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250 years of daily weather: Temperature and precipitation fields for Switzerland since 1763
Abstract. Climate reconstructions give insights into monthly and seasonal climate variability of the past few hundred years. However, for understanding past extreme weather events and for relating them to impacts, for example to periods of extreme floods or to yield losses, reconstructions on a daily time scale are needed. Here, we present a data set of 250 years of daily temperature and precipitation fields for Switzerland from 1763 to 2020, which has been created using early instrumental data. The temperature reconstruction shows even for an early period before 1800 with scarce data availability good results, especially in the Swiss Plateau. For the precipitation reconstruction, skills are considerably lower, which can be related to the few precipitation measurements available and the heterogeneous nature of precipitation. By means of a case study on the wet and cold years from 1769 to 1772, which triggered wide-spread famine across Europe, we show that this dataset allows more detailed analyses than hitherto possible.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1140', Anonymous Referee #1, 04 Dec 2022
The manuscript presents a climate field reconstruction of daily temperature and precipitation in Switzerland in the period from 1763 onwards. The spatially resolved reconstruction is based on long station records from few stations. These are then upscaled using in the analog method, choosing the best analog of those historical data in a high-resolution present-climate data set. Some corrections are necessary to align the historical and present-day climatology. The analog reconstructions are then refined using an off-line Kalman Filter approach, which has been used in previous publications by the group in Bern
The manuscript is, in my opinion, very well written. It is clear, offers all information necessary to understand the method and the results. Although the aim of the manuscript is mainly to present the data set, a short more detailed study on the bad harvest years at the end of the 18th century is also presented. This is also instructive.
My recommendation is that the manuscript can be almost accepted as is now. I have a few recommendations that the authors may want to consider.
MAIN POINT
1) An advantage of daily-scale reconstructions is that one can also analyse the temporal persistence of climate anomalies. An open question is whether the analog + Kalman filter method is ables to capture the serial correlation of the temperature reconstructions or the distribution of length of dry or wet periods , the so called storm inter-arrival times. This can be relevant for the study of droughts, for instance.. Indeed the example presented in the manuscript seems to be characterized more by the length of the anomalies than by its intensity. Also, if the data presented here are to be used to drive an agricultural model, a good representation of the temporal persistence may be important.
I would thus suggest to include one figure with some of those results
MINOR POINTS
2) Are the data in the present reconstruction and in the data the flowed into EKF400v2 independent ?
3) The bast estimate in the analog method is the closest analog, but the model error covariance matrix in the KF is estimated from the 50 closest analogues. Isn't this an inconsistency ? Shouldnt the central estimate be for instance the median of the 50 closest analogs ?
4) Crops need a certain amount of energy in the form of temperature to reach their different phenological stages
In my limited understanding, temperature is relevant for the speed of the the metabolic reactions in the plant. The energy itself stems from the solar radiation
5) The area, where a GDD of 1000 is never reached, is much larger, meaning, that some cereals never fully developed.
Two commas in the sentence need to be deleted: The area where a GDD of 1000 is never reached is much larger, meaning, that some cereals never fully developed.
6) I think that a sentence in English can not begin with a number. The title should read 'Two hundred and fifty years of..' .or it should be modified, for instance, by 'Daily weather over 205 years...'
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1140-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Imfeld Noemi, 18 Jan 2023
Thanks you for the review and your suggestions. You can find our answers to the comments below.
MAIN POINT
Comment 1) An advantage of daily-scale reconstructions is that one can also analyse the temporal persistence of climate anomalies. An open question is whether the analog + Kalman filter method is ables to capture the serial correlation of the temperature reconstructions or the distribution of length of dry or wet periods , the so called storm inter-arrival times. This can be relevant for the study of droughts, for instance.. Indeed the example presented in the manuscript seems to be characterized more by the length of the anomalies than by its intensity. Also, if the data presented here are to be used to drive an agricultural model, a good representation of the temporal persistence may be important.
I would thus suggest to include one figure with some of those results.
