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| 26 Jun 2023
Wind as a natural hazard in Poland
Tadeusz Chmielewski
Piotr Bońkowski
Abstract. The paper deals with the wind speed of strong and extreme wind events in Poland and their descriptions of their effects. Two recent estimation developed by the Institute of Meteorology and Water Management in Warsaw [4] and by Lorenc [3] are presented. Their strong and weak points are briefly described. The 37 annual maximum gusts of wind speeds measured at all meteorological stations between 1971 and 2007 are analysed with extremal probability paper. Based on the measured and estimated wind speeds (taken from existing literature), the authors suggest new estimations for strong and extreme wind that may occur in Poland. In the near future, Poland is going to construct some important structures, such as a central air terminal and some nuclear power plants, so knowledge about strong and extreme winds in our country is very important for engineers who will design these types of structures. In this case, the information given in Section 6 of the ISO 1382 standard for identifying hazards, estimating, evaluating, and treating risk may be applied.
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Tadeusz Chmielewski and Piotr Bońkowski
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1359', Tao Xie, 27 Jul 2023
In general, through the study of historical documents and weather station data, combined with existing wind speed classification standards, the author uses the extreme value probability method to put forward targeted wind speed classification standards suitable for Poland. This paper is innovative to a certain extent, but there are not enough cases to support the proposed wind speed classification standards. There is also a lack of further research to improve the accuracy of its wind speed classification, and the accuracy of its wind speed classification lacks convincing theoretical support.
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RC2: 'Reply on CC1', Thanh Cong, 08 Aug 2023
you should use block maxima (BM) or peak-over-threshold (POT) method for extreme winds
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1359-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Chmielewski Tadeusz, 11 Aug 2023
Thank you for your proposal. It is very valuable. We plan to do it.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1359-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Chmielewski Tadeusz, 11 Aug 2023
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RC2: 'Reply on CC1', Thanh Cong, 08 Aug 2023
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1359', Anonymous Referee #1, 07 Aug 2023
The article deals with wind as a natural hazard in Poland, referring in particular to extreme events that have occurred and been studied in the past and to two recent estimation developed in recent years. The subject matter is interesting from a scientific point of view, the approach is correct but the work is incomplete and messy. The scientific significance of this work is poor and therefore I do not consider it sufficient for publication in this journal.-Bibliography almost absent...Two references ([3], [4]) appear in the abstract that are unexplained;-Little attention to details (uppercase and lowercase letters like r.31 "Section"), as well as a sometimes inaccurate use of English (i.e. r.102 "Strong and intense winds are the two types of winds into which it is classified") and a level of writing that is sometimes inappropriate for a scientific article (r.53 "And the authors of this paper are opposed to this proposal. We do not have tropical storms in Poland, so the name hurricane should be not used");-section 4: understandable but written in a very concise way, with the data and calculations reported in the text creating confusion;-section 5: how were tables 1 and 2 produced? the section should contain the innovative and publication-worthy aspect of the work, which is missing or not highlighted by the authors. Furthermore, the tables are reported with the wrong numbering in the text.-section 6: does it make sense to insert a section for the reported content? The idea of inserting the procedure is good, but how are the contents of the paper and ISO 1382 connected? Nothing is explained...Furthermore, the idea included in the abstract on the future construction of structures in Poland, for which studies of this type are needed, is also interesting, but it is not at all detailed in the paper.Citation: https://doi.org/
10.5194/egusphere-2023-1359-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Chmielewski Tadeusz, 11 Aug 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-1359/egusphere-2023-1359-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Chmielewski Tadeusz, 11 Aug 2023
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1359', Tao Xie, 27 Jul 2023
In general, through the study of historical documents and weather station data, combined with existing wind speed classification standards, the author uses the extreme value probability method to put forward targeted wind speed classification standards suitable for Poland. This paper is innovative to a certain extent, but there are not enough cases to support the proposed wind speed classification standards. There is also a lack of further research to improve the accuracy of its wind speed classification, and the accuracy of its wind speed classification lacks convincing theoretical support.
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RC2: 'Reply on CC1', Thanh Cong, 08 Aug 2023
you should use block maxima (BM) or peak-over-threshold (POT) method for extreme winds
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1359-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Chmielewski Tadeusz, 11 Aug 2023
Thank you for your proposal. It is very valuable. We plan to do it.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2023-1359-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Chmielewski Tadeusz, 11 Aug 2023
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RC2: 'Reply on CC1', Thanh Cong, 08 Aug 2023
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1359', Anonymous Referee #1, 07 Aug 2023
The article deals with wind as a natural hazard in Poland, referring in particular to extreme events that have occurred and been studied in the past and to two recent estimation developed in recent years. The subject matter is interesting from a scientific point of view, the approach is correct but the work is incomplete and messy. The scientific significance of this work is poor and therefore I do not consider it sufficient for publication in this journal.-Bibliography almost absent...Two references ([3], [4]) appear in the abstract that are unexplained;-Little attention to details (uppercase and lowercase letters like r.31 "Section"), as well as a sometimes inaccurate use of English (i.e. r.102 "Strong and intense winds are the two types of winds into which it is classified") and a level of writing that is sometimes inappropriate for a scientific article (r.53 "And the authors of this paper are opposed to this proposal. We do not have tropical storms in Poland, so the name hurricane should be not used");-section 4: understandable but written in a very concise way, with the data and calculations reported in the text creating confusion;-section 5: how were tables 1 and 2 produced? the section should contain the innovative and publication-worthy aspect of the work, which is missing or not highlighted by the authors. Furthermore, the tables are reported with the wrong numbering in the text.-section 6: does it make sense to insert a section for the reported content? The idea of inserting the procedure is good, but how are the contents of the paper and ISO 1382 connected? Nothing is explained...Furthermore, the idea included in the abstract on the future construction of structures in Poland, for which studies of this type are needed, is also interesting, but it is not at all detailed in the paper.Citation: https://doi.org/
10.5194/egusphere-2023-1359-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Chmielewski Tadeusz, 11 Aug 2023
The comment was uploaded in the form of a supplement: https://egusphere.copernicus.org/preprints/2023/egusphere-2023-1359/egusphere-2023-1359-AC1-supplement.pdf
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Chmielewski Tadeusz, 11 Aug 2023
Peer review completion
Journal article(s) based on this preprint
Tadeusz Chmielewski and Piotr Bońkowski
Tadeusz Chmielewski and Piotr Bońkowski
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