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Spawner weight and ocean temperature drive Allee effect dynamics in Atlantic cod, Gadus Morhua: inherent and emergent density regulation
Anna-Marie Winter
Nadezda Vasilyeva
Artem Vladimirov
Abstract. Stocks of Atlantic cod, Gadus Morhua, show diverse recovery responses when fishing pressure is relieved. The expected outcome of reduced fishing pressure is that the population regains its size. However, there are also cod stocks that seem to be locked in a state of low abundance from which population growth does not, or only slowly, occur. A plausible explanation for this phenomenon can be provided by the Allee effect, which takes place when recruitment per capita is positively related to population density or abundance. However, because of methodological limitations and data constraints, such a phenomenon is often perceived as being rare or non-existent in marine fish.
In this study, we used time-series of 17 Atlantic cod stocks to fit a family of population equations that consider the abundance of spawners, their body weight as well as sea water temperature as independent components of recruitment. The developed stock-recruitment function disentangles the effects of spawner abundance, spawner weight and temperature on recruitment dynamics and captures the diversity of density dependencies (compensation, Allee effect) of the recruitment production in Atlantic cod.
The results show for 13 cod stocks an inherent, spawner abundance related Allee effect. Allee effect strength, i.e. the relative change between maximum and minimum recruitment per capita at low abundance, was increased when recruitment production was suppressed by unfavorable changes in water temperature and/or in spawner weight. The latter can be a concomitant of heavy fishing or a result of temperature related altered body growth. Allee effect strength was decreased when spawner weight and/or temperature elevated recruitment production. We show how anthropogenic stress can increase the risk of Allee effects in stocks where ocean temperature and/or spawner weight had been beneficial in the past, but are likely to “unmask” and strengthen an inherent Allee effect under future conditions.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1248', Anonymous Referee #1, 21 Feb 2023
This study investigated the effects of spawner abundance, weight, and temperature on recruitment dynamics for 17 Atlantic cod stocks. Specifically, the authors examined the Allee effect, which is when recruitment per capita declines at low population density. The authors found most stocks demonstrated an Allee effect related to spawner abundance; however, Allee effect strength varied among stocks when considering water temperature and spawner weight.
Overall, the manuscript is on an important topic considering the status of many global marine fish stocks and increasing anthropogenic pressures. The methods and equations are clear, the statistical analyses appear sound, and the level of detail is appreciated. There are several technical comments that should be addressed prior to publication:Technical Comments
- Acronyms for “DFO” and “IPCC” are not capitalized in citations throughout.
- Figures need to be higher quality with larger text, some are blurry or too small to read.
- Line 120: Our objective is [to describe the data]?
- “Table A1” does not exist in any table title, only in the text.
- Line 153: no need to repeat “sea surface temperature” since you introduced the acronym above.
- Line 156: describe what a(subscript R) is.
- The numbered equations are good, but please ensure you are referring to each equation in the text as well.
- Line 268: should be “affected” not “effected”
- Lines 175-177 introduces an important intention/potential use of this research (not intended to replace existing stock-assessment practice etc). I would encourage a clear statement like this in the introduction as well when explaining the significance/importance of this study.
- Line 392: the statement on how this is the first study showing Allee effect for every individual stock should be stated in the introduction as well.
- Table D1: Acronym for Akaike Information Criteria is not consistent in the text, title, and table.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1248-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
The p.<page> l.<line> comments refer to a revised manuscript version (in a track changes mode) that we are going to provide. This comment-form says: "do NOT submit here".
Authors Response to Reviewer 1
R1: This study investigated the effects of spawner abundance, weight, and temperature on recruitment dynamics for 17 Atlantic cod stocks. Specifically, the authors examined the Allee effect, which is when recruitment per capita declines at low population density. The authors found most stocks demonstrated an Allee effect related to spawner abundance; however, Allee effect strength varied among stocks when considering water temperature and spawner weight.
Overall, the manuscript is on an important topic considering the status of many global marine fish stocks and increasing anthropogenic pressures. The methods and equations are clear, the statistical analyses appear sound, and the level of detail is appreciated. There are several technical comments that should be addressed prior to publication
Authors: We thank reviewer R1 for these encouraging comments. In the revised manuscript we followed the technical suggestions to improve it.
R1-1: Acronyms for “DFO” and “IPCC” are not capitalized in citations throughout.
Authors: thanks, DFO and IPCC are capitalized on p.2 l.39, p.26 l.463, p.29 l.555.
R1-2: Figures need to be higher quality with larger text, some are blurry or too small to read.
Authors:
Unfortunately the figures lost quality because of introducing them into word docx file as images. All figures are now reinserted into docx file in svg/emf vector format to preserve the best quality of original figures, and texts are readable everywhere. Each figure will be provided for publication also as a vector image in a pdf format to provide the best quality.
R1-3: Line 120: Our objective is [to describe the data]?
Authors: thank you, change made on p.6 l.122 “the description of the data” to “to describe the data”.
R1-4: “Table A1” does not exist in any table title, only in the text.
Authors: yes, this is because the table was moved to appendix B, we have corrected correspondingly in the text “Appendix A: Table A1” replaced by “Appendix B: Table B1” on p.7 l.154.
R1-5: Line 153: no need to repeat “sea surface temperature” since you introduced the acronym above.
Authors: thanks, extra text removed through the text replacing “sea surface temperature, SST” with “SST”.
R1-6: Line 156: describe what a(subscript R) is.
Authors: R - corresponds to recruitment, aR - age of recruitment is being introduced above on p.7 l.154.
R1-7: The numbered equations are good, but please ensure you are referring to each equation in the text as well.
Authors: indeed, all of the equations were referred to only in the Appendix D. Now we also added a sentence in the main text part of the optimization procedure “The model of cod population dynamics, formulated as a system of Eqs.1-8, has..” on p.11 l.269 and some of them are also referred to elsewhere.
R1-8: Line 268: should be “affected” not “effected”
Authors: thanks, “effected” changed to “affected” on p.14. l.312.
R1-9: Lines 175-177 introduces an important intention/potential use of this research (not intended to replace existing stock-assessment practice etc). I would encourage a clear statement like this in the introduction as well when explaining the significance/importance of this study.
Authors: thank you, we added the following paragraph to the introduction on p.6 l.130-131 “While our approach to model development is not intended to replace existing stock-assessment practice, it can be used to reveal potential mechanisms affecting population dynamics.”
R1-10: Line 392: the statement on how this is the first study showing Allee effect for every individual stock should be stated in the introduction as well.