Reply 1) Thank you for this comment. An additional evaluation of whether the data set reproduces temporal persistence is relevant. We will conduct the following further analyses on the cross-validation data:
- for precipitation: we suggest calculating the probability of a dry (wet) day followed by a dry (wet) day (Pww, Pdd) and comparing these values for the different network set-ups (see Moon et al. 2019) in space and time.
- for temperature: we suggest calculating 1 to 5 -day lag autocorrelation for the different network set-ups and comparing these values in space and time.
To avoid making the manuscript unnecessarily long, we will add these analyses to the supplement.
MINOR POINTS
Comment 2) Are the data in the present reconstruction and in the data the flowed into EKF400v2 independent ?
Reply 2) In EKF400v2, observations are assimilated at the same locations as in the here presented dataset (see Valler et al. 2019). For example, for Milano and Hohenpeissenberg, these are the same observations. However, we also use updated time series that include newly digitized data (see Brugnara et al. 2020, 2022). In Table 1, the source of the data is listed. We will add a sentence in Chapter 5 on line 430 stating that the three data sets shown in Fig. 7 are partially based on the same data.
Comment 3) The bast estimate in the analog method is the closest analog, but the model error covariance matrix in the KF is estimated from the 50 closest analogues. Isn't this an inconsistency ? Shouldnt the central estimate be for instance the median of the 50 closest analogs ?
Reply 3) Unlike model simulations, where all members could be considered equally likely, the fields generated by the analog resampling differ in their reconstruction skills. For days with large differences in the similarity measures (Gower distance/RMSE), we can assume that the best analog day represents the historical field at the observation locations better than for example the 50th analog. The update of the mean is based on the entire 50 analogs (equation 3), whereas for the final reconstructed field (the analysis), we use only the first analog of the updated anomalies (equation 4). In order to consider all 50 analog days, in our approach, one should give weights to the analog days depending on their similarity measures. We did, however, not test whether this would increase the reconstruction skill. Furthermore, using one analog day yields a physically consistent field. This is not the case if the mean or the median of the 50 analog days is used.
Comment 4) Crops need a certain amount of energy in the form of temperature to reach their different phenological stages
In my limited understanding, temperature is relevant for the speed of the the metabolic reactions in the plant. The energy itself stems from the solar radiation
Reply 4) We agree that this sentence is not well formulated. We will reformulate the paragraph as follows:
Crops require a certain amount of accumulated heat to reach their different phenological stages. The growing degree days (GDD) index can be used to express this heat accumulation needed until a phenological stage is reached (Wypych et al. 2017). GDD is calculated as the sum of daily mean temperature above a certain threshold of daily mean temperature (e.g. Bonhomme, 2000).
Comment 5) The area, where a GDD of 1000 is never reached, is much larger, meaning, that some cereals never fully developed.
Two commas in the sentence need to be deleted: The area where a GDD of 1000 is never reached is much larger, meaning, that some cereals never fully developed.
Reply 5) Thank you, we will correct this sentence in the updated manuscript.
Comment 6) I think that a sentence in English can not begin with a number. The title should read 'Two hundred and fifty years of..' .or it should be modified, for instance, by 'Daily weather over 205 years...'
Reply 6) We suggest changing the title to “A 258-year-long data set of temperature and precipitation fields for Switzerland since 1763”.
References:
Brugnara, Y., Pfister, L., Villiger, L., Rohr, C., Isotta, F. A., & Brönnimann, S. (2020). Early instrumental meteorological observations in Switzerland: 1708–1873. Earth System Science Data, 12(2), 1179-1190
Brugnara, Y., Hari, C., Pfister, L., Valler, V., and Brönnimann, S. (2022) Pre-industrial temperature variability on the Swiss Plateau derived from the instrumental daily series of Bern. and Zurich, Clim. Past, 18, 2357–2379, https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-18-2357-2022
Moon, H., Gudmundsson, L., Guillod, B. P., Venugopal, V., & Seneviratne, S. I. (2019). Intercomparison of daily precipitation persistence in multiple global observations and climate models. Environmental Research Letters, 14(10), 105009.
