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Measurement Report: A comparison of ice-nucleating particle and cloud condensation nuclei sources and properties during autumn at contrasting marine and terrestrial locations
Abstract. Ice-nucleating particles (INPs) are an important class of aerosols found worldwide that have far-reaching but poorly quantified climate feedback mechanisms through interaction with clouds and impacts on precipitation. These particles can have highly variable physicochemical properties in the atmosphere, and it is vital to measure their concentration and interconnection with other ambient aerosol populations at a wide variety of sites to comprehensively understand aerosol-cloud interactions in the atmosphere. Toward this aim, we have measured INP concentrations at two contrasting sites, one in the Southern Great Plains (SGP) region of the United States with a substantial terrestrially influenced aerosol population, and one in the Eastern North Atlantic Ocean (ENA) with a primarily marine-influenced aerosol population. These measurements were made at a high time resolution for at least 45 days at each site. From our ENA data, a singular relationship between cloud condensation nuclei (CCN) and INPs was found, suggesting that INPs and CCN originated from the same population of aerosols and potentially the same source. Backward air mass trajectories reveal a strong marine influence at ENA with most air masses originating over the Atlantic Ocean, but analysis of particle chemistry suggested an additional mineral dust INP source at ENA that did not contain large quantities of organic material. This relationship between CCN and INPs was not seen at SGP, and in fact has never been detected before, suggesting that the aerosol particles collected at ENA may represent a unique class of marine aerosols that contain both mineral dust and organics internally mixed in the aerosols and that are capable of acting as both CCN and INPs.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1456', Anonymous Referee #1, 15 Dec 2023
Comment on “Measurement Report: A comparison of ice-nucleating particle and cloud condensation nuclei sources and properties during autumn at contrasting marine and terrestrial locations” by Wilbourn et al.
This manuscript presents aerosol, cloud condensation nuclei, and ice-nucleating particle measurements at two contrast sites, i.e., the marine site at ENA and the continental site at SGP. The description of the measurement is clear and comprehensive. There are concerns regarding the data cleaning and clarity of data result interpretation. Addressing the following major comments is imperative before the manuscript can be considered for publication:
Major comments
- Data cleaning is missing in this study. Do you consider the CPC data cleaning at the ENA site? In line 382, the total particle number concentration should be much lower than ~3000 cm-3 after data cleaning. A previous study by Gallo et al 2020 (https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/20/7553/2020/) has shown that the ENA site is very often polluted.
Minor comments
- L 41: -32 ºC or -38 ºC for the homogeneous freezing?
- L528: It is unclear to me what agreement (i.e., agreement between what and what) you are referring to.
- L554-555: My impression is that PINE-2 usually measures immersion freezing INPs, as the supersaturation created inside the chamber. Please correct me if I am wrong.
- L575-580: The CAF values show large variations for two sites. Only comparing the median value is not reasonable. Better compare the probability density function of CAF at two sites.
- L608: Change “can be” to “is likely”.
- A recent study by Ghate et al. 2023 (https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2023JD038636) should be discussed when discussing the aerosol and CCN at the ENA site.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1456-RC1 -
RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1456', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Dec 2023
General comments:
The manuscript provides an intriguing exploration of the sources and properties of INPs and CCNs, while the study addresses an intriguing and important topic, significant improvements in clarity, structure, grammar, data analysis, and the careful drawing of conclusions are necessary to meet the rigorous standards of scientific publication.
Major comments:
- The manuscript is challenging to follow. The scientific objectives are not articulated clearly and lack a defined scope. It's crucial for the manuscript to provide a clear and comprehensive explanation of the relationship between CCN and INPs. As immersion freezing INPs are initially CCN before acting as nuclei for ice crystal formation, What does a strong correlation imply? This issue is compounded by a disjointed logical structure, making it difficult for readers to follow the progression of your study. In addition, a well-organized manuscript with a clear introduction, methodology, results, and conclusion is critical needed.
- The manuscript's conclusions are replete with conjectures and assumptions not robustly supported by the data presented. e.g. how can the author conclude the influence of the mineral dust on INPs at ENA without any aerosol size distribution and also no chemical components. Scientific studies should draw conclusions directly and cautiously from the results, avoiding overgeneralization and unwarranted speculation. It's essential to clearly state the limitations of your study and discuss the conclusions within the context of these limitations.
- The analysis presented appears to be superficial and does not delve deeply into the complexities of the data. A more rigorous and detailed statistical analysis is crucial to understand the nuances and implications of your findings fully.
Specific comments:
- In the Introduction, mischaracterize immersion freezing mechanisms INPs. The immersion freezing should also include the condensation freezing.
