We do not want to be prescriptive because we invoke many disciplines with distinct intellectual traditions, and because the list of policies that flows from this perspective is vast, politically complex (see below), and well beyond the scope of this piece. Here, we aim to alert our colleagues to this connection between their work and environmental crises.
Comment: The second comment continues with pointing to the rich literature in the humanities dealing with ‘nature’. For example, environmental philosopher Vogel has radically deconstructed nature and widens the notion to include artefacts with higher systemic complexity, with matches with the previous comment (Vogel, 2015). Juxtaposing nature and humans reinstates the Western epistemologies of dividing subject and object.
Response: We are not reinstating the Western epistemologies of dividing subject and object. We are not making a division. Dominant power structures are making this division. Based on strictly scientific arguments, they shouldn't be. We welcome the future prospect of amplifying this message across disciplines insofar as other intellectual traditions point to the same conclusion. Our focus here is based on our expertise. Research about the history of life on Earth and the Earth-life system, and the astronomical perspective offered by exoplanet science all indicate that humans and the Earth-planet system are not distinct. This is our primary point.
Comment: I cannot map this rich debate here (Braidotti, 2019), but just highlight one, which is inspired by a lifelong study of and engagement with native Australians, Povinelli’s concept of ‘geontopower’ (Povinelli, 2016). Such contributions reveal the fallacies of much of the Anthropocene debates among scientists: They overlook that we should not talk about ‘humans’ in general, but about those humans that were and still are responsible for the tragedy that we face. In other words, there is a deeply political dimension of the issues, related to questions such as whether and how we must radically change our economic system. Without facing such political realities, calls for arms (as Scharf uses the term) don’t know the enemy. Addressing ‘humans’ can even dilute responsibilities and factually protect the vested interests of the current system.
Response: We agree with the fact that not every human is equally responsible for planetary crises. We are making a perspective statement: all humans are part of Nature, not separate from it. That's a different category of statement from one that assesses responsibility. However, our target audience is scientists. Scientists in general, and certainly scientists in the Global North and especially the West, are acutely responsible for these crises in complicated ways. Our opinion piece is implicitly political: we argue that scientists have a responsibility to use their privileged position and influence to consider and act on this perspective.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-299-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Raphaelle Haywood, 28 Jul 2023
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-299', Caleb Scharf, 24 Apr 2023
General comments:
This preprint is a short opinion and/or commentary on the relevance of the Earth Sciences, as well as evolutionary and astrobiological sciences, for driving a perspective that is described as critical for guiding human decisions that will determine our future longevity and the future of the Earth’s systems. It is a call for colleagues to harness this perspective and to connect their research to broader existential problems. In this sense it is not a research contribution per se.
While it offers a commendable ‘call-to-arms’ it presents a very limited argument in support of its primary contention that there is an entrenched conception of humans as distinct from Nature which hinders our most impactful decisions. It is mostly a collection of several talking points (life’s singular common ancestry, a Gaian planetary system, exoplanets and climates and life elsewhere) that are suggested as enabling a ‘compass’ for policy decisions and a narrative for guidance in global socio-economic issues.
The main weakness is that while all of this makes sense, it is not a new vision, and little specific evidence is presented to show how scientific knowledge about (for example) Earth’s deep history or the history of other worlds has tangible impact on seeing future directions for humanity. Are there examples where, for instance, predictive climate models have been significantly upgraded with such knowledge? How does the common ancestry of life on Earth inform us about biosphere function? What exactly might future exoplanet data tell us about choices for planetary environmental stability? A little more specificity throughout could help tighten the argument.
Specific comments:
Line 9-10: “An entrenched…”: This is an important statement, but the article does not provide that counterpoint perspective (humans distinct from Nature) so that the reader is left to infer that the various statements about life's history and evolution and planetary processes negate that perspective. i.e. a problem is indicated but then not explicitly stated in the body of the article.
16-17: “…partly because…”: This may be true but as stated is ambiguous: is it referring to improved knowledge about planet formation or alternate climate states, or something else? It is a statement that 'feels right' but without an elaboration on the basis is rather superficial.
19-20: “possessed the fundamental”: This is a hypothesis or definition rather than a proven fact, so perhaps soften this statement - if a LUCA existed, as seems plausible, then it would have possessed...etc.
21: “harbored the potential”: What does this mean? As written it suggests a pre-instantiated potential or pattern, whereas most research would suggest that the systems of the first 'life' had the capacity to lead to the emergence or generation of further novelty.