Authors: we added to the introduction the following sentence on p.6 l.132-133 “In this study each individual stock is for the first time analyzed for the potential of Allee effect dynamics with the same approach and criteria.”
R1-11: Table D1: Acronym for Akaike Information Criteria is not consistent in the text, title, and table.
Authors: thank you, we have made it consistent to AIC in the table D1 and in the text on p.11 l.276.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1248-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1248', Anonymous Referee #2, 31 Mar 2023
The paper by Winter et al. develops a novel stock-recruitment function that captures the diversity of density dependencies (compensation, Allee effect) of recruitment production and disentangles the effects of spawner abundance, spawner weight and temperature on recruitment dynamics. The developed model is fitted to empirical time series to identify Allee effects and their potential drivers for Atlantic cod. Overall, the paper contributes to the emerging recognition of dynamic Allee effects that can interact with the environment, and as such, it addresses relevant scientific questions.
Nonetheless, some parts of the paper require careful rewriting or reorganization to make it easier to follow. See my specific comments below.
Techinical comments:
46 Check spacing after '(SSB)' and before 'the biomass'.
52, 101... (many occasions) Check the use of parentheses in citations throughout.
Figure 1 & 113-118 It is not usual to include results of an exploratory analysis in the Introduction. Could you motivate the study setup in another way and have these in Materials and Methods or Appendix?
101 Also, Fig. A1 could be cited in M&M, instead of citing it in the Introduction.
147-148 I assume the age class is a discrete variable. I would rather say its value belongs to the set {1,...,A}.
155 What does 'R' stand for in eqn. (1)? Is it recruitment (line 257)?
175-177 Should this rather be included in the Discussion?
168-169 & 178-184 I got confused about the description of the basic demographic component. Line
169 states that 'spnum' stands for the abundance of spawners. But, in lines 182-183 you elaborate
whether spnum captures mainly the impact of spawner abundance. Is the paragraph in lines 178-184
supposed to describe the 'basic demographic component'? Is this basic demographic component given by eqn. (4)? Or is it given by eqn. (5)? Please, make clear what 'spnum', SSB_N and the demographic component are.196 the effect 'of'?
203 Introduce eqn. (6) earlier and not separate from the text. For example, 'The second factor, spwe, captures the effect of deviations in average spawner weight on recruitment production and is defined by
𝐹(𝑦) = (SSB(𝑦)/SSB𝑁(𝑦)) (6).'204 Similarly, introduce the equation for the Lorentz function immediately after first mention.
211-217 (at least) If these are findings after model fitting and not data preprocessing, should they be reported in the Results section instead?
222 Please include in the text and introduce earlier. What was SST_0? You're talking about T_0 in the text above eqn. (7).
211 Given that there seem to be only two parameters for G, why not introduce both of them in the main text.
226-227 Often, one prefers not to start a sentence by a symbol. Consider throughout the paper.
240-242 Please modify in a similar way as suggested above.
244 Now there's also SSB_0 to optimize. Should it also be listed earlier (line 228)?
Sections 2.2-2.3 A schematic figure of the overall structure of your model would be nice.
258 I didn't find figure D4 in the Appendix. The last 25 years here mean..?
Figure 2 The figure is great, but the font size could be bigger and, especially, the resolution of the graphics should be higher.
265 But for many of the stocks in Fig A2, the average SST seems to be over 11? For example, Flemish Cap, Georges Bank.
266 There is no Figure A1 in Appendix B. However, Fig. B1 illustrates trends and p values for individuals stocks over the whole time series, should you refer to it later (in line 267)?
276-277 I'm not sure if I understood your reasoning. Please, expand/say in another words.
291 Check consistency with the description in Section 2.3.
308-310 Describe the symbols of your figure in the legend instead. Refer here only to your model (components)?
Overall, the text should be readable without the figures and the figures should be described in their legends. For example, instead of 'A high goodness of fit
for total biomass (TB) and recruitment (R) time series is shown in Appendix D: Fig. D2-4).'
(lines 257-258), could
you say 'We obtained a high goodness of fit
for total biomass (TB) and recruitment (R) time series (Figs D2-4).'?Since the Allee effect threshold SSB_0 plays an important role in your results, should you give it more space in Section 2.3?
673 Use Equ./Eq. consistently.
680 What does 'q' stand for?Figure A1 This is a great illustration. However, it is somewhat challenging to distinguish
the alphabets and arrows from the background. Could you use a color for the symbols?565 'The' --> 'the'
Figure C1: This is a nice illustration. However, please tell in all subplots, to which parameter values the different curves correspond, similar to the subplot on the right lower corner.
Figure D2: What are N, NFT etc. abbrevations of?
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1248-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
The p.<page> l.<line> comments refer to a revised manuscript version (in a track changes mode) that we are going to provide. This comment-form says: "do NOT submit here".
Please see attached pdf file with correct equation symbols and added figures.
Authors Response to Reviewer 2
R2: The paper by Winter et al. develops a novel stock-recruitment function that captures the diversity of density dependencies (compensation, Allee effect) of recruitment production and disentangles the effects of spawner abundance, spawner weight and temperature on recruitment dynamics. The developed model is fitted to empirical time series to identify Allee effects and their potential drivers for Atlantic cod. Overall, the paper contributes to the emerging recognition of dynamic Allee effects that can interact with the environment, and as such, it addresses relevant scientific questions.
Nonetheless, some parts of the paper require careful rewriting or reorganization to make it easier to follow. See my specific comments below.
Authors: Thanks reviewer R2 for the detailed suggestions. In the revised manuscript we worked on rewriting the text, considering all these specific comments, and added the suggested model overall structure scheme.
R2-1: 46 Check spacing after '(SSB)' and before 'the biomass'.
Authors: corrected.
R2-2: 52, 101... (many occasions) Check the use of parentheses in citations throughout.
Authors: thank you, extra parentheses removed throughout the text.
R2-3: Figure 1 & 113-118 It is not usual to include results of an exploratory analysis in the Introduction. Could you motivate the study setup in another way and have these in Materials and Methods or Appendix?
Authors: thanks, we thought of stock assessment data as literature data to be referenced to in the introduction. However, since we base on our own data analysis, it is indeed more logic to place it as a part of our work. We have inserted the following paragraph and the figure 1 in the beginning of the Results section as: “Stock assessment data analysis suggested the highest probability for a decrease in recruitment per capita at below average spawner abundance, indicating patterns of an Allee effect (Fig. 1 a). Interestingly, most stocks have been prevalent in the area of the Allee effect threshold (Fig. 1 a, white area), where SSB degradation can have strong repercussions for population and management. In particular at low spawner abundance, below the Allee effect threshold, recruitment per capita ratios are accompanied by temperatures above the average experienced SST (Fig. 1 b, red shading), as well as a below average spawner weight (Fig. 1 c, blue shading). This led us to a hypothesis that spawner weight and SST could have effects on recruitment production at low abundance, which is further tested by the developed model.”