Valler, V., Franke, J., Brugnara, Y. & Brönnimann, S. (2021). An updated global atmospheric paleo-reanalysis covering the last 400 years. Geosc. Data J. https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/gdj3.121.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1140-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Imfeld Noemi, 18 Jan 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1140', Anonymous Referee #2, 22 Dec 2022
Review of “250 years of daily weather: Temperature and precipitation fields for Switzerland since 1763” by Imfeld et al.
This manuscripts presents a 250-year reconstruction of gridded daily temperature and precipitation over Switzerland, extending the work of Pfister at al. (2020) back to 1763. The methodology includes various approaches and steps to cope with the issues linked to the scarceness, sparsity, and quality of historical observations. The manuscript is very well written, all validation experiments well documented, and the 18th century case study allows to even better catch the quality of reconstructions in such old times. Reconstructed data are moreover provided together with the manuscript, which is to be commended. I would therefore warmly recommend publication in Climate of the Past, provided the minor comments listed below are addressed.
Main comments
- Data assimilation is made here at the daily time step, in order to correctly represent day-to-day variations in temperature. Devers et al. (2021) showed that this is however not sufficient to guarantee the right longer-term (annual to multi-decadal) anomalies. More generally, this manuscript – along with the previous one – does not engage in any long-term assessment of the long-term datasets, i.e. an assessment of long-term variability and climate. This is in my view quite unfortunate as such a dataset may be quite valuable on both aspects (day-to-day and spatial variability, and long-term evolutions). I would not ask for properly validating the long-term behaviour of the dataset, as we all know that this is perhaps the most difficult task when dealing with highly evolving network measurements and quality. However, some insights about the long-term evolution of Swiss climate as reconstructed in this dataset would be highly appreciated, and would probably bring more information on the dataset quality, notably on its temporal homogeneity across the three main periods.
- The method developed here is accurately detailed in the data and methods section. However, it involves such a large number of steps (detrending, bias-correction, resampling, etc.), that at the end of the day, the reader is not sure anymore on the path followed by the original data. I am unsure on how this could be even more clarified in the manuscript. Maybe a schematic?.
- I appreciate the effort made in taking account of precipitation occurrence observations, notably through the Gower distance. On the precipitation topic, I was wondering whether assimilation of precipitation (and precipitation occurrence) have been tested here instead of the quantile mapping step.
Specific comments
- L220-222: Isn’t it a source for non homogeneity in time?
- L280-281 and Fig. 4: It is not that clear if the analogy is made on these different subsets of stations (networks) for this cross-validation exercise and then applied on the whole Swiss domain (I guess this is the case). Please clarify this.
- L376-382: Figure 6 should be referred to here.
Technical corrections
- L217: “the partial distance of is” → “the partial distance is”
References
Devers, A., Vidal, J.-P., Lauvernet, C. & Vannier, O.: FYRE Climate: A high-resolution reanalysis of daily precipitation and temperature in France from 1871 to 2012, Clim. Past, 2021, 17, 1857–1879, https://10.5194/cp-17-1857-2021, 2021
Pfister, L., Brönnimann, S., Schwander, M., Isotta, F. A., Horton, P., and Rohr, C.: Statistical reconstruction of daily precipitation and temperature fields in Switzerland back to 1864, Clim. Past, 16, 663–678, https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-16-663-2020, 2020
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1140-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Imfeld Noemi, 18 Jan 2023
Thank you for the review. You can find our answers below the comments.
Main comments
Data assimilation is made here at the daily time step, in order to correctly represent day-to-day variations in temperature. Devers et al. (2021) showed that this is however not sufficient to guarantee the right longer-term (annual to multi-decadal) anomalies. More generally, this manuscript – along with the previous one – does not engage in any long-term assessment of the long-term datasets, i.e. an assessment of long-term variability and climate. This is in my view quite unfortunate as such a dataset may be quite valuable on both aspects (day-to-day and spatial variability, and long-term evolutions). I would not ask for properly validating the long-term behaviour of the dataset, as we all know that this is perhaps the most difficult task when dealing with highly evolving network measurements and quality. However, some insights about the long-term evolution of Swiss climate as reconstructed in this dataset would be highly appreciated, and would probably bring more information on the dataset quality, notably on its temporal homogeneity across the three main periods.