32-33: “If we want to ensure…”: It's a plausible sounding statement - but it's also a bit empty of evidence, it is a hypothesis that seems reasonable but what exactly is it about this acknowledgement that would lead to a sustainable future? Can some hint of that or specific examples be given?
42: “the products”: This is perhaps rather oversimplifying things, or at least missing the aspect of evolution that is perfectly fine erasing and reinventing functional forms and mechanisms. All species alive today exist as a snapshot within a long and constantly shifting landscape of evolution - should be careful not to suggest that everything today is somehow a special or 'ultimate' outcome.
45-46: “Humans would not survive…”: Perhaps it is important to make this statement, but it reads as so self-evident as to not be profound at all.
51: “identify constituent gases”: Clarify that these constituent gases may serve as remotely detectable biosignatures.
56-57: “test and validate…”: This is partially correct: we can use these observations to test the validity of these models in conditions that deviate from those of the modern Earth - checking whether the models capture climate processes in more 'extreme' or varied conditions than represented here.
62: “can guide policy decisions…”: The optimism is appreciated but is there a way to state this that is a little more nuanced - "could and should" rather than "can"?
Technical corrections:
Line 20: “primary tool” – suggest “primary strategy”
22-23: “chemistry into a durable biology”-à suggest “transformed one chemical system into another that we associate with biology”
32: “our instincts” – is this the right facility? Senses? Perceptions?
36: “The result is homeostasis:” à Perhaps more accurate to say something like "robust homeostasis" since homeostasis could exist in the absence of life (e.g. carbon-silicate cycle can form in an abiotic form).
43-44: “…we are a part of the planet…”: Sentence seems repetitive from previous statements.
58: typo around exoplanets
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-299-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Raphaelle Haywood, 28 Jul 2023
Overall Response: We thank both reviewers for their thoughtful comments. We have made revisions to address specific issues, and added an introductory paragraph to address general concerns. Our piece is now more clear about its target audience and aims, and we have also changed the title to reflect this.
General comments:
This preprint is a short opinion and/or commentary on the relevance of the Earth Sciences, as well as evolutionary and astrobiological sciences, for driving a perspective that is described as critical for guiding human decisions that will determine our future longevity and the future of the Earth’s systems. It is a call for colleagues to harness this perspective and to connect their research to broader existential problems. In this sense it is not a research contribution per se.
Comment: While it offers a commendable ‘call-to-arms’ it presents a very limited argument in support of its primary contention that there is an entrenched conception of humans as distinct from Nature which hinders our most impactful decisions.
Response: See below ("Line 9-10").
Comment: It is mostly a collection of several talking points (life’s singular common ancestry, a Gaian planetary system, exoplanets and climates and life elsewhere) that are suggested as enabling a ‘compass’ for policy decisions and a narrative for guidance in global socio-economic issues.
Response: We have added connecting sentences throughout to more explicitly tie these points together and tighten the narrative of our piece.
See below for our response on the issue of policy.
Comment: The main weakness is that while all of this makes sense, it is not a new vision, and little specific evidence is presented to show how scientific knowledge about (for example) Earth’s deep history or the history of other worlds has tangible impact on seeing future directions for humanity.
Response: We argue that a push for the widespread acknowledgement of this perspective in the scientific community is novel. See below in our response to the second reviewer ("Indeed, similar opinions have been raised many times ..."). We are not suggesting tangible solutions, but rather a perspective to anchor future directions for humanity.
Comment: Are there examples where, for instance, predictive climate models have been significantly upgraded with such knowledge? How does the common ancestry of life on Earth inform us about biosphere function? What exactly might future exoplanet data tell us about choices for planetary environmental stability? A little more specificity throughout could help tighten the argument.
Response: See below for our response on the issue of prescribing specific policies or actions. We have also added a few more references to works that use exoplanet/solar-system data to inform our understanding of Earth. We have also added more references to prior writing on this vision, namely Frank (2018) and Grinspoon (2016).
Specific comments:
Comment: Line 9-10: “An entrenched…”: This is an important statement, but the article does not provide that counterpoint perspective (humans distinct from Nature) so that the reader is left to infer that the various statements about life's history and evolution and planetary processes negate that perspective. i.e. a problem is indicated but then not explicitly stated in the body of the article.
Response: The very reality of environmental crises unambiguously shows that humanity is acting as though it were distinct from Nature. A simple analogy is that no human would intentionally set their home on fire unless they believed they didn't need it. Planet Earth is humanity's only home. We recognize that we had merely implied this, and have now explicitly stated this reasoning to serve as a counterpoint perspective to our own.