- Regarding the comparison between PINE and offline freezing droplet measurements, it appears that no direct comparison has been provided. From the current presentation in Figure 6 and Figure 8, at least, it is not discernible. These figures should be redrawn to clearly illustrate the comparison and provide a more direct and insightful analysis of the results.
- About BC measurement using PASP, ‘with the absorption at 529 nm most 330 representative of black carbon aerosols’. The PASP can provide aerosol absorption coefficients at three wavelength, the red light can represent BC characteristic more.
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AC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1456', Naruki Hiranuma, 18 Mar 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-1456/egusphere-2023-1456-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1456', Naruki Hiranuma, 18 Mar 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-1456/egusphere-2023-1456-AC2-supplement.zip
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1456', Anonymous Referee #1, 15 Dec 2023
Comment on “Measurement Report: A comparison of ice-nucleating particle and cloud condensation nuclei sources and properties during autumn at contrasting marine and terrestrial locations” by Wilbourn et al.
This manuscript presents aerosol, cloud condensation nuclei, and ice-nucleating particle measurements at two contrast sites, i.e., the marine site at ENA and the continental site at SGP. The description of the measurement is clear and comprehensive. There are concerns regarding the data cleaning and clarity of data result interpretation. Addressing the following major comments is imperative before the manuscript can be considered for publication:
Major comments
- Data cleaning is missing in this study. Do you consider the CPC data cleaning at the ENA site? In line 382, the total particle number concentration should be much lower than ~3000 cm-3 after data cleaning. A previous study by Gallo et al 2020 (https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/20/7553/2020/) has shown that the ENA site is very often polluted.
Minor comments
- L 41: -32 ºC or -38 ºC for the homogeneous freezing?
- L528: It is unclear to me what agreement (i.e., agreement between what and what) you are referring to.
- L554-555: My impression is that PINE-2 usually measures immersion freezing INPs, as the supersaturation created inside the chamber. Please correct me if I am wrong.
- L575-580: The CAF values show large variations for two sites. Only comparing the median value is not reasonable. Better compare the probability density function of CAF at two sites.
- L608: Change “can be” to “is likely”.
- A recent study by Ghate et al. 2023 (https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2023JD038636) should be discussed when discussing the aerosol and CCN at the ENA site.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1456-RC1 -
RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1456', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Dec 2023
General comments:
The manuscript provides an intriguing exploration of the sources and properties of INPs and CCNs, while the study addresses an intriguing and important topic, significant improvements in clarity, structure, grammar, data analysis, and the careful drawing of conclusions are necessary to meet the rigorous standards of scientific publication.
Major comments:
- The manuscript is challenging to follow. The scientific objectives are not articulated clearly and lack a defined scope. It's crucial for the manuscript to provide a clear and comprehensive explanation of the relationship between CCN and INPs. As immersion freezing INPs are initially CCN before acting as nuclei for ice crystal formation, What does a strong correlation imply? This issue is compounded by a disjointed logical structure, making it difficult for readers to follow the progression of your study. In addition, a well-organized manuscript with a clear introduction, methodology, results, and conclusion is critical needed.
- The manuscript's conclusions are replete with conjectures and assumptions not robustly supported by the data presented. e.g. how can the author conclude the influence of the mineral dust on INPs at ENA without any aerosol size distribution and also no chemical components. Scientific studies should draw conclusions directly and cautiously from the results, avoiding overgeneralization and unwarranted speculation. It's essential to clearly state the limitations of your study and discuss the conclusions within the context of these limitations.
- The analysis presented appears to be superficial and does not delve deeply into the complexities of the data. A more rigorous and detailed statistical analysis is crucial to understand the nuances and implications of your findings fully.
Specific comments:
- In the Introduction, mischaracterize immersion freezing mechanisms INPs. The immersion freezing should also include the condensation freezing.
- Regarding the comparison between PINE and offline freezing droplet measurements, it appears that no direct comparison has been provided. From the current presentation in Figure 6 and Figure 8, at least, it is not discernible. These figures should be redrawn to clearly illustrate the comparison and provide a more direct and insightful analysis of the results.
- About BC measurement using PASP, ‘with the absorption at 529 nm most 330 representative of black carbon aerosols’. The PASP can provide aerosol absorption coefficients at three wavelength, the red light can represent BC characteristic more.
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AC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1456', Naruki Hiranuma, 18 Mar 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-1456/egusphere-2023-1456-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1456', Naruki Hiranuma, 18 Mar 2024
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-1456/egusphere-2023-1456-AC2-supplement.zip
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Abundance of ice-nucleating particles and cloud condensation nuclei measured at the Southern Great Plains and Eastern North Atlantic observatories in autumn 2019 and 2020 Naruki Hiranuma https://www.doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.24199176
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