Thank you for this comment. We will add a chapter in section 4 where we show and discuss the long-term evolution of the Swiss climate as reconstructed in our data set and compare it to other data set, e.g. the Swiss mean monthly temperature fields (since 1864) and the two data sets EKF400 and Casty, which are also used in Fig. 7.
The method developed here is accurately detailed in the data and methods section. However, it involves such a large number of steps (detrending, bias-correction, resampling, etc.), that at the end of the day, the reader is not sure anymore on the path followed by the original data. I am unsure on how this could be even more clarified in the manuscript. Maybe a schematic?
We will add as a new Figure 2 a schematic that describes the reconstruction procedure. You can find a draft of the schematic in the attachment of the reply.
I appreciate the effort made in taking account of precipitation occurrence observations, notably through the Gower distance. On the precipitation topic, I was wondering whether assimilation of precipitation (and precipitation occurrence) have been tested here instead of the quantile mapping step.
We did not assimilate precipitation data (as s done in Devers et al. 2021) due to the low amount of precipitation observations available in the historical period before 1864, which is the main focus of the manuscript. However, data assimilation could improve the reconstruction from 1864 to 1960, when more measurements are available.
Specific comments
- L220-222: Isn’t it a source for non homogeneity in time?
Using the Gower distance and RMSE for the period after 1864, did not lead to substantial differences in the reconstructions. The main source of inhomogeneity in the data set stems from the temporal changes in the station network. Break points for individual locations are indeed detected at time steps for which the network changes considerably.
- L280-281 and Fig. 4: It is not that clear if the analogy is made on these different subsets of stations (networks) for this cross-validation exercise and then applied on the whole Swiss domain (I guess this is the case). Please clarify this.
Cross-validation is performed for the networks with different station densities to demonstrate the change in the skill of the reconstructions for different time periods. The entire reconstruction is run on all available data. We will clarify this sentence.
- L376-382: Figure 6 should be referred to here.
Thank you, we will add this. The reference to Figure 6 was missing.
Technical corrections
- L217: “the partial distance of is” → “the partial distance is”
Thank you, we will correct this sentence.
References:
Devers, A., Vidal, J. P., Lauvernet, C., & Vannier, O. (2021). FYRE Climate: a high-resolution reanalysis of daily precipitation and temperature in France from 1871 to 2012. Climate of the Past, 17(5), 1857-1879.
Interactive discussion
Status: closed
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1140', Anonymous Referee #1, 04 Dec 2022
The manuscript presents a climate field reconstruction of daily temperature and precipitation in Switzerland in the period from 1763 onwards. The spatially resolved reconstruction is based on long station records from few stations. These are then upscaled using in the analog method, choosing the best analog of those historical data in a high-resolution present-climate data set. Some corrections are necessary to align the historical and present-day climatology. The analog reconstructions are then refined using an off-line Kalman Filter approach, which has been used in previous publications by the group in Bern
The manuscript is, in my opinion, very well written. It is clear, offers all information necessary to understand the method and the results. Although the aim of the manuscript is mainly to present the data set, a short more detailed study on the bad harvest years at the end of the 18th century is also presented. This is also instructive.
My recommendation is that the manuscript can be almost accepted as is now. I have a few recommendations that the authors may want to consider.
MAIN POINT
1) An advantage of daily-scale reconstructions is that one can also analyse the temporal persistence of climate anomalies. An open question is whether the analog + Kalman filter method is ables to capture the serial correlation of the temperature reconstructions or the distribution of length of dry or wet periods , the so called storm inter-arrival times. This can be relevant for the study of droughts, for instance.. Indeed the example presented in the manuscript seems to be characterized more by the length of the anomalies than by its intensity. Also, if the data presented here are to be used to drive an agricultural model, a good representation of the temporal persistence may be important.
I would thus suggest to include one figure with some of those results
MINOR POINTS
2) Are the data in the present reconstruction and in the data the flowed into EKF400v2 independent ?
3) The bast estimate in the analog method is the closest analog, but the model error covariance matrix in the KF is estimated from the 50 closest analogues. Isn't this an inconsistency ? Shouldnt the central estimate be for instance the median of the 50 closest analogs ?