Comment 16-17: “…partly because…”: This may be true but as stated is ambiguous: is it referring to improved knowledge about planet formation or alternate climate states, or something else? It is a statement that 'feels right' but without an elaboration on the basis is rather superficial.
Response: We thank the reviewer for pointing out this ambiguity. We were referring to the fact that with the discovery of exoplanets, and the relatively new deeper knowledge of solar system bodies, we can now contextualize the properties of our planet relative to others. We have other examples to compare it to, which is a jump forward in our self-awareness as a planetary species. We have eliminated the "partly because" language and added an explanatory sentence followed by examples of major questions that can now be seriously considered.
"For example, we can now consider the prevalence of Earth-like planets, the relationship between how planetary systems form and evolve and how likely they are to be hospitable to life, and the importance of host-star type."
Comment: 19-20: “possessed the fundamental”: This is a hypothesis or definition rather than a proven fact, so perhaps soften this statement - if a LUCA existed, as seems plausible, then it would have possessed...etc.
Response: LUCA by definition possessed the fundamental features of extant biology. We have changed the wording to "would have possessed."
Comment: 21: “harbored the potential”: What does this mean? As written it suggests a pre-instantiated potential or pattern, whereas most research would suggest that the systems of the first 'life' had the capacity to lead to the emergence or generation of further novelty.
Response: The entities / systems that resulted in biology must have had the potential to result in biology. This does not imply pre-instantiated potential, merely emergent potential. We have changed the language to eliminate any confusion.
"Our primary strategy for experimentally studying the origin of life in the laboratory is the understanding that however life started, its earliest features allowed for a pathway that lead to LUCA."
Comment: 32-33: “If we want to ensure…”: It's a plausible sounding statement - but it's also a bit empty of evidence, it is a hypothesis that seems reasonable but what exactly is it about this acknowledgement that would lead to a sustainable future? Can some hint of that or specific examples be given?
Response: This is the same issue as raised in the first comment above (Line 9-10). It is useless pushing for any movement on climate change, for example, if the majority of power structures do not acknowledge we belong to the same system within which climate change operates. Most scientists would presumably acknowledge that humans operate within the Earth-biosphere system, and yet we see almost no mainstream scientific effort to raise this issue among colleagues or with the public, let alone hammer it home. We argue that this failure is fatal because it is a logical and obvious prerequisite for wholesale action. The reality of these crises, right now, in our present moment, indicates that humanity as a whole does not acknowledge its intimate connection to the planet or the biosphere. This is a general argument, and we are seeking to make a point that does not require any specific policy positions.
"We do not argue that this acknowledgement will lead to a sustainable future, but rather that a sustainable future is impossible without it."
Comment: 42: “the products”: This is perhaps rather oversimplifying things, or at least missing the aspect of evolution that is perfectly fine erasing and reinventing functional forms and mechanisms. All species alive today exist as a snapshot within a long and constantly shifting landscape of evolution - should be careful not to suggest that everything today is somehow a special or 'ultimate' outcome.
Response: We agree and are keen to avoid any such misreading. We like the reviewer's language, and would like to incorporate it, with their permission.
"All species alive today are merely a snapshot within a long and constantly shifting landscape of evolution [...]"
Comment: 45-46: “Humans would not survive…”: Perhaps it is important to make this statement, but it reads as so self-evident as to not be profound at all.
Response: Emphasizing that we are inextricably embedded in an ancient biosphere is central to our piece. We have changed the wording from "life on Earth" to "a robust and resilient biosphere".
Comment: 51: “identify constituent gases”: Clarify that these constituent gases may serve as remotely detectable biosignatures.
Response: We have made this clarification.
Comment: 56-57: “test and validate…”: This is partially correct: we can use these observations to test the validity of these models in conditions that deviate from those of the modern Earth - checking whether the models capture climate processes in more 'extreme' or varied conditions than represented here.
Response: We have replaced "test and validate models of Earth's climate" with "test and validate climate models."
Comment: 62: “can guide policy decisions…”: The optimism is appreciated but is there a way to state this that is a little more nuanced - "could and should" rather than "can"?
Response: We have made the change, and it now reads: "could and should help guide policy decisions..."
Technical corrections:
Comment: Line 20: “primary tool” – suggest “primary strategy”
Response: We agree that this phrasing is more precise, and have incorporated the change.