While instead in the introduction on p.6 l.120 we say “Based on literature and preliminary stocks data analysis we hypothesize that consideration of spawner abundance, spawner weight and SST as components of the stock-recruitment function, should give insight on Allee effect dynamics in Atlantic cod.”.
R2-4: 101 Also, Fig. A1 could be cited in M&M, instead of citing it in the Introduction.
Authors: on p.4 l.101-102 of the introduction we changed the phrase “The different stocks are located in the North Atlantic Ocean (see Appendix A: Fig. A1) ), where direction and intensity..” to “In the North Atlantic Ocean direction and intensity.. ” and moved the citation of Fig.A1 to M&M to p. 7 l.136 as follows “For the 17 Atlantic cod stocks, that are located in the North Atlantic Ocean (see Appendix A: Fig. A1), we extracted time series”.
R2-5: 147-148 I assume the age class is a discrete variable. I would rather say its value belongs to the set {1,...,A}.
Authors: thanks, corrected on p.7 l.152.
R2-6: 155 What does 'R' stand for in eqn. (1)? Is it recruitment (line 257)?
Authors: yes, thanks, on p.7 l.159 the change is made from “recruitment production to be..” to “recruitment production function R to be..”
R2-7: 175-177 Should this rather be included in the Discussion?
Authors:
we have moved this phrase to the end of the discussion on p.31 l .591-593.
R2-8: 168-169 & 178-184 I got confused about the description of the basic demographic component. Line 169 states that 'spnum' stands for the abundance of spawners. But, in lines 182-183 you elaborate whether spnum captures mainly the impact of spawner abundance. Is the paragraph in lines 178-184 supposed to describe the 'basic demographic component'? Is this basic demographic component given by eqn. (4)? Or is it given by eqn. (5)? Please, make clear what 'spnum', SSB_N and the demographic component are.
Authors:
Sorry for the confusing description. We used words “spnum”, “spwe” and “SST” as short labels for the models (especially needed for the figures) that take into account effects of spawner number, spawner weight, SST, correspondingly.
SSB_N - is a value calculated similar to SSB, using age-specific historical average spawner weights instead of actual weights and is defined by the Eq.4. It is used instead of SSB in the stock-recruitment function to isolate spawner abundance effect from spawner weight effect.
Demographic component of the stock-recruitment function is the function - H(SSBN) defined by the Eq. 5.
In the revised version we use these short abbreviations only for labeling the models to designate combinations of analyzed effects. We have revised the section 2.3 “Stock-recruitment function with separable effects” to make the description clear.
R2-9: 196 the effect 'of'?
Authors: corrected.
R2-10: 203 Introduce eqn. (6) earlier and not separate from the text. For example, 'The second factor, spwe, captures the effect of deviations in average spawner weight on recruitment production and is defined by 𝐹(𝑦) = (SSB(𝑦)/SSB𝑁(𝑦)) (6).'
Authors: thank you, the equation introduced as suggested earlier in p.9. l.212.
R2-11: 204 Similarly, introduce the equation for the Lorentz function immediately after first mention.
Authors: corrected, Lorentz function introduced on p.9. l.227 after its first mention.
R2-12: 211-217 (at least) If these are findings after model fitting and not data preprocessing, should they be reported in the Results section instead?
Authors: yes, indeed. We moved this paragraph to p.14 l.318-325 of the Results.
R2-13: 222 Please include in the text and introduce earlier. What was SST_0? You're talking about T_0 in the text above eqn. (7).
Authors: this was a typo, on p.l. “T0” changed to “SST0”.
R2-14: 211 Given that there seem to be only two parameters for G, why not introduce both of them in the main text.
Authors: We have added right after the equation 7 on p.10 l.228 both parameters with the following “where SST0 is a SST optimum value, and b – sensitivity to SST.”.
R2-15: 226-227 Often, one prefers not to start a sentence by a symbol. Consider throughout the paper.
Authors: thank you, corrected throughout the text.
R2-16: 240-242 Please modify in a similar way as suggested above.
Authors: done.
R2-17: 244 Now there's also SSB_0 to optimize. Should it also be listed earlier (line 228)?
Authors: Thank you, we forgot to list this parameter. This is corrected now on p.10 l.253.
R2-18: Sections 2.2-2.3 A schematic figure of the overall structure of your model would be nice.
Authors: We have added the scheme of overall model structure as Appendix C: Fig. C2. instead of the extra duplicating text about the model. Former Fig.C2 became Fig.C3.
Please see Figure in the attached pdf file of authors response.
R2-19: 258 I didn't find figure D4 in the Appendix. The last 25 years here mean..?
Authors: thanks, the deletion of one figure in D caused the shift in cited numbers, on p.47 l.766 “Fig. D2-4” is changed to “Fig. D1-3”.
We changed the phrase “Within the last 25 years, all stocks experienced strong declines in SSB” to “All of the stocks cod experienced strong declines in SSB with their historical minima observed after 1990 except for NEA cod stock.”.
R2-20: Figure 2 The figure is great, but the font size could be bigger and, especially, the resolution of the graphics should be higher.
Authors: Unfortunately the figures lost quality because of introducing them into word docx file. All figures are now reinserted into docx file in svg/emf vector format to preserve the best quality of original figures. Each figure will be provided for publication as vector images in a pdf format to provide the best quality. We have increased text font size on Figure 2.
R2-21: 265 But for many of the stocks in Fig A2, the average SST seems to be over 11? For example, Flemish Cap, Georges Bank.
Authors: Very true, corrected. Should be “Average ambient sea surface temperature ranges between 3 °C and 15 °C (Appendix A: Fig. A2, Appendix B: Figure B1.i)…”
R2-22: 266 There is no Figure A1 in Appendix B. However, Fig. B1 illustrates trends and p values for individuals stocks over the whole time series, should you refer to it later (in line 267)?
Authors: yes, the reference to figure B1 is corrected on p.14 l.311.
R2-23: 276-277 I'm not sure if I understood your reasoning. Please, expand/say in another words.
Authors: we improved this paragraph on p.15 l 328-332 as follows: “For example, when fishing pressure of the NEA cod started to decline as part of a management plan, the ocean water was also cooler (triangles symbols, Fig. 2) and thus the stock growth temperature component had the highest value (Appendix C: Fig. C2). This could be the reason behind the increase and recovery of its SSB. Further decline in fishing mortality happened concurrently with ocean warming and likely overweighted the negative response to SST, and the stock continued to grow.”