4) Crops need a certain amount of energy in the form of temperature to reach their different phenological stages
In my limited understanding, temperature is relevant for the speed of the the metabolic reactions in the plant. The energy itself stems from the solar radiation
5) The area, where a GDD of 1000 is never reached, is much larger, meaning, that some cereals never fully developed.
Two commas in the sentence need to be deleted: The area where a GDD of 1000 is never reached is much larger, meaning, that some cereals never fully developed.
6) I think that a sentence in English can not begin with a number. The title should read 'Two hundred and fifty years of..' .or it should be modified, for instance, by 'Daily weather over 205 years...'
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1140-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Imfeld Noemi, 18 Jan 2023
Thanks you for the review and your suggestions. You can find our answers to the comments below.
MAIN POINT
Comment 1) An advantage of daily-scale reconstructions is that one can also analyse the temporal persistence of climate anomalies. An open question is whether the analog + Kalman filter method is ables to capture the serial correlation of the temperature reconstructions or the distribution of length of dry or wet periods , the so called storm inter-arrival times. This can be relevant for the study of droughts, for instance.. Indeed the example presented in the manuscript seems to be characterized more by the length of the anomalies than by its intensity. Also, if the data presented here are to be used to drive an agricultural model, a good representation of the temporal persistence may be important.
I would thus suggest to include one figure with some of those results.
Reply 1) Thank you for this comment. An additional evaluation of whether the data set reproduces temporal persistence is relevant. We will conduct the following further analyses on the cross-validation data:
- for precipitation: we suggest calculating the probability of a dry (wet) day followed by a dry (wet) day (Pww, Pdd) and comparing these values for the different network set-ups (see Moon et al. 2019) in space and time.
- for temperature: we suggest calculating 1 to 5 -day lag autocorrelation for the different network set-ups and comparing these values in space and time.
To avoid making the manuscript unnecessarily long, we will add these analyses to the supplement.
MINOR POINTS
Comment 2) Are the data in the present reconstruction and in the data the flowed into EKF400v2 independent ?
Reply 2) In EKF400v2, observations are assimilated at the same locations as in the here presented dataset (see Valler et al. 2019). For example, for Milano and Hohenpeissenberg, these are the same observations. However, we also use updated time series that include newly digitized data (see Brugnara et al. 2020, 2022). In Table 1, the source of the data is listed. We will add a sentence in Chapter 5 on line 430 stating that the three data sets shown in Fig. 7 are partially based on the same data.
Comment 3) The bast estimate in the analog method is the closest analog, but the model error covariance matrix in the KF is estimated from the 50 closest analogues. Isn't this an inconsistency ? Shouldnt the central estimate be for instance the median of the 50 closest analogs ?
Reply 3) Unlike model simulations, where all members could be considered equally likely, the fields generated by the analog resampling differ in their reconstruction skills. For days with large differences in the similarity measures (Gower distance/RMSE), we can assume that the best analog day represents the historical field at the observation locations better than for example the 50th analog. The update of the mean is based on the entire 50 analogs (equation 3), whereas for the final reconstructed field (the analysis), we use only the first analog of the updated anomalies (equation 4). In order to consider all 50 analog days, in our approach, one should give weights to the analog days depending on their similarity measures. We did, however, not test whether this would increase the reconstruction skill. Furthermore, using one analog day yields a physically consistent field. This is not the case if the mean or the median of the 50 analog days is used.
Comment 4) Crops need a certain amount of energy in the form of temperature to reach their different phenological stages
In my limited understanding, temperature is relevant for the speed of the the metabolic reactions in the plant. The energy itself stems from the solar radiation
Reply 4) We agree that this sentence is not well formulated. We will reformulate the paragraph as follows:
Crops require a certain amount of accumulated heat to reach their different phenological stages. The growing degree days (GDD) index can be used to express this heat accumulation needed until a phenological stage is reached (Wypych et al. 2017). GDD is calculated as the sum of daily mean temperature above a certain threshold of daily mean temperature (e.g. Bonhomme, 2000).
