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Insights into the role of dicarboxylic acid on CCN activity: implications for surface tension and phase state effects
Abstract. Dicarboxylic acids are ubiquitous in atmospheric aerosol particles, but their roles as surfactants in cloud condensation nuclei (CCN) activity remain unclear. In this study, we investigated CCN activity of inorganic salt (sodium chloride and ammonium sulfate) and dicarboxylic acid (including malonic acid (MA), phenylmalonic acid (PhMA), succinic acid (SA), phenylsuccinic acid (PhSA), adipic acid (AA), pimelic acid (PA) and octanedioic acid (OA)) mixed particles with varied organic volume fraction (OVF), and then directly determined their surface tension and phase state at high relative humidity (over 99.5 %) by atomic force microscopy (AFM). Our results showed that CCN derived κCCN of studied dicarboxylic acids ranged in 0.003–0.240. A linearly positive relation between κCCN and solubility was obtained for slightly dissolved species, while negative relation was found between κCCN and molecular volume for highly soluble species. For most inorganic salt/dicarboxylic acid (MA, PhMA, SA, PhSA and PA), a good closure within 30 % relative bias between κCCN and chemistry derived κChem were obtained. However, κCCN values of inorganic salt/AA and inorganic salt/OA systems were surprisingly 0.3–3.0 times higher than κChem, which was attributed to surface tension reduction as AFM results showed that their surface tensions were 20 %–42 % lower than that of water (72 mN m-1). Meanwhile, semisolid phase states were obtained for inorganic salt/AA and inorganic salt/OA and may also affect hygroscopicity closure results. Our study highlights that surface tension reduction should be considered to investigate aerosol-cloud interactions.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-913', Anonymous Referee #1, 08 Oct 2022
This manuscript investigated the CCN activity of the mixtures of inorganic salt and dicarboxylic acid and further determined their phase state and surface tension by using the atomic force microscopy. The results show that the bias between the kCCN and kChem of inorganic salt/AA and inorganic salt/OA can be explained by the surface tension reduction. The study highlights the role of surface tension reduction in evaluating CCN activity. The study is interesting in several aspects. The topic is one that is currently undergoing debate in the atmospheric chemistry and aerosols science communities, and it is of interest to the readership of ACP. The study could be acceptable for publication if revisions are made with consideration of the issues listed below.
One of my major concern is that the measured size of collected particles in this study, which ranged from 0.4-1μm. But, as has been known that, surface tension lowering effect by the surfactants was more important or obvious for fine and ultrafine particles with diameters smaller than 100 nm (Ovadnevaite et al., 2017). As particles grows, the solution is diluted and the surface tension lowering effect becomes weak. So, it would be more meaningful and or with scientific significance if the authors could look at and measure the smaller size particles.
Moreover, in this study, the Kappa closure was conducted by measuring the pure and mixed inorganics and organics. However, the authors measured within the size range of ~50-260 nm as given in Table 2, which is different with the size range when they used for measuring surface tension. So, can the bias between kCCN and kChem based on the larger size explain the effect of surface tension reduction? The surface tension should also dependent on particle size.
In addition, it is not very clear that how did the author get the Kappa values of each individual pure component, some more details are suggested to include in the Method.
Also, it is mentioned in the paper that the surface tension lowering is jointly determined by solubility, deliquescence RH and surface activity, and the influence of solubility is greater. This conclusion is based on the data results that the surface tension of the two dicarboxylic acids (AA and OA) with low solubility decreases significantly at most. At the same time, these two dicarboxylic acids also have the higher deliquescence point and the longer carbon chain. However, the influence of deliquescence point on surface tension has not been discussed in this paper. As mentioned earlier, the particles are already liquid when measuring, that is, fully deliquescence. Is there a causal relationship between the deliquescence point and the surface tension lowering? In addition, does the carbon chain length mean that the surface activity must be strong? The authors may refer some previous studies to further clarify this.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-913-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Zhibin Wang, 13 Nov 2022
We truly appreciate the constructive comments and suggestions raised by the reviewer. Those comments are valuable and very helpful for improving our paper, as well as the important guiding significance to our studies. We have provided a point-by-point response to individual comment in supplement.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Zhibin Wang, 13 Nov 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-913', Anonymous Referee #2, 08 Oct 2022
The manuscript by Xiong et al. discussed the impact of surface tension reduction on CCN activity of dicabocylic acid-inorganic salt mixtures. CCN activity was quantified using the CCN counter, and surface tension was measured using the AFM. The data suggested that observed kappa values for adipic acid (AA) and octanedioic acid (OA) cannot be well explained by chemical composition when surface tension of water is assumed. The AFM data demonstrated that the values of surface tension for these particles were significantly lower than that of water. The result makes sense, and the output of the study will be useful for future studies on CCN activity. I have some comments on the manuscript that needs to be considered for making it to be acceptable to the journal. I also suggest the authors to ask a native speaker of English for checking grammatical issues on the manuscript.
