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What Drives Plate Motion?
Yongfeng Yang
Abstract. Plate motion is a remarkable Earth process that is widely ascribed to two primary driving forces: ridge push and slab pull. With the release of the first- and second-order stress fields in 1989, it was found that the observed stresses are mainly distributed on the uppermost brittle part of the lithosphere. A modeling analysis, however, reveals that the stress produced by ridge push is mainly distributed in the lower part of the lithosphere. Doglioni and Panza recently showed that slab pull was inconsistent with the geometry and kinematics of plate. These findings suggest that other force is possibly responsible for plate motion and the observed stress. Here, we propose that the pressure of deep ocean water against the continental wall exerts enormous force (i.e., ocean-generated force) on the continent. The continent is fixed on top of the lithosphere, this attachment allows the ocean-generated force to laterally transfer to the lithospheric plate. We show that this force may combine the ridge push, collisional, and shearing forces to form force balances for the lithospheric plate; the calculated movements for the South American, African, North American, Eurasian, Australian, and Pacific plates are well consistent with the observed movements in both speed and azimuth, the RMS of the calculated speed against the observed speed for these plates is 0.91, 3.76, 2.77, 2.31, 7.43, and 1.95 mm/yr, respectively.
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1458', Chuanliang Li, 01 Sep 2023
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This is not a physically viable hypothesis.
Because the density of the continents is larger than the density of water, it is the continents that would push the water, not the other way around. Even if the authors do a first order calculation of the ocean-generated force per unit area (F = drho*g*z^2, drho = 2800-1000 kg/m^3, g = 9.81 m/s^2 and z = 5000 m), the force is 4e11 N/m (directed from the continent to the water), which is an order of magnitude less than the ridge push force (~2.5e12 N/m) and 2 orders of magnitude less than the slab pull force (~30e12 N/m). So, this is not a first order contribution to the plate force balance.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1458-CC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on CC1', Yongfeng Yang, 06 Sep 2023
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We sincerely thank CC1 for providing these comments on this manuscript. We have carefully prepared a response letter to these comments (see supplement of this post). We would be glad to respond to any further questions and comments that you may have.
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CC2: 'Reply on AC1', Chuanliang Li, 15 Sep 2023
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My concerns have been addressed. The interaction of the Earth’s crust and ocean remains poorly understand for us, the author’s argument provides a good starting point for this issue. I would suggest author to refine the argument in the revised manuscript to excitate readers.
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AC2: 'Reply on CC2', Yongfeng Yang, 18 Sep 2023
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Thank CC2 very much for this continuous concern on our work. We accept your advice to revise the manuscript accordingly.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1458-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on CC2', Yongfeng Yang, 18 Sep 2023
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CC2: 'Reply on AC1', Chuanliang Li, 15 Sep 2023
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AC1: 'Reply on CC1', Yongfeng Yang, 06 Sep 2023
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1458', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Oct 2023
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This is a very ambitious paper that aims to reconsider and advocate against most of the papers that have discussed the equilibrium of plate tectonics. The goal is also to reconsider the effect of tides on plate motions (and on seismicity) and to propose a scenario for the initiation of plate tectonics.
The author insists that "mantle convection had been given up by most of geophysicists" and "mantle convection cannot be realistic". I am not totally sure what he means by that, probably that convection cannot explain plate tectonic? (although various papers involving Schmalzl, Bercovici, Tackley, Coltice... provided mantle convection models with self generated plates). I hope he does not think that mantle convection does not exist.
The paper is very long and, for me, very difficult to follow. The concepts are often unclear. The very large bibliography is always presented as confirming the author ideas even though I would say that they often oppose his ideas.
I was really unable to understand exactly the theory itself; the "plates" and the "forces" are not clearly defined. For exemple, the author says that the pressure on a continent, due to the ocean, is larger when the ocean is deeper, and he seems to interpret this observation as "a deep ocean pushes the continent". However, it is obvious than the crust/lithosphere has to be thicker on the side of the shallow ocean and it is rather this side, where the shallow ocean is present, that pushes the continent (i.e; continents tend to extend over the oceans). When the objects on which forces are applied are not properly defined, it is difficult to write correct force balances.
I had also difficulties with the numerical applications. To take an exemple, around lines 700. Yongfeng Yang computes an "ocean force" F_AR= 0.245e12 N/m for a d=5 km ocean. I would compute this force as 1/2 rho g d^2=0.1225e12 N/m. I may be wrong but it seems that a factor 1/2 is missing. The same factor seems to be also missing in F_AL (the opposite force of a shallow ocean of 3km), and of course on the resulting force F_AR-F_AL (Yongfeng Yang uses 0.1568e12 N/m when it should be 0.0784e12 N/m).
But already 5 km is an unrealistically large depth: the average depth of oceans is only 3.7 km and people looking for a potential 'dynamic topography, do not seem to see any difference in ocean bathymetries larger than say 1 km (and this is already a very generous value, by isostasy a h=2 km difference of bathymetry implies under the shallow ocean a crustal root of r=h (rho_crust-rho_water)/(rho_mantle-rho_crust)=9 km, so a crust thicker by 9+2=11 km under the shallow ocean). Therefore the ocean force between an ocean of depth d1=3200 m
and an ocean of depth d2=4200 m, is only 0.036e12 N/m, 4-5 times smaller than the value chosen by the author. It is already difficult for me to understand how a force of 0.1568e12 N/m could play a significant role against a ridge push of 4e12 N/m (using the author numbers, i.e. against a force 27 times larger), but it seems that the ratio is in fact larger than a factor 100.I note that the slab traction is generally estimated about 10 times larger than the ridge push (the author mentions a slab traction of about 3.3e13 N/m which is the right amount). Quoting Bercovici et al, (AGU monograph, 2000) "As demonstrated by Forsyth and Uyeda
[1975], the correlation between the connectivity of a plate to a slab (i.e., the percent of its perimeter taken by subduction zones) and the plate’s velocity argues rather conclusively for the dominance of slab pull as a plate driving force". Yongfeng Yang does not believe in ridge push although, the same halfspace cooling model is used to estimate ridge push and slab pull.I do not think the paper is clear, convincing and rigorous enough to be accepted for publication.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1458-RC1
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