Comment 5) The area, where a GDD of 1000 is never reached, is much larger, meaning, that some cereals never fully developed.
Two commas in the sentence need to be deleted: The area where a GDD of 1000 is never reached is much larger, meaning, that some cereals never fully developed.
Reply 5) Thank you, we will correct this sentence in the updated manuscript.
Comment 6) I think that a sentence in English can not begin with a number. The title should read 'Two hundred and fifty years of..' .or it should be modified, for instance, by 'Daily weather over 205 years...'
Reply 6) We suggest changing the title to “A 258-year-long data set of temperature and precipitation fields for Switzerland since 1763”.
References:
Brugnara, Y., Pfister, L., Villiger, L., Rohr, C., Isotta, F. A., & Brönnimann, S. (2020). Early instrumental meteorological observations in Switzerland: 1708–1873. Earth System Science Data, 12(2), 1179-1190
Brugnara, Y., Hari, C., Pfister, L., Valler, V., and Brönnimann, S. (2022) Pre-industrial temperature variability on the Swiss Plateau derived from the instrumental daily series of Bern. and Zurich, Clim. Past, 18, 2357–2379, https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-18-2357-2022
Moon, H., Gudmundsson, L., Guillod, B. P., Venugopal, V., & Seneviratne, S. I. (2019). Intercomparison of daily precipitation persistence in multiple global observations and climate models. Environmental Research Letters, 14(10), 105009.
Valler, V., Franke, J., Brugnara, Y. & Brönnimann, S. (2021). An updated global atmospheric paleo-reanalysis covering the last 400 years. Geosc. Data J. https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/gdj3.121.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1140-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Imfeld Noemi, 18 Jan 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2022-1140', Anonymous Referee #2, 22 Dec 2022
Review of “250 years of daily weather: Temperature and precipitation fields for Switzerland since 1763” by Imfeld et al.
This manuscripts presents a 250-year reconstruction of gridded daily temperature and precipitation over Switzerland, extending the work of Pfister at al. (2020) back to 1763. The methodology includes various approaches and steps to cope with the issues linked to the scarceness, sparsity, and quality of historical observations. The manuscript is very well written, all validation experiments well documented, and the 18th century case study allows to even better catch the quality of reconstructions in such old times. Reconstructed data are moreover provided together with the manuscript, which is to be commended. I would therefore warmly recommend publication in Climate of the Past, provided the minor comments listed below are addressed.
Main comments
- Data assimilation is made here at the daily time step, in order to correctly represent day-to-day variations in temperature. Devers et al. (2021) showed that this is however not sufficient to guarantee the right longer-term (annual to multi-decadal) anomalies. More generally, this manuscript – along with the previous one – does not engage in any long-term assessment of the long-term datasets, i.e. an assessment of long-term variability and climate. This is in my view quite unfortunate as such a dataset may be quite valuable on both aspects (day-to-day and spatial variability, and long-term evolutions). I would not ask for properly validating the long-term behaviour of the dataset, as we all know that this is perhaps the most difficult task when dealing with highly evolving network measurements and quality. However, some insights about the long-term evolution of Swiss climate as reconstructed in this dataset would be highly appreciated, and would probably bring more information on the dataset quality, notably on its temporal homogeneity across the three main periods.
- The method developed here is accurately detailed in the data and methods section. However, it involves such a large number of steps (detrending, bias-correction, resampling, etc.), that at the end of the day, the reader is not sure anymore on the path followed by the original data. I am unsure on how this could be even more clarified in the manuscript. Maybe a schematic?.
- I appreciate the effort made in taking account of precipitation occurrence observations, notably through the Gower distance. On the precipitation topic, I was wondering whether assimilation of precipitation (and precipitation occurrence) have been tested here instead of the quantile mapping step.
Specific comments
- L220-222: Isn’t it a source for non homogeneity in time?
- L280-281 and Fig. 4: It is not that clear if the analogy is made on these different subsets of stations (networks) for this cross-validation exercise and then applied on the whole Swiss domain (I guess this is the case). Please clarify this.
- L376-382: Figure 6 should be referred to here.