Major comments
The manuscript qualitatively connected reduction in surface tension and kappa. However, these two parameters are not quantitatively connected in the current manuscript. For instance, it would be possible to develop a multicomponent Kohler model considering water-solubility of pure organic compounds, and investigate sensitivity of the measured kappa values on the assumed value of surface tension. If the measured values of surface tension can explain the experimentally constrained value of kappa, this study could be more quantitative. The reviewer would imagine that the quantitative study could have been easier if information about particle water contents were to be available for the AFM data. Would the authors provide comment on it?
Minor comments
Title
Researchers in the area already know that dicarboxylic acids are important contributors to CCN. It is better to stress the novelty of the study in the title better.
L33
Add references to support the statement.
2.1.2 CCN activity measurements
Qualities of the compressed air and water for the atomizer are very important for CCN activity studies of acidic chemical species. Ammonia ubiquitously exists in an indoor environment. Based on the reviewer’s experience, it has never been easy to generate ammonia-free dicarboxylic acid particles. I suggest adding further details about particle generation in the revised manuscript.
L93
Is there any reason why the authors selected the hydrophobic silicon wafer as a substrate? What would be the advantages/disadvantages of the substrate when compared with other types of substrate?
L99
I checked the datasheet of SHT 85. The accuracy of the sensor is +- 1.5%. The authors mentioned in the manuscript that the AFM measurement was conducted at 99.5% of RH. The uncertainty of 1.5% for the high RH region influences significantly influences thermodynamic properties. The potential influence of uncertainties in RH measurements on the AFM data would need to be discussed in detail.
L103
Ideally, this manuscript should be published after the publication of the procedure for making the nanotip. At least, the name of the potential first author needs to be stated so that the readers will be able to search for the corresponding paper if necessary.
L122
OVF needs to be defined.
L133
Although the authors mention that the data are consistent with previous results, they are actually slightly different, as discussed in the following sentences in the same paragraph. The expression should be updated for representing the comparison more accurately.
L144
It is not clear to me how the criteria for highly- and slightly- soluble compounds were developed, and why it is important for the present study. Further information is needed.
L172 – 174
I could not understand what this long sentence means well. It would be great if the authors could update the description.
Table 1
What does ‘guaranteed reagent’ mean? Would you provide the detailed information about what is specifically guaranteed?
Table 2
Please use “Not Available” when a previous study does not exist, rather than mentioning ‘this study.’
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-913-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Zhibin Wang, 13 Nov 2022
We truly appreciate the constructive comments and suggestions raised by the reviewer. Those comments are valuable and very helpful for improving our paper, as well as the important guiding significance to our studies. Below we provide a point-by-point response to individual comment.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Zhibin Wang, 13 Nov 2022
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Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-913', Anonymous Referee #1, 08 Oct 2022
This manuscript investigated the CCN activity of the mixtures of inorganic salt and dicarboxylic acid and further determined their phase state and surface tension by using the atomic force microscopy. The results show that the bias between the kCCN and kChem of inorganic salt/AA and inorganic salt/OA can be explained by the surface tension reduction. The study highlights the role of surface tension reduction in evaluating CCN activity. The study is interesting in several aspects. The topic is one that is currently undergoing debate in the atmospheric chemistry and aerosols science communities, and it is of interest to the readership of ACP. The study could be acceptable for publication if revisions are made with consideration of the issues listed below.
One of my major concern is that the measured size of collected particles in this study, which ranged from 0.4-1μm. But, as has been known that, surface tension lowering effect by the surfactants was more important or obvious for fine and ultrafine particles with diameters smaller than 100 nm (Ovadnevaite et al., 2017). As particles grows, the solution is diluted and the surface tension lowering effect becomes weak. So, it would be more meaningful and or with scientific significance if the authors could look at and measure the smaller size particles.
Moreover, in this study, the Kappa closure was conducted by measuring the pure and mixed inorganics and organics. However, the authors measured within the size range of ~50-260 nm as given in Table 2, which is different with the size range when they used for measuring surface tension. So, can the bias between kCCN and kChem based on the larger size explain the effect of surface tension reduction? The surface tension should also dependent on particle size.