R2-24: 291 Check consistency with the description in Section 2.3.
Authors: we have made it consistent through out the text designations of the 3 components of SR-function - H(), G(), L() functions and corresponding model designations by significant effects (spnum, spwe, SST).
R2-25: 308-310 Describe the symbols of your figure in the legend instead. Refer here only to your model (components)?
Authors: we have changed this to “We consider that spnum component of SR-function should reflect the inherent density-dependence regulation”.
R2-26: Overall, the text should be readable without the figures and the figures should be described in their legends. For example, instead of 'A high goodness of fit for total biomass (TB) and recruitment (R) time series is shown in Appendix D: Fig. D2-4).' (lines 257-258), could you say 'We obtained a high goodness of fit for total biomass (TB) and recruitment (R) time series (Figs D2-4).'?
Authors: thanks for the suggestion, we corrected accordingly on p.11.l.261-262, p.14 l.318-319, and header of table D1, captions of Fig.2, 3, C2, D1-3.
R2-27: Since the Allee effect threshold SSB_0 plays an important role in your results, should you give it more space in Section 2.3?
Authors: we improved the description of SSB0 and parameter k related to SSB0 on p.9 l.201-204 by changing “SSB0 is the position of the inflection point, where the rate of recruitment production is highest, and k is the function’s steepness at SSB0” to the following “Parameter SSB0 is the position of the inflection point of the recruitment abundance function. Parameter k is the steepness of the curve at point SSB0, which defines the type of recruitment production function, which can be either purely compensatory (k < 2) or with a depensatory region (k > 2). In the latter case corresponding recruitment per capita function (H(SSBN)/SSBN) would have a minimum, that indicates the presence of Allee effect with SSB0 in this case being an Allee effect threshold”.
R2-28: 673 Use Equ./Eq. consistently.
Authors: all made consistent with “Eq”.R2-29: 680 What does 'q' stand for?
Authors: q stands for log-likelihood of the model for which AIC is calculated and is given by the Eq. D1.
R2-30: Figure A1 This is a great illustration. However, it is somewhat challenging to distinguish the alphabets and arrows from the background. Could you use a color for the symbols?
Authors: Thank you for the suggestion. The colors have been changed.
R2-31: 565 'The' --> 'the'
Authors: corrected.
R2-32: Figure C1: This is a nice illustration. However, please tell in all subplots, to which parameter values the different curves correspond, similar to the subplot on the right lower corner.
Authors: The scheme is improved with parameter values corresponding to different curves.
Please see Figure in the attached pdf file of authors response.
R2-33: Figure D2: What are N, NFT etc. abbreviations of?
Authors: These were the intermediate model abbreviations, which were changed later to spnum, spwe and SST. Thank you for noticing, we have corrected Figure D2 with corresponding abbreviations.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
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EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1248', Kenneth Rose, 31 Mar 2023
As part of addressing reviewer comments, you should also add new text to the Discussion (paragraphs) to directly relate the work to Biogeosciences. This has been noted by me during the review process. Some additional text was added but I noted that that more is needed and it can be done at the revision stage (which is now). Please add to the Discussion examples of how others have examined recruitment using temperature and other variables, which come from biogeochemical data and/or biogeochemical modeling. There are many examples - select 3-5 that are close to your situation with cod (could be similar region, similar stocks, allee effect, etc.). I expect there are existing biogeochemical models for your specific region of study as well. How would use the biogeochemical information (e.g., be able to include a productivity or food index) to help refine, confirm, complement, or improve your analysis? You should also add some text about what could be added to the existing biogeochemistry modeling or data or specifically validated in the models (e.g., food, specific transport outputs, temperature near the bottom), to help with your type of analysis.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1248-EC1 -
AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
Authors Response to Editor comment
EC1: As part of addressing reviewer comments, you should also add new text to the Discussion (paragraphs) to directly relate the work to Biogeosciences. This has been noted by me during the review process. Some additional text was added but I noted that that more is needed and it can be done at the revision stage (which is now). Please add to the Discussion examples of how others have examined recruitment using temperature and other variables, which come from biogeochemical data and/or biogeochemical modeling. There are many examples - select 3-5 that are close to your situation with cod (could be similar region, similar stocks, allee effect, etc.). I expect there are existing biogeochemical models for your specific region of study as well. How would use the biogeochemical information (e.g., be able to include a productivity or food index) to help refine, confirm, complement, or improve your analysis? You should also add some text about what could be added to the existing biogeochemistry modeling or data or specifically validated in the models (e.g., food, specific transport outputs, temperature near the bottom), to help with your type of analysis.
Authors: Instead of l.455-468 we elaborated more on this point and added the following additional paragraph into the discussion “4.2 Linking temperature to biogeochemical processes”.
For Atlantic cod, variation in recruitment production has been linked to changes in sea surface temperature throughout the species’ geographical range (Drinkwater, 2005; Planque and Fredou, 1999; Brander, 2010). Surface water warming crucially influences the planktonic stage of the Atlantic cod larvae, because of the survival and dependence on plankton prey that occupy surface waters (Sundby, 2000; Beaugrand et al., 2003; Clark et al., 2003).
In this study, temperature is used as an index for biogeochemical processes that largely determines the variability in Atlantic cod recruitment, however, it does not elaborate on the mechanisms behind. Physical oceanographic models that link temperature to biogeochemical processes can provide more information on how and when temperature influences recruitment by helping to extract other biogeochemical variables relevant to recruitment, such as oxygen, salinity, nutrients or plankton - the variability of which is often directly temperature dependent.
The negative temperature impact on Baltic cod recruitment (Table 1) could be for example due to the temperature driven decrease in oxygen solubility and rise of oxygen consumption by the increased bacterial decay of surplus primary production (Hinrichsen et al., 2011), creating hypoxia and increased mortality. Low salinity can decrease the buoyancy of cod eggs that will sink down to oxygen-depleted layers and die, decreasing reproductive success (Nielsen et al., 2013). The inflow of high salinity waters thus influences when temperature affects cod recruitment and may be an important factor to consider for e.g. the Baltic cod (Pécuchet et al., 2014) and Flemish Cap stock (Ruiz-Díaz et al., 2022) to explain their response to warming.