Comment: 22-23: “chemistry into a durable biology” - suggest “transformed one chemical system into another that we associate with biology”
Response: We appreciate the clarity of the suggestion, but still want to emphasize the durability of the "chemistry we associate with biology": it is a self-propagating and continuously out-of-equilibrium chemistry that has persisted for billions of years. We have changed the phrase to "transformed one chemical system into that of a durable biology."
Comment: 32: “our instincts” – is this the right facility? Senses? Perceptions?
Response: We had not considered this subtle point. "Senses" best describes what we mean.
Comment: 36: “The result is homeostasis:” Perhaps more accurate to say something like "robust homeostasis" since homeostasis could exist in the absence of life (e.g. carbon-silicate cycle can form in an abiotic form).
Response: We agree, and this also fits with our broader arguments.
Comment: 43-44: “…we are a part of the planet…”: Sentence seems repetitive from previous statements.
Response: This sentence drives home our primary point.
Comment: 58: typo around exoplanets
Response: "(exo-)planets" invokes both exoplanets and planets of the solar system in one word. We have simply stated what we mean explicitly and written "exoplanets and the planets of the solar system."
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-299-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Raphaelle Haywood, 28 Jul 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-299', Carsten Herrmann-Pillath, 28 Jun 2023
After reading Caleb Scharf’s comment, I can focus on two additional aspects as I fully endorse this comment. Indeed, similar opinions have been raised many times, so the question is what the authors might add as new perspectives.
My first comment is on juxtaposing biosphere and humans. This gives sort of romantic and backward-looking picture of the Earth system which humans have transformed into a ‘hybrid planet’ (Frank et al., 2017). There is now a rich literature on the technosphere as newly emerging regulatory sphere of the Earth system (Donges et al., 2017). How should humans locate in this complicated relationship, which, after all, is one if not the defining feature of the Anthropocene? Just arguing that we are in control anyway, and hence simply including the technosphere into the human domain, is certainly wrong (Haff, 2014). The technosphere follows its own evolutionary trajectory. There are many ways how humans can design co-evolutionary regulatory mechanisms, such as in specific context as the recently propagated ‘nature-based solutions’ (Herrmann-Pillath et al., 2022). I think the opinion piece needs to add more concrete references to such topics which would allow to demonstrate practical consequences of the suggested change of perspectives for policies.
The second comment continues with pointing to the rich literature in the humanities dealing with ‘nature’. For example, environmental philosopher Vogel has radically deconstructed nature and widens the notion to include artefacts with higher systemic complexity, with matches with the previous comment (Vogel, 2015). Juxtaposing nature and humans reinstates the Western epistemologies of dividing subject and object. I cannot map this rich debate here (Braidotti, 2019), but just highlight one, which is inspired by a lifelong study of and engagement with native Australians, Povinelli’s concept of ‘geontopower’ (Povinelli, 2016). Such contributions reveal the fallacies of much of the Anthropocene debates among scientists: They overlook that we should not talk about ‘humans’ in general, but about those humans that were and still are responsible for the tragedy that we face. In other words, there is a deeply political dimension of the issues, related to questions such as whether and how we must radically change our economic system. Without facing such political realities, calls for arms (as Scharf uses the term) don’t know the enemy. Addressing ‘humans’ can even dilute responsibilities and factually protect the vested interests of the current system.
Braidotti, R., 2019. Posthuman knowledge. Polity, Medford, MA.
Donges, J.F., Lucht, W., Müller-Hansen, F., Steffen, W., 2017. The technosphere in Earth System analysis: A coevolutionary perspective. The Anthropocene Review 4, 23–33. https://doi.org/10.1177/2053019616676608
Frank, A., Kleidon, A., Alberti, M., 2017. Earth as a Hybrid Planet: The Anthropocene in an Evolutionary Astrobiological Context. Anthropocene 19, 13–21. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ancene.2017.08.002
Haff, P., 2014. Humans and technology in the Anthropocene: Six rules. The Anthropocene Review 1, 126–136. https://doi.org/10.1177/2053019614530575
Herrmann-Pillath, C., Hiedanpää, J., Soini, K., 2022. The co-evolutionary approach to nature-based solutions: A conceptual framework. Nature-Based Solutions 2, 100011. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.nbsj.2022.100011
Povinelli, E.A., 2016. Geontologies: a requiem to late liberalism. Duke University Press, Durham.
Vogel, S., 2015. Thinking like a mall: environmental philosophy after the end of nature. MIT Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Raphaelle Haywood, 28 Jul 2023
Comment: After reading Caleb Scharf’s comment, I can focus on two additional aspects as I fully endorse this comment.