In addition, it is not very clear that how did the author get the Kappa values of each individual pure component, some more details are suggested to include in the Method.
Also, it is mentioned in the paper that the surface tension lowering is jointly determined by solubility, deliquescence RH and surface activity, and the influence of solubility is greater. This conclusion is based on the data results that the surface tension of the two dicarboxylic acids (AA and OA) with low solubility decreases significantly at most. At the same time, these two dicarboxylic acids also have the higher deliquescence point and the longer carbon chain. However, the influence of deliquescence point on surface tension has not been discussed in this paper. As mentioned earlier, the particles are already liquid when measuring, that is, fully deliquescence. Is there a causal relationship between the deliquescence point and the surface tension lowering? In addition, does the carbon chain length mean that the surface activity must be strong? The authors may refer some previous studies to further clarify this.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-913-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Zhibin Wang, 13 Nov 2022
We truly appreciate the constructive comments and suggestions raised by the reviewer. Those comments are valuable and very helpful for improving our paper, as well as the important guiding significance to our studies. We have provided a point-by-point response to individual comment in supplement.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Zhibin Wang, 13 Nov 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-913', Anonymous Referee #2, 08 Oct 2022
The manuscript by Xiong et al. discussed the impact of surface tension reduction on CCN activity of dicabocylic acid-inorganic salt mixtures. CCN activity was quantified using the CCN counter, and surface tension was measured using the AFM. The data suggested that observed kappa values for adipic acid (AA) and octanedioic acid (OA) cannot be well explained by chemical composition when surface tension of water is assumed. The AFM data demonstrated that the values of surface tension for these particles were significantly lower than that of water. The result makes sense, and the output of the study will be useful for future studies on CCN activity. I have some comments on the manuscript that needs to be considered for making it to be acceptable to the journal. I also suggest the authors to ask a native speaker of English for checking grammatical issues on the manuscript.
Major comments
The manuscript qualitatively connected reduction in surface tension and kappa. However, these two parameters are not quantitatively connected in the current manuscript. For instance, it would be possible to develop a multicomponent Kohler model considering water-solubility of pure organic compounds, and investigate sensitivity of the measured kappa values on the assumed value of surface tension. If the measured values of surface tension can explain the experimentally constrained value of kappa, this study could be more quantitative. The reviewer would imagine that the quantitative study could have been easier if information about particle water contents were to be available for the AFM data. Would the authors provide comment on it?
Minor comments
Title
Researchers in the area already know that dicarboxylic acids are important contributors to CCN. It is better to stress the novelty of the study in the title better.
L33
Add references to support the statement.
2.1.2 CCN activity measurements
Qualities of the compressed air and water for the atomizer are very important for CCN activity studies of acidic chemical species. Ammonia ubiquitously exists in an indoor environment. Based on the reviewer’s experience, it has never been easy to generate ammonia-free dicarboxylic acid particles. I suggest adding further details about particle generation in the revised manuscript.
L93
Is there any reason why the authors selected the hydrophobic silicon wafer as a substrate? What would be the advantages/disadvantages of the substrate when compared with other types of substrate?
L99
I checked the datasheet of SHT 85. The accuracy of the sensor is +- 1.5%. The authors mentioned in the manuscript that the AFM measurement was conducted at 99.5% of RH. The uncertainty of 1.5% for the high RH region influences significantly influences thermodynamic properties. The potential influence of uncertainties in RH measurements on the AFM data would need to be discussed in detail.
L103
Ideally, this manuscript should be published after the publication of the procedure for making the nanotip. At least, the name of the potential first author needs to be stated so that the readers will be able to search for the corresponding paper if necessary.
L122
OVF needs to be defined.
L133
Although the authors mention that the data are consistent with previous results, they are actually slightly different, as discussed in the following sentences in the same paragraph. The expression should be updated for representing the comparison more accurately.
L144
It is not clear to me how the criteria for highly- and slightly- soluble compounds were developed, and why it is important for the present study. Further information is needed.
L172 – 174
I could not understand what this long sentence means well. It would be great if the authors could update the description.
Table 1
What does ‘guaranteed reagent’ mean? Would you provide the detailed information about what is specifically guaranteed?
Table 2
Please use “Not Available” when a previous study does not exist, rather than mentioning ‘this study.’
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-913-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Zhibin Wang, 13 Nov 2022
We truly appreciate the constructive comments and suggestions raised by the reviewer. Those comments are valuable and very helpful for improving our paper, as well as the important guiding significance to our studies. Below we provide a point-by-point response to individual comment.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Zhibin Wang, 13 Nov 2022
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