Ocean warming also increases the release of nutrients (Rodgers, 2021), creating eutrophication that further contributes to oxygen depletion and can hamper the foraging behavior and food quality of young cod (Isaksson et al., 1994). For example, the North Sea plankton communities have undergone a shift towards smaller, warm water plankton species, which are of lower food quality for Atlantic cod and impact their survival (Beaugrand et al., 2003a; Beaugrand and Kirby, 2010), which could be a mechanism behind the negative temperature-recruitment relation in North Sea cod found here.
Besides temperature, various biogeochemical variables have been incorporated into stock-recruitment models of Atlantic cod (e.g. acidification (Stiasny et al., 2016), salinity (Heikinheimo, 2008), plankton (Olsen et al., 2011)), and biogeochemical models have been directly coupled to life stage (Daewel et al., 2011; Hinrichsen et al., 2002) and species distribution models (Gogina et al., 2020). Such spatial explicit models that couple oceanographic features with population density would be of particular interest for the research on Allee effect dynamics, where the density-abundance relation as well as local environmental conditions are important.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1248-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
Interactive discussion
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1248', Anonymous Referee #1, 21 Feb 2023
This study investigated the effects of spawner abundance, weight, and temperature on recruitment dynamics for 17 Atlantic cod stocks. Specifically, the authors examined the Allee effect, which is when recruitment per capita declines at low population density. The authors found most stocks demonstrated an Allee effect related to spawner abundance; however, Allee effect strength varied among stocks when considering water temperature and spawner weight.
Overall, the manuscript is on an important topic considering the status of many global marine fish stocks and increasing anthropogenic pressures. The methods and equations are clear, the statistical analyses appear sound, and the level of detail is appreciated. There are several technical comments that should be addressed prior to publication:Technical Comments
- Acronyms for “DFO” and “IPCC” are not capitalized in citations throughout.
- Figures need to be higher quality with larger text, some are blurry or too small to read.
- Line 120: Our objective is [to describe the data]?
- “Table A1” does not exist in any table title, only in the text.
- Line 153: no need to repeat “sea surface temperature” since you introduced the acronym above.
- Line 156: describe what a(subscript R) is.
- The numbered equations are good, but please ensure you are referring to each equation in the text as well.
- Line 268: should be “affected” not “effected”
- Lines 175-177 introduces an important intention/potential use of this research (not intended to replace existing stock-assessment practice etc). I would encourage a clear statement like this in the introduction as well when explaining the significance/importance of this study.
- Line 392: the statement on how this is the first study showing Allee effect for every individual stock should be stated in the introduction as well.
- Table D1: Acronym for Akaike Information Criteria is not consistent in the text, title, and table.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1248-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
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Authors Response to Reviewer 1
R1: This study investigated the effects of spawner abundance, weight, and temperature on recruitment dynamics for 17 Atlantic cod stocks. Specifically, the authors examined the Allee effect, which is when recruitment per capita declines at low population density. The authors found most stocks demonstrated an Allee effect related to spawner abundance; however, Allee effect strength varied among stocks when considering water temperature and spawner weight.
Overall, the manuscript is on an important topic considering the status of many global marine fish stocks and increasing anthropogenic pressures. The methods and equations are clear, the statistical analyses appear sound, and the level of detail is appreciated. There are several technical comments that should be addressed prior to publication
Authors: We thank reviewer R1 for these encouraging comments. In the revised manuscript we followed the technical suggestions to improve it.
R1-1: Acronyms for “DFO” and “IPCC” are not capitalized in citations throughout.
Authors: thanks, DFO and IPCC are capitalized on p.2 l.39, p.26 l.463, p.29 l.555.
R1-2: Figures need to be higher quality with larger text, some are blurry or too small to read.
Authors:
Unfortunately the figures lost quality because of introducing them into word docx file as images. All figures are now reinserted into docx file in svg/emf vector format to preserve the best quality of original figures, and texts are readable everywhere. Each figure will be provided for publication also as a vector image in a pdf format to provide the best quality.
R1-3: Line 120: Our objective is [to describe the data]?
Authors: thank you, change made on p.6 l.122 “the description of the data” to “to describe the data”.
R1-4: “Table A1” does not exist in any table title, only in the text.
Authors: yes, this is because the table was moved to appendix B, we have corrected correspondingly in the text “Appendix A: Table A1” replaced by “Appendix B: Table B1” on p.7 l.154.
R1-5: Line 153: no need to repeat “sea surface temperature” since you introduced the acronym above.
Authors: thanks, extra text removed through the text replacing “sea surface temperature, SST” with “SST”.
R1-6: Line 156: describe what a(subscript R) is.
Authors: R - corresponds to recruitment, aR - age of recruitment is being introduced above on p.7 l.154.
R1-7: The numbered equations are good, but please ensure you are referring to each equation in the text as well.
Authors: indeed, all of the equations were referred to only in the Appendix D. Now we also added a sentence in the main text part of the optimization procedure “The model of cod population dynamics, formulated as a system of Eqs.1-8, has..” on p.11 l.269 and some of them are also referred to elsewhere.
R1-8: Line 268: should be “affected” not “effected”
Authors: thanks, “effected” changed to “affected” on p.14. l.312.
R1-9: Lines 175-177 introduces an important intention/potential use of this research (not intended to replace existing stock-assessment practice etc). I would encourage a clear statement like this in the introduction as well when explaining the significance/importance of this study.
Authors: thank you, we added the following paragraph to the introduction on p.6 l.130-131 “While our approach to model development is not intended to replace existing stock-assessment practice, it can be used to reveal potential mechanisms affecting population dynamics.”
R1-10: Line 392: the statement on how this is the first study showing Allee effect for every individual stock should be stated in the introduction as well.
Authors: we added to the introduction the following sentence on p.6 l.132-133 “In this study each individual stock is for the first time analyzed for the potential of Allee effect dynamics with the same approach and criteria.”
R1-11: Table D1: Acronym for Akaike Information Criteria is not consistent in the text, title, and table.
Authors: thank you, we have made it consistent to AIC in the table D1 and in the text on p.11 l.276.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1248-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1248', Anonymous Referee #2, 31 Mar 2023
The paper by Winter et al. develops a novel stock-recruitment function that captures the diversity of density dependencies (compensation, Allee effect) of recruitment production and disentangles the effects of spawner abundance, spawner weight and temperature on recruitment dynamics. The developed model is fitted to empirical time series to identify Allee effects and their potential drivers for Atlantic cod. Overall, the paper contributes to the emerging recognition of dynamic Allee effects that can interact with the environment, and as such, it addresses relevant scientific questions.
Nonetheless, some parts of the paper require careful rewriting or reorganization to make it easier to follow. See my specific comments below.