Response: We addressed all of Caleb Scharf's comments above.
Comment: Indeed, similar opinions have been raised many times, so the question is what the authors might add as new perspectives. My first comment is on juxtaposing biosphere and humans. This gives sort of romantic and backward-looking picture of the Earth system which humans have transformed into a ‘hybrid planet’ (Frank et al., 2017).
Response: We do not juxtapose biosphere and humans. We argue that they are inextricable, and that humans are a part of the biosphere, not separate from it. Our new perspective is that origin of life, exoplanet, and Earth Systems Science research highlight that humans are enmeshed in the Earth's biosphere. Scientists engaged in these disciplines should use this perspective to contextualize environmental crises. A science-informed perspective that we are embedded in Nature is a powerful argument against self-harm: against harming Nature and therefore ourselves.
Comment: There is now a rich literature on the technosphere as newly emerging regulatory sphere of the Earth system (Donges et al., 2017). How should humans locate in this complicated relationship, which, after all, is one if not the defining feature of the Anthropocene?
Response: Our piece is not concerned with the technosphere, which we consider one of many ways humans affect the planetary environment. We locate entirely inside the biosphere. We argue that there is no escaping our planet and its history.
Comment: Just arguing that we are in control anyway, and hence simply including the technosphere into the human domain, is certainly wrong (Haff, 2014).
Response: We are not in control any more or less than any other form of life. We are a part of the Earth-life system, and therefore our actions affect it. The technosphere is a component of the biosphere domain. It is wholly a feature of biology on this planet. When humans go extinct, the technosphere will disappear (though its effects on the planet may persist, as have the effects of many previous forms of life).
Comment: The technosphere follows its own evolutionary trajectory. There are many ways how humans can design co-evolutionary regulatory mechanisms, such as in specific context as the recently propagated ‘nature-based solutions’ (Herrmann-Pillath et al., 2022). I think the opinion piece needs to add more concrete references to such topics which would allow to demonstrate practical consequences of the suggested change of perspectives for policies.
Response: We are not suggesting policies in this piece. Policies are not useful if scientific research about planetary crises is generally ignored, as is now the case. We argue that the perspective itself has value. We are calling our colleagues to acknowledge that this perspective emanates from their work, this understanding that humans are not beyond Nature and should therefore not exploit it. We do not want to be prescriptive because we invoke many disciplines with distinct intellectual traditions, and because the list of policies that flows from this perspective is vast, politically complex (see below), and well beyond the scope of this piece. Here, we aim to alert our colleagues to this connection between their work and environmental crises.
Comment: The second comment continues with pointing to the rich literature in the humanities dealing with ‘nature’. For example, environmental philosopher Vogel has radically deconstructed nature and widens the notion to include artefacts with higher systemic complexity, with matches with the previous comment (Vogel, 2015). Juxtaposing nature and humans reinstates the Western epistemologies of dividing subject and object.
Response: We are not reinstating the Western epistemologies of dividing subject and object. We are not making a division. Dominant power structures are making this division. Based on strictly scientific arguments, they shouldn't be. We welcome the future prospect of amplifying this message across disciplines insofar as other intellectual traditions point to the same conclusion. Our focus here is based on our expertise. Research about the history of life on Earth and the Earth-life system, and the astronomical perspective offered by exoplanet science all indicate that humans and the Earth-planet system are not distinct. This is our primary point.
Comment: I cannot map this rich debate here (Braidotti, 2019), but just highlight one, which is inspired by a lifelong study of and engagement with native Australians, Povinelli’s concept of ‘geontopower’ (Povinelli, 2016). Such contributions reveal the fallacies of much of the Anthropocene debates among scientists: They overlook that we should not talk about ‘humans’ in general, but about those humans that were and still are responsible for the tragedy that we face. In other words, there is a deeply political dimension of the issues, related to questions such as whether and how we must radically change our economic system. Without facing such political realities, calls for arms (as Scharf uses the term) don’t know the enemy. Addressing ‘humans’ can even dilute responsibilities and factually protect the vested interests of the current system.
Response: We agree with the fact that not every human is equally responsible for planetary crises. We are making a perspective statement: all humans are part of Nature, not separate from it. That's a different category of statement from one that assesses responsibility. However, our target audience is scientists. Scientists in general, and certainly scientists in the Global North and especially the West, are acutely responsible for these crises in complicated ways. Our opinion piece is implicitly political: we argue that scientists have a responsibility to use their privileged position and influence to consider and act on this perspective.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-299-AC2
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