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Uncertainties in forecast surface mass balance outweigh uncertainties in basal sliding descriptions for 21st Century mass loss from three major Greenland outlet glaciers
Abstract. The Greenland Ice Sheet contributed 10.6 mm to global sea level rise between 1992 and 2018 and is projected to be the largest glacial contributor to sea level rise by 2100. Here, we assess the relative importance of two major sources of uncertainty in 21st century ice loss projections: 1) the choice of sliding law and 2) the surface mass balance (SMB) forecast. Specifically, we used the ice flow model Úa to conduct an ensemble of runs for 48 combinations of sliding law and SMB forecast for three major Greenland outlet glaciers with differing characteristics (Kangerlussuaq [KG], Humboldt [HU] and Petermann [PG] glaciers) and evaluated how the importance of these uncertainties varied between the study glaciers. Overall, our results show that SMB forecasts were responsible for 4.45 mm of the variability in sea level rise by 2100, compared to 0.33 mm SLE due to sliding law. HU had the largest absolute contribution to sea level rise and the largest range (2.16 to 7.96 mm SLE), followed by PG (0.84 and 5.42 mm SLE), and these glaciers showed similar patterns of ice loss across the SMB forecasts and sliding laws. KG had the lowest range and absolute values (-0.60 to 3.45 mm SLE) of sea level rise and the magnitude of mass loss by SMB forecast differed markedly from HU and PG. Our results highlight SMB forecasts as a key focus for improving estimates of Greenland’s contribution to 21st century sea level rise.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1759', Stephen Cornford, 31 Oct 2023
Carr et al describe numerical simulations of three major Greenland glaciers from the present day to 2100. For each glacier an ensemble of simulations is constructed by varying (a) the climate (via the surface mass balance) according to published future projections, and (b) the physics approximation of sliding at the ice bed. All simulations begin with ice thickness and velocity in line with present day observations. They conclude that their variation in sliding physics has a far lower impact on future sea level rise than their variation in SMB. I would argue that this is model sensitivity rather than uncertainty, without observational calibration of the evolution, but the same language of uncertainty crops up elsewhere
The experiments make sense as modelling studies, and the conclusions are justified (although differing from one paper, which is discussed) but an important sliding law has been omitted. This is the regularized Coulomb law (e.g Joughin 2019), which is related to the Schoof and Tsai rules that are discussed, but produces Coulomb-like sliding over a wider region of a typical glacier. It might make little difference, but should be considered. It is particularly important because it agrees most with time-dependent satellite observations in some regions (which is also worth noting in the introduction)
I understood the paper in general although there are a small number of typos/grammar errors.
Specific comments
Fig 3 is a good figure, but the labels are small.
Figures 5,6,7,8 repeat the same data shown in Fig 4. It is not obvious to me that they serve a purpose. At the same time, other useful figures, e.g plots of the model initial state vs observations are not included.
Please do not name a ‘Cornford’ sliding law (line 90, 130 and elsewhere). It appears in earlier work (which is cited in both the Cornford and Asay-Davies papers mentioned), and Cornford certainly makes no claim to it . It will also be useful to say something about the physical meaning of each law when they are introduced
Eq 2: use the same conventions as eq 1 and eq 3 (\tau ^B_b to match \tau ^W -b)
Eq 7 : looks incorrect, as though the second term inside the integral has been copy-pasted from the first and then not edited in some way.
L202: ‘fully converged’ : really? That is unusual, if not impossible. Was there a stopping criterion?
References
Joughin I, Smith BE, Schoof CG. Regularized Coulomb Friction Laws for Ice Sheet Sliding: Application to Pine Island Glacier, Antarctica. Geophys Res Lett. 2019 May 16;46(9):4764-4771. doi: 10.1029/2019GL082526. Epub 2019 May 13. PMID: 31244498; PMCID: PMC6582595.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1759-RC1 - AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Rachel Carr, 11 Dec 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1759', Anonymous Referee #2, 06 Nov 2023
- AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Rachel Carr, 11 Dec 2023
Interactive discussion
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1759', Stephen Cornford, 31 Oct 2023
Carr et al describe numerical simulations of three major Greenland glaciers from the present day to 2100. For each glacier an ensemble of simulations is constructed by varying (a) the climate (via the surface mass balance) according to published future projections, and (b) the physics approximation of sliding at the ice bed. All simulations begin with ice thickness and velocity in line with present day observations. They conclude that their variation in sliding physics has a far lower impact on future sea level rise than their variation in SMB. I would argue that this is model sensitivity rather than uncertainty, without observational calibration of the evolution, but the same language of uncertainty crops up elsewhere
The experiments make sense as modelling studies, and the conclusions are justified (although differing from one paper, which is discussed) but an important sliding law has been omitted. This is the regularized Coulomb law (e.g Joughin 2019), which is related to the Schoof and Tsai rules that are discussed, but produces Coulomb-like sliding over a wider region of a typical glacier. It might make little difference, but should be considered. It is particularly important because it agrees most with time-dependent satellite observations in some regions (which is also worth noting in the introduction)
I understood the paper in general although there are a small number of typos/grammar errors.
Specific comments
Fig 3 is a good figure, but the labels are small.
Figures 5,6,7,8 repeat the same data shown in Fig 4. It is not obvious to me that they serve a purpose. At the same time, other useful figures, e.g plots of the model initial state vs observations are not included.
Please do not name a ‘Cornford’ sliding law (line 90, 130 and elsewhere). It appears in earlier work (which is cited in both the Cornford and Asay-Davies papers mentioned), and Cornford certainly makes no claim to it . It will also be useful to say something about the physical meaning of each law when they are introduced
Eq 2: use the same conventions as eq 1 and eq 3 (\tau ^B_b to match \tau ^W -b)
Eq 7 : looks incorrect, as though the second term inside the integral has been copy-pasted from the first and then not edited in some way.
L202: ‘fully converged’ : really? That is unusual, if not impossible. Was there a stopping criterion?
References
Joughin I, Smith BE, Schoof CG. Regularized Coulomb Friction Laws for Ice Sheet Sliding: Application to Pine Island Glacier, Antarctica. Geophys Res Lett. 2019 May 16;46(9):4764-4771. doi: 10.1029/2019GL082526. Epub 2019 May 13. PMID: 31244498; PMCID: PMC6582595.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1759-RC1 - AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Rachel Carr, 11 Dec 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1759', Anonymous Referee #2, 06 Nov 2023
- AC1: 'Reply on RC2', Rachel Carr, 11 Dec 2023
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