Techinical comments:
46 Check spacing after '(SSB)' and before 'the biomass'.
52, 101... (many occasions) Check the use of parentheses in citations throughout.
Figure 1 & 113-118 It is not usual to include results of an exploratory analysis in the Introduction. Could you motivate the study setup in another way and have these in Materials and Methods or Appendix?
101 Also, Fig. A1 could be cited in M&M, instead of citing it in the Introduction.
147-148 I assume the age class is a discrete variable. I would rather say its value belongs to the set {1,...,A}.
155 What does 'R' stand for in eqn. (1)? Is it recruitment (line 257)?
175-177 Should this rather be included in the Discussion?
168-169 & 178-184 I got confused about the description of the basic demographic component. Line
169 states that 'spnum' stands for the abundance of spawners. But, in lines 182-183 you elaborate
whether spnum captures mainly the impact of spawner abundance. Is the paragraph in lines 178-184
supposed to describe the 'basic demographic component'? Is this basic demographic component given by eqn. (4)? Or is it given by eqn. (5)? Please, make clear what 'spnum', SSB_N and the demographic component are.196 the effect 'of'?
203 Introduce eqn. (6) earlier and not separate from the text. For example, 'The second factor, spwe, captures the effect of deviations in average spawner weight on recruitment production and is defined by
𝐹(𝑦) = (SSB(𝑦)/SSB𝑁(𝑦)) (6).'204 Similarly, introduce the equation for the Lorentz function immediately after first mention.
211-217 (at least) If these are findings after model fitting and not data preprocessing, should they be reported in the Results section instead?
222 Please include in the text and introduce earlier. What was SST_0? You're talking about T_0 in the text above eqn. (7).
211 Given that there seem to be only two parameters for G, why not introduce both of them in the main text.
226-227 Often, one prefers not to start a sentence by a symbol. Consider throughout the paper.
240-242 Please modify in a similar way as suggested above.
244 Now there's also SSB_0 to optimize. Should it also be listed earlier (line 228)?
Sections 2.2-2.3 A schematic figure of the overall structure of your model would be nice.
258 I didn't find figure D4 in the Appendix. The last 25 years here mean..?
Figure 2 The figure is great, but the font size could be bigger and, especially, the resolution of the graphics should be higher.
265 But for many of the stocks in Fig A2, the average SST seems to be over 11? For example, Flemish Cap, Georges Bank.
266 There is no Figure A1 in Appendix B. However, Fig. B1 illustrates trends and p values for individuals stocks over the whole time series, should you refer to it later (in line 267)?
276-277 I'm not sure if I understood your reasoning. Please, expand/say in another words.
291 Check consistency with the description in Section 2.3.
308-310 Describe the symbols of your figure in the legend instead. Refer here only to your model (components)?
Overall, the text should be readable without the figures and the figures should be described in their legends. For example, instead of 'A high goodness of fit
for total biomass (TB) and recruitment (R) time series is shown in Appendix D: Fig. D2-4).'
(lines 257-258), could
you say 'We obtained a high goodness of fit
for total biomass (TB) and recruitment (R) time series (Figs D2-4).'?Since the Allee effect threshold SSB_0 plays an important role in your results, should you give it more space in Section 2.3?
673 Use Equ./Eq. consistently.
680 What does 'q' stand for?Figure A1 This is a great illustration. However, it is somewhat challenging to distinguish
the alphabets and arrows from the background. Could you use a color for the symbols?565 'The' --> 'the'
Figure C1: This is a nice illustration. However, please tell in all subplots, to which parameter values the different curves correspond, similar to the subplot on the right lower corner.
Figure D2: What are N, NFT etc. abbrevations of?
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
The p.<page> l.<line> comments refer to a revised manuscript version (in a track changes mode) that we are going to provide. This comment-form says: "do NOT submit here".
Please see attached pdf file with correct equation symbols and added figures.
Authors Response to Reviewer 2
R2: The paper by Winter et al. develops a novel stock-recruitment function that captures the diversity of density dependencies (compensation, Allee effect) of recruitment production and disentangles the effects of spawner abundance, spawner weight and temperature on recruitment dynamics. The developed model is fitted to empirical time series to identify Allee effects and their potential drivers for Atlantic cod. Overall, the paper contributes to the emerging recognition of dynamic Allee effects that can interact with the environment, and as such, it addresses relevant scientific questions.
Nonetheless, some parts of the paper require careful rewriting or reorganization to make it easier to follow. See my specific comments below.
Authors: Thanks reviewer R2 for the detailed suggestions. In the revised manuscript we worked on rewriting the text, considering all these specific comments, and added the suggested model overall structure scheme.
R2-1: 46 Check spacing after '(SSB)' and before 'the biomass'.
Authors: corrected.
R2-2: 52, 101... (many occasions) Check the use of parentheses in citations throughout.
Authors: thank you, extra parentheses removed throughout the text.
R2-3: Figure 1 & 113-118 It is not usual to include results of an exploratory analysis in the Introduction. Could you motivate the study setup in another way and have these in Materials and Methods or Appendix?
Authors: thanks, we thought of stock assessment data as literature data to be referenced to in the introduction. However, since we base on our own data analysis, it is indeed more logic to place it as a part of our work. We have inserted the following paragraph and the figure 1 in the beginning of the Results section as: “Stock assessment data analysis suggested the highest probability for a decrease in recruitment per capita at below average spawner abundance, indicating patterns of an Allee effect (Fig. 1 a). Interestingly, most stocks have been prevalent in the area of the Allee effect threshold (Fig. 1 a, white area), where SSB degradation can have strong repercussions for population and management. In particular at low spawner abundance, below the Allee effect threshold, recruitment per capita ratios are accompanied by temperatures above the average experienced SST (Fig. 1 b, red shading), as well as a below average spawner weight (Fig. 1 c, blue shading). This led us to a hypothesis that spawner weight and SST could have effects on recruitment production at low abundance, which is further tested by the developed model.”
While instead in the introduction on p.6 l.120 we say “Based on literature and preliminary stocks data analysis we hypothesize that consideration of spawner abundance, spawner weight and SST as components of the stock-recruitment function, should give insight on Allee effect dynamics in Atlantic cod.”.
R2-4: 101 Also, Fig. A1 could be cited in M&M, instead of citing it in the Introduction.
Authors: on p.4 l.101-102 of the introduction we changed the phrase “The different stocks are located in the North Atlantic Ocean (see Appendix A: Fig. A1) ), where direction and intensity..” to “In the North Atlantic Ocean direction and intensity.. ” and moved the citation of Fig.A1 to M&M to p. 7 l.136 as follows “For the 17 Atlantic cod stocks, that are located in the North Atlantic Ocean (see Appendix A: Fig. A1), we extracted time series”.