Technical corrections
- L217: “the partial distance of is” → “the partial distance is”
References
Devers, A., Vidal, J.-P., Lauvernet, C. & Vannier, O.: FYRE Climate: A high-resolution reanalysis of daily precipitation and temperature in France from 1871 to 2012, Clim. Past, 2021, 17, 1857–1879, https://10.5194/cp-17-1857-2021, 2021
Pfister, L., Brönnimann, S., Schwander, M., Isotta, F. A., Horton, P., and Rohr, C.: Statistical reconstruction of daily precipitation and temperature fields in Switzerland back to 1864, Clim. Past, 16, 663–678, https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-16-663-2020, 2020
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/egusphere-2022-1140-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Imfeld Noemi, 18 Jan 2023
Thank you for the review. You can find our answers below the comments.
Main comments
Data assimilation is made here at the daily time step, in order to correctly represent day-to-day variations in temperature. Devers et al. (2021) showed that this is however not sufficient to guarantee the right longer-term (annual to multi-decadal) anomalies. More generally, this manuscript – along with the previous one – does not engage in any long-term assessment of the long-term datasets, i.e. an assessment of long-term variability and climate. This is in my view quite unfortunate as such a dataset may be quite valuable on both aspects (day-to-day and spatial variability, and long-term evolutions). I would not ask for properly validating the long-term behaviour of the dataset, as we all know that this is perhaps the most difficult task when dealing with highly evolving network measurements and quality. However, some insights about the long-term evolution of Swiss climate as reconstructed in this dataset would be highly appreciated, and would probably bring more information on the dataset quality, notably on its temporal homogeneity across the three main periods.
Thank you for this comment. We will add a chapter in section 4 where we show and discuss the long-term evolution of the Swiss climate as reconstructed in our data set and compare it to other data set, e.g. the Swiss mean monthly temperature fields (since 1864) and the two data sets EKF400 and Casty, which are also used in Fig. 7.
The method developed here is accurately detailed in the data and methods section. However, it involves such a large number of steps (detrending, bias-correction, resampling, etc.), that at the end of the day, the reader is not sure anymore on the path followed by the original data. I am unsure on how this could be even more clarified in the manuscript. Maybe a schematic?
We will add as a new Figure 2 a schematic that describes the reconstruction procedure. You can find a draft of the schematic in the attachment of the reply.
I appreciate the effort made in taking account of precipitation occurrence observations, notably through the Gower distance. On the precipitation topic, I was wondering whether assimilation of precipitation (and precipitation occurrence) have been tested here instead of the quantile mapping step.
We did not assimilate precipitation data (as s done in Devers et al. 2021) due to the low amount of precipitation observations available in the historical period before 1864, which is the main focus of the manuscript. However, data assimilation could improve the reconstruction from 1864 to 1960, when more measurements are available.
Specific comments
- L220-222: Isn’t it a source for non homogeneity in time?
Using the Gower distance and RMSE for the period after 1864, did not lead to substantial differences in the reconstructions. The main source of inhomogeneity in the data set stems from the temporal changes in the station network. Break points for individual locations are indeed detected at time steps for which the network changes considerably.
- L280-281 and Fig. 4: It is not that clear if the analogy is made on these different subsets of stations (networks) for this cross-validation exercise and then applied on the whole Swiss domain (I guess this is the case). Please clarify this.
Cross-validation is performed for the networks with different station densities to demonstrate the change in the skill of the reconstructions for different time periods. The entire reconstruction is run on all available data. We will clarify this sentence.
- L376-382: Figure 6 should be referred to here.
Thank you, we will add this. The reference to Figure 6 was missing.
Technical corrections
- L217: “the partial distance of is” → “the partial distance is”
Thank you, we will correct this sentence.
References:
Devers, A., Vidal, J. P., Lauvernet, C., & Vannier, O. (2021). FYRE Climate: a high-resolution reanalysis of daily precipitation and temperature in France from 1871 to 2012. Climate of the Past, 17(5), 1857-1879.
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Daily high-resolution temperature and precipitation fields for Switzerland from 1763 to 2020 Imfeld, Noemi http://giub-torrent.unibe.ch/swiss_reconstruction/
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