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Tipping of the double-diffusive regime in the Southern Adriatic pit in 2017 in connection with record high salinity values
Abstract. Whenever salinity decreases with depth the water column is either unstable or in a state called salt fingering (SF), which exhibits increased vertical mixing. Analysis of a high-frequency time series of thermohaline data measured at the EMSO-E2M3A Regional Facility in the Southern Adriatic Pit (SAP) from 2014 to 2019 reveal that in the south Adriatic SF is the dominant regime. The same time series shows the presence of a very saline core of the Levantine Intermediate Water that penetrated with unprecedented strength during the winter of 2016/17 at around 550 dbar and even higher salinity water above. The effect of strong heat loss at the surface during that winter allowed deep convection to transport this high salinity water from the intermediate to the deep layers within the pit. This resulted in an increase in SF throughout the water column. In the subsurface layer (350 to 550 dbar) the increase is from 27 % to 72 % of observations. Consequently, we observe an alteration of vertical stratification throughout the water column during winter 2016/17, from a stratified water column to an almost homogeneous water column down to 700 dbar, with no return in the following years.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2481', Anonymous Referee #1, 21 Nov 2023
The manuscript provides some calculations on the double diffusion or salt fingering processes in the Southern Adriatic Pit, which were somehow missing till now in the literature, although known to occur in the Adriatic and Mediterranean. The authors use long-term fixed mooring, in contrast to majority of similar studies which are based on the Argo profiling floats. I found the manuscript clearly written, focused and well organised, with just a few minor comments to raise:
- Fig. 1. The figure is hard to read, for example positions of Argo profiling float. It might be better to have 2-D plot with clear colours, e.g. blue for bathymetry, dashed arrows for deep currents, etc.
- Lines 106-111. The authors claim that introduction of VL variable in this study is something innovative. However, I cannot get this from the manuscript - maybe to explain or justify this (Why is innovative? Maybe a bit better explain the variable), here or in results where you present the variable.
- Figs A2 to A5 might be better to place as supplementary material, not to weighten the article as appendix, Fig. A1 looks nice and would be better to be placed in the main article.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2481-RC1 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2481/egusphere-2023-2481-AC2-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2481', Anonymous Referee #2, 19 Dec 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2481/egusphere-2023-2481-RC2-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2481/egusphere-2023-2481-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2481', Anonymous Referee #3, 21 Dec 2023
The manuscript analyses a temperature and salinity dataset, obtained from a mooring in the southern Adriatic, at seven depth levels from surface to bottom, from November 2014 to October 2019. With the help of additional data from ECMWF and Copernicus and the profiles of an Argo float, the authors describe the evolution of thermohaline properties in the water column, relating them to heat fluxes at the air-sea surface, and analysing them towards other variables, such as mixed layer depth, relative vorticity and Turner angle.
Unfortunately, the study contains improper generalizations and some inaccuracies, already highlighted in particular by reviewer 2. Among these, the most serious is the recurring confusion between "predisposition to" and "occurrence of" salt fingering process, and a somewhat forced use of the Turner angle, compared to its original definition (Ruddick, 1983). Many arguments are based on this confusion and are therefore far from being proven valid.
In my opinion, for possible publication, the work requires further analysis or a new goal setting, considering that double diffusion processes, and SF in particular, are the core theme of the present study.
Below are some comments in addition to what the other two reviewers have already noted.
Line 7. The opening sentence of the abstract contains a dubious generalization. Perhaps salinity was confused with density?
Line 41. Durante et al. (2019) did not use Argo data but CTD profiles from cruises. A more appropriate reference for this topic is Taillandier et al. (Biogeosciences 17, 3343–3366. doi: 10.5194/bg-17-3343-2020) who used CTD and ARGO profiles, from the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Algerian Basin.
Line 93. “In order to explore if the water column was undergoing double-diffusive convection and its related local stability we estimated the Turner angle”. Wrong approach: with Tu you only evaluate whether the water column is inclined to a given regime and do not demonstrate its actual presence.
Line 95. Equation 2: missing brackets make the formula incorrect
Line 106. A reference is missing for the vector length (VL). If it is your original introduction of a new analysis parameter you must explain it better.