R2-5: 147-148 I assume the age class is a discrete variable. I would rather say its value belongs to the set {1,...,A}.
Authors: thanks, corrected on p.7 l.152.
R2-6: 155 What does 'R' stand for in eqn. (1)? Is it recruitment (line 257)?
Authors: yes, thanks, on p.7 l.159 the change is made from “recruitment production to be..” to “recruitment production function R to be..”
R2-7: 175-177 Should this rather be included in the Discussion?
Authors:
we have moved this phrase to the end of the discussion on p.31 l .591-593.
R2-8: 168-169 & 178-184 I got confused about the description of the basic demographic component. Line 169 states that 'spnum' stands for the abundance of spawners. But, in lines 182-183 you elaborate whether spnum captures mainly the impact of spawner abundance. Is the paragraph in lines 178-184 supposed to describe the 'basic demographic component'? Is this basic demographic component given by eqn. (4)? Or is it given by eqn. (5)? Please, make clear what 'spnum', SSB_N and the demographic component are.
Authors:
Sorry for the confusing description. We used words “spnum”, “spwe” and “SST” as short labels for the models (especially needed for the figures) that take into account effects of spawner number, spawner weight, SST, correspondingly.
SSB_N - is a value calculated similar to SSB, using age-specific historical average spawner weights instead of actual weights and is defined by the Eq.4. It is used instead of SSB in the stock-recruitment function to isolate spawner abundance effect from spawner weight effect.
Demographic component of the stock-recruitment function is the function - H(SSBN) defined by the Eq. 5.
In the revised version we use these short abbreviations only for labeling the models to designate combinations of analyzed effects. We have revised the section 2.3 “Stock-recruitment function with separable effects” to make the description clear.
R2-9: 196 the effect 'of'?
Authors: corrected.
R2-10: 203 Introduce eqn. (6) earlier and not separate from the text. For example, 'The second factor, spwe, captures the effect of deviations in average spawner weight on recruitment production and is defined by 𝐹(𝑦) = (SSB(𝑦)/SSB𝑁(𝑦)) (6).'
Authors: thank you, the equation introduced as suggested earlier in p.9. l.212.
R2-11: 204 Similarly, introduce the equation for the Lorentz function immediately after first mention.
Authors: corrected, Lorentz function introduced on p.9. l.227 after its first mention.
R2-12: 211-217 (at least) If these are findings after model fitting and not data preprocessing, should they be reported in the Results section instead?
Authors: yes, indeed. We moved this paragraph to p.14 l.318-325 of the Results.
R2-13: 222 Please include in the text and introduce earlier. What was SST_0? You're talking about T_0 in the text above eqn. (7).
Authors: this was a typo, on p.l. “T0” changed to “SST0”.
R2-14: 211 Given that there seem to be only two parameters for G, why not introduce both of them in the main text.
Authors: We have added right after the equation 7 on p.10 l.228 both parameters with the following “where SST0 is a SST optimum value, and b – sensitivity to SST.”.
R2-15: 226-227 Often, one prefers not to start a sentence by a symbol. Consider throughout the paper.
Authors: thank you, corrected throughout the text.
R2-16: 240-242 Please modify in a similar way as suggested above.
Authors: done.
R2-17: 244 Now there's also SSB_0 to optimize. Should it also be listed earlier (line 228)?
Authors: Thank you, we forgot to list this parameter. This is corrected now on p.10 l.253.
R2-18: Sections 2.2-2.3 A schematic figure of the overall structure of your model would be nice.
Authors: We have added the scheme of overall model structure as Appendix C: Fig. C2. instead of the extra duplicating text about the model. Former Fig.C2 became Fig.C3.
Please see Figure in the attached pdf file of authors response.
R2-19: 258 I didn't find figure D4 in the Appendix. The last 25 years here mean..?
Authors: thanks, the deletion of one figure in D caused the shift in cited numbers, on p.47 l.766 “Fig. D2-4” is changed to “Fig. D1-3”.
We changed the phrase “Within the last 25 years, all stocks experienced strong declines in SSB” to “All of the stocks cod experienced strong declines in SSB with their historical minima observed after 1990 except for NEA cod stock.”.
R2-20: Figure 2 The figure is great, but the font size could be bigger and, especially, the resolution of the graphics should be higher.
Authors: Unfortunately the figures lost quality because of introducing them into word docx file. All figures are now reinserted into docx file in svg/emf vector format to preserve the best quality of original figures. Each figure will be provided for publication as vector images in a pdf format to provide the best quality. We have increased text font size on Figure 2.
R2-21: 265 But for many of the stocks in Fig A2, the average SST seems to be over 11? For example, Flemish Cap, Georges Bank.
Authors: Very true, corrected. Should be “Average ambient sea surface temperature ranges between 3 °C and 15 °C (Appendix A: Fig. A2, Appendix B: Figure B1.i)…”
R2-22: 266 There is no Figure A1 in Appendix B. However, Fig. B1 illustrates trends and p values for individuals stocks over the whole time series, should you refer to it later (in line 267)?
Authors: yes, the reference to figure B1 is corrected on p.14 l.311.
R2-23: 276-277 I'm not sure if I understood your reasoning. Please, expand/say in another words.
Authors: we improved this paragraph on p.15 l 328-332 as follows: “For example, when fishing pressure of the NEA cod started to decline as part of a management plan, the ocean water was also cooler (triangles symbols, Fig. 2) and thus the stock growth temperature component had the highest value (Appendix C: Fig. C2). This could be the reason behind the increase and recovery of its SSB. Further decline in fishing mortality happened concurrently with ocean warming and likely overweighted the negative response to SST, and the stock continued to grow.”
R2-24: 291 Check consistency with the description in Section 2.3.
Authors: we have made it consistent through out the text designations of the 3 components of SR-function - H(), G(), L() functions and corresponding model designations by significant effects (spnum, spwe, SST).
R2-25: 308-310 Describe the symbols of your figure in the legend instead. Refer here only to your model (components)?
Authors: we have changed this to “We consider that spnum component of SR-function should reflect the inherent density-dependence regulation”.
R2-26: Overall, the text should be readable without the figures and the figures should be described in their legends. For example, instead of 'A high goodness of fit for total biomass (TB) and recruitment (R) time series is shown in Appendix D: Fig. D2-4).' (lines 257-258), could you say 'We obtained a high goodness of fit for total biomass (TB) and recruitment (R) time series (Figs D2-4).'?