Lines 118-120. Can you explain better how you calculate geostrophic velocities and RV? Which dataset do you use? Perhaps something should be guessed from the figures A2-A7, but these also require some explanation.
Line 263. Instead of Durante et al. (2019), I would cite Durante et al. (2021, Front. Mar. Sci. 8:672437. doi: 10.3389/fmars.2021.672437) which is more appropriate in the context of fluxes.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2481-RC3 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2481/egusphere-2023-2481-AC3-supplement.pdf
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2481', Anonymous Referee #1, 21 Nov 2023
The manuscript provides some calculations on the double diffusion or salt fingering processes in the Southern Adriatic Pit, which were somehow missing till now in the literature, although known to occur in the Adriatic and Mediterranean. The authors use long-term fixed mooring, in contrast to majority of similar studies which are based on the Argo profiling floats. I found the manuscript clearly written, focused and well organised, with just a few minor comments to raise:
- Fig. 1. The figure is hard to read, for example positions of Argo profiling float. It might be better to have 2-D plot with clear colours, e.g. blue for bathymetry, dashed arrows for deep currents, etc.
- Lines 106-111. The authors claim that introduction of VL variable in this study is something innovative. However, I cannot get this from the manuscript - maybe to explain or justify this (Why is innovative? Maybe a bit better explain the variable), here or in results where you present the variable.
- Figs A2 to A5 might be better to place as supplementary material, not to weighten the article as appendix, Fig. A1 looks nice and would be better to be placed in the main article.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2481-RC1 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2481/egusphere-2023-2481-AC2-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2481', Anonymous Referee #2, 19 Dec 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2481/egusphere-2023-2481-RC2-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2481/egusphere-2023-2481-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2481', Anonymous Referee #3, 21 Dec 2023
The manuscript analyses a temperature and salinity dataset, obtained from a mooring in the southern Adriatic, at seven depth levels from surface to bottom, from November 2014 to October 2019. With the help of additional data from ECMWF and Copernicus and the profiles of an Argo float, the authors describe the evolution of thermohaline properties in the water column, relating them to heat fluxes at the air-sea surface, and analysing them towards other variables, such as mixed layer depth, relative vorticity and Turner angle.
Unfortunately, the study contains improper generalizations and some inaccuracies, already highlighted in particular by reviewer 2. Among these, the most serious is the recurring confusion between "predisposition to" and "occurrence of" salt fingering process, and a somewhat forced use of the Turner angle, compared to its original definition (Ruddick, 1983). Many arguments are based on this confusion and are therefore far from being proven valid.
In my opinion, for possible publication, the work requires further analysis or a new goal setting, considering that double diffusion processes, and SF in particular, are the core theme of the present study.
Below are some comments in addition to what the other two reviewers have already noted.
Line 7. The opening sentence of the abstract contains a dubious generalization. Perhaps salinity was confused with density?
Line 41. Durante et al. (2019) did not use Argo data but CTD profiles from cruises. A more appropriate reference for this topic is Taillandier et al. (Biogeosciences 17, 3343–3366. doi: 10.5194/bg-17-3343-2020) who used CTD and ARGO profiles, from the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Algerian Basin.
Line 93. “In order to explore if the water column was undergoing double-diffusive convection and its related local stability we estimated the Turner angle”. Wrong approach: with Tu you only evaluate whether the water column is inclined to a given regime and do not demonstrate its actual presence.
Line 95. Equation 2: missing brackets make the formula incorrect
Line 106. A reference is missing for the vector length (VL). If it is your original introduction of a new analysis parameter you must explain it better.
Lines 118-120. Can you explain better how you calculate geostrophic velocities and RV? Which dataset do you use? Perhaps something should be guessed from the figures A2-A7, but these also require some explanation.
Line 263. Instead of Durante et al. (2019), I would cite Durante et al. (2021, Front. Mar. Sci. 8:672437. doi: 10.3389/fmars.2021.672437) which is more appropriate in the context of fluxes.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-2481-RC3 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-2481/egusphere-2023-2481-AC3-supplement.pdf
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AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Vanessa Cardin, 19 Jan 2024
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