Authors: thanks for the suggestion, we corrected accordingly on p.11.l.261-262, p.14 l.318-319, and header of table D1, captions of Fig.2, 3, C2, D1-3.
R2-27: Since the Allee effect threshold SSB_0 plays an important role in your results, should you give it more space in Section 2.3?
Authors: we improved the description of SSB0 and parameter k related to SSB0 on p.9 l.201-204 by changing “SSB0 is the position of the inflection point, where the rate of recruitment production is highest, and k is the function’s steepness at SSB0” to the following “Parameter SSB0 is the position of the inflection point of the recruitment abundance function. Parameter k is the steepness of the curve at point SSB0, which defines the type of recruitment production function, which can be either purely compensatory (k < 2) or with a depensatory region (k > 2). In the latter case corresponding recruitment per capita function (H(SSBN)/SSBN) would have a minimum, that indicates the presence of Allee effect with SSB0 in this case being an Allee effect threshold”.
R2-28: 673 Use Equ./Eq. consistently.
Authors: all made consistent with “Eq”.R2-29: 680 What does 'q' stand for?
Authors: q stands for log-likelihood of the model for which AIC is calculated and is given by the Eq. D1.
R2-30: Figure A1 This is a great illustration. However, it is somewhat challenging to distinguish the alphabets and arrows from the background. Could you use a color for the symbols?
Authors: Thank you for the suggestion. The colors have been changed.
R2-31: 565 'The' --> 'the'
Authors: corrected.
R2-32: Figure C1: This is a nice illustration. However, please tell in all subplots, to which parameter values the different curves correspond, similar to the subplot on the right lower corner.
Authors: The scheme is improved with parameter values corresponding to different curves.
Please see Figure in the attached pdf file of authors response.
R2-33: Figure D2: What are N, NFT etc. abbreviations of?
Authors: These were the intermediate model abbreviations, which were changed later to spnum, spwe and SST. Thank you for noticing, we have corrected Figure D2 with corresponding abbreviations.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
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EC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1248', Kenneth Rose, 31 Mar 2023
As part of addressing reviewer comments, you should also add new text to the Discussion (paragraphs) to directly relate the work to Biogeosciences. This has been noted by me during the review process. Some additional text was added but I noted that that more is needed and it can be done at the revision stage (which is now). Please add to the Discussion examples of how others have examined recruitment using temperature and other variables, which come from biogeochemical data and/or biogeochemical modeling. There are many examples - select 3-5 that are close to your situation with cod (could be similar region, similar stocks, allee effect, etc.). I expect there are existing biogeochemical models for your specific region of study as well. How would use the biogeochemical information (e.g., be able to include a productivity or food index) to help refine, confirm, complement, or improve your analysis? You should also add some text about what could be added to the existing biogeochemistry modeling or data or specifically validated in the models (e.g., food, specific transport outputs, temperature near the bottom), to help with your type of analysis.
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AC3: 'Reply on EC1', Nadezda Vasilyeva, 10 May 2023
Authors Response to Editor comment
EC1: As part of addressing reviewer comments, you should also add new text to the Discussion (paragraphs) to directly relate the work to Biogeosciences. This has been noted by me during the review process. Some additional text was added but I noted that that more is needed and it can be done at the revision stage (which is now). Please add to the Discussion examples of how others have examined recruitment using temperature and other variables, which come from biogeochemical data and/or biogeochemical modeling. There are many examples - select 3-5 that are close to your situation with cod (could be similar region, similar stocks, allee effect, etc.). I expect there are existing biogeochemical models for your specific region of study as well. How would use the biogeochemical information (e.g., be able to include a productivity or food index) to help refine, confirm, complement, or improve your analysis? You should also add some text about what could be added to the existing biogeochemistry modeling or data or specifically validated in the models (e.g., food, specific transport outputs, temperature near the bottom), to help with your type of analysis.
Authors: Instead of l.455-468 we elaborated more on this point and added the following additional paragraph into the discussion “4.2 Linking temperature to biogeochemical processes”.
For Atlantic cod, variation in recruitment production has been linked to changes in sea surface temperature throughout the species’ geographical range (Drinkwater, 2005; Planque and Fredou, 1999; Brander, 2010). Surface water warming crucially influences the planktonic stage of the Atlantic cod larvae, because of the survival and dependence on plankton prey that occupy surface waters (Sundby, 2000; Beaugrand et al., 2003; Clark et al., 2003).
In this study, temperature is used as an index for biogeochemical processes that largely determines the variability in Atlantic cod recruitment, however, it does not elaborate on the mechanisms behind. Physical oceanographic models that link temperature to biogeochemical processes can provide more information on how and when temperature influences recruitment by helping to extract other biogeochemical variables relevant to recruitment, such as oxygen, salinity, nutrients or plankton - the variability of which is often directly temperature dependent.
The negative temperature impact on Baltic cod recruitment (Table 1) could be for example due to the temperature driven decrease in oxygen solubility and rise of oxygen consumption by the increased bacterial decay of surplus primary production (Hinrichsen et al., 2011), creating hypoxia and increased mortality. Low salinity can decrease the buoyancy of cod eggs that will sink down to oxygen-depleted layers and die, decreasing reproductive success (Nielsen et al., 2013). The inflow of high salinity waters thus influences when temperature affects cod recruitment and may be an important factor to consider for e.g. the Baltic cod (Pécuchet et al., 2014) and Flemish Cap stock (Ruiz-Díaz et al., 2022) to explain their response to warming.
Ocean warming also increases the release of nutrients (Rodgers, 2021), creating eutrophication that further contributes to oxygen depletion and can hamper the foraging behavior and food quality of young cod (Isaksson et al., 1994). For example, the North Sea plankton communities have undergone a shift towards smaller, warm water plankton species, which are of lower food quality for Atlantic cod and impact their survival (Beaugrand et al., 2003a; Beaugrand and Kirby, 2010), which could be a mechanism behind the negative temperature-recruitment relation in North Sea cod found here.
Besides temperature, various biogeochemical variables have been incorporated into stock-recruitment models of Atlantic cod (e.g. acidification (Stiasny et al., 2016), salinity (Heikinheimo, 2008), plankton (Olsen et al., 2011)), and biogeochemical models have been directly coupled to life stage (Daewel et al., 2011; Hinrichsen et al., 2002) and species distribution models (Gogina et al., 2020). Such spatial explicit models that couple oceanographic features with population density would be of particular interest for the research on Allee effect dynamics, where the density-abundance relation as well as local environmental conditions are important.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1248-AC3
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